Military thread....

HyenaKilla · May 2012

Army Vet here
Former 31U/25U Commo Specialist
Did 5 years and 2 OIF Deployments in Baghdad, Kirkuk, Mosul, Tikrit
Ft. Benning, Ft. Gordon, Weisbaden Army Airbase (Germany), Ft. Knox.

Glad I'm out that cluster fuck & enjoying the liberties of an average citizen.

HyenaKilla · May 2012

Knives Amilli wrote: »

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

any of y'all in the air force? i've been wanting to join but i always said i was gonna wait til i graduated so i could go in & get that officer paper. but as of right now school just feels like a chore & i'm thinkin about joining sooner rather than later.

how different is being an officer (besides the pay) than a regular enlisted person in terms of opportunities & overall experience?

Enlisted here.....

As far as being an officer, you would be host to a whole different life and set of responsibilities than enlisted. As a butterbar (2nd LT.) your really just a glorified coffee maker and will mostly be caught up in paperwork shuffles and learning under the field grade officers/nco's and senior enlisted. Its not until you make Captain is when you would hold a job title of high leadership and responsibility within your squadron/element/flight and after that you better hope you are in a in demand career field cuz its a bitch making Major, LTC. and Col. and you'll have to take on shitty duties, details, (such as being a commander in aetc which sucks) and/or cross over to in demand career fields to keep getting promoted (officers can't coast in a slot/rank as long as enlisted can and are expected to take on any position of leadership that comes their way).

And most importantly, as an officer there is the big deal made about holding yourself to a higher standard and always being professional....

But yo ima tell you right now, come in as an officer because its very difficult to finish school as active enlisted. And also come in with an in demand degree like engineering, medical, IT, things of that nature.

Disagree with bolded. 1LTs' on line units are really respected & highly responsible as squad leaders more than CPTs' in pogue units

HyenaKilla · May 2012

Knives Amilli wrote: »

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

any of y'all in the air force? i've been wanting to join but i always said i was gonna wait til i graduated so i could go in & get that officer paper. but as of right now school just feels like a chore & i'm thinkin about joining sooner rather than later.

how different is being an officer (besides the pay) than a regular enlisted person in terms of opportunities & overall experience?

Enlisted here.....

As far as being an officer, you would be host to a whole different life and set of responsibilities than enlisted. As a butterbar (2nd LT.) your really just a glorified coffee maker and will mostly be caught up in paperwork shuffles and learning under the field grade officers/nco's and senior enlisted.Its not until you make Captain is when you would hold a job title of high leadership and responsibility within your squadron/element/flight and after that you better hope you are in a in demand career field cuz its a bitch making Major, LTC. and Col. and you'll have to take on shitty duties, details, (such as being a commander in aetc which sucks) and/or cross over to in demand career fields to keep getting promoted (officers can't coast in a slot/rank as long as enlisted can and are expected to take on any position of leadership that comes their way).

And most importantly, as an officer there is the big deal made about holding yourself to a higher standard and always being professional....

But yo ima tell you right now, come in as an officer because its very difficult to finish school as active enlisted. And also come in with an in demand degree like engineering, medical, IT, things of that nature.

Disagree with bolded,1LTs'on line units are really respected & highly responsible as squad leaders, & even more than CPTs' in pogue units

pennyda1 · May 2012

caddo man wrote: »

pennyda1 wrote: »

who in here tried to get a job doing the same thing they did in the service???

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

who you tellin ihate the fact that the military dont set you up for success in that regard.. all those quals i got in the navy didnt mean nothin in the civikian world

Knives Amilli · May 2012

HyenaKilla wrote: »

Knives Amilli wrote: »

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

any of y'all in the air force? i've been wanting to join but i always said i was gonna wait til i graduated so i could go in & get that officer paper. but as of right now school just feels like a chore & i'm thinkin about joining sooner rather than later.

how different is being an officer (besides the pay) than a regular enlisted person in terms of opportunities & overall experience?

Enlisted here.....

As far as being an officer, you would be host to a whole different life and set of responsibilities than enlisted. As a butterbar (2nd LT.) your really just a glorified coffee maker and will mostly be caught up in paperwork shuffles and learning under the field grade officers/nco's and senior enlisted. Its not until you make Captain is when you would hold a job title of high leadership and responsibility within your squadron/element/flight and after that you better hope you are in a in demand career field cuz its a bitch making Major, LTC. and Col. and you'll have to take on shitty duties, details, (such as being a commander in aetc which sucks) and/or cross over to in demand career fields to keep getting promoted (officers can't coast in a slot/rank as long as enlisted can and are expected to take on any position of leadership that comes their way).

And most importantly, as an officer there is the big deal made about holding yourself to a higher standard and always being professional....

But yo ima tell you right now, come in as an officer because its very difficult to finish school as active enlisted. And also come in with an in demand degree like engineering, medical, IT, things of that nature.

Disagree with bolded. 1LTs' on line units are really respected & highly responsible as squad leaders more than CPTs' in pogue units

Shieett nigga you army....y'all niggas be having 2LT's as company commanders lol niggas earn their commission in the Army that cannot be overstated....

caddo man · May 2012

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

so is it just the way the civilian work force is (everything needing a degree or some type of certification) why it's so hard for ex-military folk to get jobs?

Well the real problem is when you are in the military and you are not actively looking for a job. It is hard to keep up with what the civilian folks are looking for. You are worried about having your quals to advance.

pennyda1 wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

pennyda1 wrote: »

who in here tried to get a job doing the same thing they did in the service???

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

who you tellin ihate the fact that the military dont set you up for success in that regard.. all those quals i got in the navy didnt mean nothin in the civikian world

When people say pick your rate pick your fate. Was not lying!

king hassan · May 2012

pennyda1 wrote: »

who in here tried to get a job doing the same thing they did in the service???

I was a SK so I got a job in "Procurement/Purchasing" But I'm not in that field anymore

Roster Player #99 · May 2012

While Civil Engineering is cool....Im persuing a degrees in mechanical engineering because of a job opportunity I will have available to me. But my plan is to stay in, but Im only a year and a half in, but I was told to never stop lining up your options. The goal once you get in is either to stay in, or set yourself up for when you get out. A lot of people stay in because they have to, and thats the worse thing you can do in the military because you'll be in for years and nothing to really show for it. Thats why self improvement is being heavily pushed because people used the mil. as a scapegoat and get lazy.

My advice would be to get as much education as possible in a viable career field, job related or not. If it is job related, at least check the outlook of that career field and make sure it has a little potential for when you get out.

pennyda1 · May 2012

caddo man wrote: »

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

so is it just the way the civilian work force is (everything needing a degree or some type of certification) why it's so hard for ex-military folk to get jobs?

Well the real problem is when you are in the military and you are not actively looking for a job. It is hard to keep up with what the civilian folks are looking for. You are worried about having your quals to advance.

pennyda1 wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

pennyda1 wrote: »

who in here tried to get a job doing the same thing they did in the service???

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

who you tellin ihate the fact that the military dont set you up for success in that regard.. all those quals i got in the navy didnt mean nothin in the civikian world

When people say pick your rate pick your fate. Was not lying!

AMEN TO THAT...LOL HALF THE RATES YOU PICK DNT MEAN ANYTHING TO CIVILIAN LIFE

DaCaliKing · May 2012

man i still can't get into any branch over a bullshit misdemeanor marijuana possession charge..

But watch when north korea and iran pop off they'll be practically trying to draft mf's

Knives Amilli · May 2012

DaCaliKing wrote: »

man i still can't get into any branch over a bullshit misdemeanor marijuana possession charge..

But watch when north korea and iran pop off they'll be practically trying to draft mf's

Not even the army brah?

My advice? Try to go Army guard or Army reserve then integrate into active duty. I'm not sure about the Reserves, but the Guard is less strict on signing off on wavers to let people in, even in todays military climate. However, the Reserves has the higher chance of integrating into Active Duty, the Guard less so (granted im talking from an Air Guard perspective so consider the source...).

CottonCitySlim · May 2012

The military especially the army upped stardards to get in when the recession hit because people were in need so they can go back to getting quality over quantity. Shit aint like when i joined in 03 when they couldnt get people..shit they kicking problem child niggas out. Broke injured fucks too.

Shit i remeber people failing drug test and dui's but because we needed bodies they were keeping those problem childs...not anymore. They focused on cutting out alledged gang members

Knives Amilli · June 2012

Sew on e4 on the 1st....ive been due for it since November (I think) but holy shit does the Air Guard slack on promoting...really the AF period cuz it seems like i'm one of the few from my basic flight who made E4 already and a lot of those dudes had MONTHS on me in terms of tis and tig. Really only good thing about this is i can put in my officer packet once I get my degree....

Knives Amilli · June 2012

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

so is it just the way the civilian work force is (everything needing a degree or some type of certification) why it's so hard for ex-military folk to get jobs?

In the military, niggas will gas you up saying that all these certs/job skills and knowledge your obtaining will cross over into the civilian world....But thats only half the story...the shit you learn in the military is either basic level skills/knowledge foundation over in civilian world or is too specific.

For example, The AF divides the respective systems of the aircraft into separate job fields (i for example work fuel systems, my brother for example works engines in active duty). Sounds great until you realize that if you want to find work over in civilian life, you need to know how to work on the ENTIRE aircraft to be an attractive prospect (companies can't afford to have as huge a workforce as the AF so instead of having 5 separate career fields to fix one plane, just have 1 guy know how to do it all).

This is why Crew Chiefs (who have general knowledge of all the systems of a plane) and E&E/Power Plant guys (the hardest maintenance job to learn, period) typically have the best luck with finding jobs after their service, maintenance wise at least.

caddo man · June 2012

Now one place that is a gold mine for civilian jobs is IT. the reason is IT is all is a huge field of different jobs but When you learn the basics at lest you are ready to work day one. A computer is a computer. It doesnt change. Programming is the only field where military doesnt have a inside track and that is changing sooner than later.

blakfyahking · June 2012

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Knives Amilli wrote: »

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

so is it just the way the civilian work force is (everything needing a degree or some type of certification) why it's so hard for ex-military folk to get jobs?

In the military, niggas will gas you up saying that all these certs/job skills and knowledge your obtaining will cross over into the civilian world....But thats only half the story...the shit you learn in the military is either basic level skills/knowledge foundation over in civilian world or is too specific.

For example, The AF divides the respective systems of the aircraft into separate job fields (i for example work fuel systems, my brother for example works engines in active duty). Sounds great until you realize that if you want to find work over in civilian life, you need to know how to work on the ENTIRE aircraft to be an attractive prospect (companies can't afford to have as huge a workforce as the AF so instead of having 5 separate career fields to fix one plane, just have 1 guy know how to do it all).

This is why Crew Chiefs (who have general knowledge of all the systems of a plane) and E&E/Power Plant guys (the hardest maintenance job to learn, period) typically have the best luck with finding jobs after their service, maintenance wise at least.

not really..........especially in Federal Service

the problem with Federal service is that they purposely discriminate against enlisted folks because of the culture of the organization

you'll find that many civil service jobs are run based on an informal ranking system SMH

Knives Amilli · June 2012

blakfyahking wrote: »

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Knives Amilli wrote: »

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

so is it just the way the civilian work force is (everything needing a degree or some type of certification) why it's so hard for ex-military folk to get jobs?

In the military, niggas will gas you up saying that all these certs/job skills and knowledge your obtaining will cross over into the civilian world....But thats only half the story...the shit you learn in the military is either basic level skills/knowledge foundation over in civilian world or is too specific.

For example, The AF divides the respective systems of the aircraft into separate job fields (i for example work fuel systems, my brother for example works engines in active duty). Sounds great until you realize that if you want to find work over in civilian life, you need to know how to work on the ENTIRE aircraft to be an attractive prospect (companies can't afford to have as huge a workforce as the AF so instead of having 5 separate career fields to fix one plane, just have 1 guy know how to do it all).

This is why Crew Chiefs (who have general knowledge of all the systems of a plane) and E&E/Power Plant guys (the hardest maintenance job to learn, period) typically have the best luck with finding jobs after their service, maintenance wise at least.

not really..........especially in Federal Service

the problem with Federal service is that they purposely discriminate against enlisted folks because of the culture of the organization

you'll find that many civil service jobs are run based on an informal ranking system SMH

Ive heard that before. Really right now its bad for vets. A huge number of people have gotten out/are getting out/ are getting kicked out and we're already in a bad time for jobs. Its not even just enlisted either. My best friends pops is a retired Major, was highly decorated and respected while he was in, did all 3 (warrant, enlisted, and commissioned) and he can't find a job that pays him what he should earn. ITs a mix of hate (who's gonna hire someone more qualified than they are?), politics (kissing the right ass when its time for you to get out) and prolly some racism (he's a rican..yet these white officers aren't having no prob. getting a job after their time served)

I guess i can only speak from the AF side brah, particularly maintenance...cuz you really have to grind while your in to get a good wage when you get out. My shop chief is constantly stressing for us to get our A&P License (civilian cert to work on all systems of the aircraft) cuz he knows that maintenance gets screwed over when we get out.

blakfyahking · June 2012

Knives Amilli wrote: »

blakfyahking wrote: »

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Knives Amilli wrote: »

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

so is it just the way the civilian work force is (everything needing a degree or some type of certification) why it's so hard for ex-military folk to get jobs?

In the military, niggas will gas you up saying that all these certs/job skills and knowledge your obtaining will cross over into the civilian world....But thats only half the story...the shit you learn in the military is either basic level skills/knowledge foundation over in civilian world or is too specific.

For example, The AF divides the respective systems of the aircraft into separate job fields (i for example work fuel systems, my brother for example works engines in active duty). Sounds great until you realize that if you want to find work over in civilian life, you need to know how to work on the ENTIRE aircraft to be an attractive prospect (companies can't afford to have as huge a workforce as the AF so instead of having 5 separate career fields to fix one plane, just have 1 guy know how to do it all).

This is why Crew Chiefs (who have general knowledge of all the systems of a plane) and E&E/Power Plant guys (the hardest maintenance job to learn, period) typically have the best luck with finding jobs after their service, maintenance wise at least.

not really..........especially in Federal Service

the problem with Federal service is that they purposely discriminate against enlisted folks because of the culture of the organization

you'll find that many civil service jobs are run based on an informal ranking system SMH

Ive heard that before. Really right now its bad for vets. A huge number of people have gotten out/are getting out/ are getting kicked out and we're already in a bad time for jobs. Its not even just enlisted either. My best friends pops is a retired Major, was highly decorated and respected while he was in, did all 3 (warrant, enlisted, and commissioned) and he can't find a job that pays him what he should earn. ITs a mix of hate (who's gonna hire someone more qualified than they are?), politics (kissing the right ass when its time for you to get out) and prolly some racism (he's a rican..yet these white officers aren't having no prob. getting a job after their time served)

I guess i can only speak from the AF side brah, particularly maintenance...cuz you really have to grind while your in to get a good wage when you get out. My shop chief is constantly stressing for us to get our A&P License (civilian cert to work on all systems of the aircraft) cuz he knows that maintenance gets screwed over when we get out.

well actually it's a violation of Title V for civil service to discriminate against you because of your military service

I'm actually dealing with a case like this now

I'm considering creating an organization to help Vets with issues like this cause civil service is a dirty game

it's an officer wives click

and the only way you get in is if you already know the manager that is hiring

and unfortunately for all taxpayers, we get screwed because cronies are getting those jobs vs people who are really qualified

Knives Amilli · June 2012

blakfyahking wrote: »

Knives Amilli wrote: »

blakfyahking wrote: »

[

Knives Amilli wrote: »

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

so is it just the way the civilian work force is (everything needing a degree or some type of certification) why it's so hard for ex-military folk to get jobs?

In the military, niggas will gas you up saying that all these certs/job skills and knowledge your obtaining will cross over into the civilian world....But thats only half the story...the shit you learn in the military is either basic level skills/knowledge foundation over in civilian world or is too specific.

For example, The AF divides the respective systems of the aircraft into separate job fields (i for example work fuel systems, my brother for example works engines in active duty). Sounds great until you realize that if you want to find work over in civilian life, you need to know how to work on the ENTIRE aircraft to be an attractive prospect (companies can't afford to have as huge a workforce as the AF so instead of having 5 separate career fields to fix one plane, just have 1 guy know how to do it all).

This is why Crew Chiefs (who have general knowledge of all the systems of a plane) and E&E/Power Plant guys (the hardest maintenance job to learn, period) typically have the best luck with finding jobs after their service, maintenance wise at least.

not really..........especially in Federal Service

the problem with Federal service is that they purposely discriminate against enlisted folks because of the culture of the organization

you'll find that many civil service jobs are run based on an informal ranking system SMH

Ive heard that before. Really right now its bad for vets. A huge number of people have gotten out/are getting out/ are getting kicked out and we're already in a bad time for jobs. Its not even just enlisted either. My best friends pops is a retired Major, was highly decorated and respected while he was in, did all 3 (warrant, enlisted, and commissioned) and he can't find a job that pays him what he should earn. ITs a mix of hate (who's gonna hire someone more qualified than they are?), politics (kissing the right ass when its time for you to get out) and prolly some racism (he's a rican..yet these white officers aren't having no prob. getting a job after their time served)

I guess i can only speak from the AF side brah, particularly maintenance...cuz you really have to grind while your in to get a good wage when you get out. My shop chief is constantly stressing for us to get our A&P License (civilian cert to work on all systems of the aircraft) cuz he knows that maintenance gets screwed over when we get out.

well actually it's a violation of Title V for civil service to discriminate against you because of your military service

I'm actually dealing with a case like this now

I'm considering creating an organization to help Vets with issues like this cause civil service is a dirty game

it's an officer wives click

and the only way you get in is if you already know the manager that is hiring

and unfortunately for all taxpayers, we get screwed because cronies are getting those jobs vs people who are really qualified

The bolded, in a nutshell is whats happening here in KY.

The Army's HRC moved here from VA and brought an assload of civilian jobs...but you gotta be a cocksucker to get in.

My boys dad had a fucking recommendation (on top of his prestigious record of service) from a Lt.Col who worked at the Pentagon and had a date to start and everything....but the phone calls stopped coming right when he was about to start....politics mane...

blakfyahking · June 2012

Knives Amilli wrote: »

blakfyahking wrote: »

Knives Amilli wrote: »

blakfyahking wrote: »

[

Knives Amilli wrote: »

atribecalledgabi wrote: »

caddo man wrote: »

Me and that shit is hard. I did logistics and procurement. I am now being able to get some interviews but only after getting my MBA. Everything require a cert of some kind.

so is it just the way the civilian work force is (everything needing a degree or some type of certification) why it's so hard for ex-military folk to get jobs?

In the military, niggas will gas you up saying that all these certs/job skills and knowledge your obtaining will cross over into the civilian world....But thats only half the story...the shit you learn in the military is either basic level skills/knowledge foundation over in civilian world or is too specific.

For example, The AF divides the respective systems of the aircraft into separate job fields (i for example work fuel systems, my brother for example works engines in active duty). Sounds great until you realize that if you want to find work over in civilian life, you need to know how to work on the ENTIRE aircraft to be an attractive prospect (companies can't afford to have as huge a workforce as the AF so instead of having 5 separate career fields to fix one plane, just have 1 guy know how to do it all).

This is why Crew Chiefs (who have general knowledge of all the systems of a plane) and E&E/Power Plant guys (the hardest maintenance job to learn, period) typically have the best luck with finding jobs after their service, maintenance wise at least.

not really..........especially in Federal Service

the problem with Federal service is that they purposely discriminate against enlisted folks because of the culture of the organization

you'll find that many civil service jobs are run based on an informal ranking system SMH

Ive heard that before. Really right now its bad for vets. A huge number of people have gotten out/are getting out/ are getting kicked out and we're already in a bad time for jobs. Its not even just enlisted either. My best friends pops is a retired Major, was highly decorated and respected while he was in, did all 3 (warrant, enlisted, and commissioned) and he can't find a job that pays him what he should earn. ITs a mix of hate (who's gonna hire someone more qualified than they are?), politics (kissing the right ass when its time for you to get out) and prolly some racism (he's a rican..yet these white officers aren't having no prob. getting a job after their time served)

I guess i can only speak from the AF side brah, particularly maintenance...cuz you really have to grind while your in to get a good wage when you get out. My shop chief is constantly stressing for us to get our A&P License (civilian cert to work on all systems of the aircraft) cuz he knows that maintenance gets screwed over when we get out.

well actually it's a violation of Title V for civil service to discriminate against you because of your military service

I'm actually dealing with a case like this now

I'm considering creating an organization to help Vets with issues like this cause civil service is a dirty game

it's an officer wives click

and the only way you get in is if you already know the manager that is hiring

and unfortunately for all taxpayers, we get screwed because cronies are getting those jobs vs people who are really qualified

The bolded, in a nutshell is whats happening here in KY.

The Army's HRC moved here from VA and brought an assload of civilian jobs...but you gotta be a cocksucker to get in.

My boys dad had a fucking recommendation (on top of his prestigious record of service) from a Lt.Col who worked at the Pentagon and had a date to start and everything....but the phone calls stopped coming right when he was about to start....politics mane...

yeah it's def more to that story than you probably know

but the whole issue is endemic across civil service

the whole process is flawed and encourages cronyism and incompetence

if the average person found out exactly what happens behind closed doors there would riots at federal facilities

it's a lot of money going thru these civil services goons' fingers LOL

CottonCitySlim · June 2012

This reminds me, if your a vet and your a recent grad or will graduate in the next 4 years within the IT field, OPM is gaurunteeing you a job, . Couple programs out there one if scholahips for service, another is a program started by obama you graduate you into get a gov job non competative at gs 5 and gs 7 for those who grad with honors.

Also paided interships who want to work while in school so you can transition over after graduations

caddo man · June 2012

MobTown wrote: »

This reminds me, if your a vet and your a recent grad or will graduate in the next 4 years within the IT field, OPM is gaurunteeing you a job, . Couple programs out there one if scholahips for service, another is a program started by obama you graduate you into get a gov job non competative at gs 5 and gs 7 for those who grad with honors.

Also paided interships who want to work while in school so you can transition over after graduations

please elaborate!!!!!!!!

CottonCitySlim · June 2012

On which one? The gaunrunteed job one?

caddo man · June 2012

MobTown wrote: »

On which one? The gaunrunteed job one?

Yes the guaranteed IT part to be specific

CottonCitySlim · June 2012

The program goes like this

If your a vet and you just graduated or will graduate in 4 years with a degree in the IT field, right now you are guaranteed a job within the goverment if you use the program opm started last year.

This applies to paided internships too.

I will look through my old emails and drop some info since opm took down the multiple pages and are redoing the pages cause now all is up is a damn pdf that says comming soon.

You can thank obama for pushing for these 2 programs, remember he was trying to get more vets in the goverment especially college grads

This was only one i can find i know others exist they change the website too much

http://www.opm.gov/hiringreform/pathways/

Fedshirevets.gov

AllHipHop.com

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