Legit Reason's to why Eminem is not top 10 Material.........

Law Trafalgar · May 2012

Did this nigga say mmlp is a fucking classic? Do you honestly sit down at home and listen to kim? If so, you're one weird mutha fucka.

nujerz84 · May 2012

SuperstarCole wrote: »

Did this nigga say mmlp is a fucking classic? Do you honestly sit down at home and listen to kim? If so, you're one weird mutha fucka.

Lyrically it was on point and it tells a story done in one take...musically or lyrically there nothing wrong with track..

Kwan Dai · May 2012

nujerz84 wrote: »

Every Race places there own on higher pedestals...thats no surprise and media especially does as well when shit is not the norm

Are you saying Em is the beneficiary of a Biased White Media? Thus him being placed above Black\Latino artists?

nujerz84 · May 2012

Kwan Dai wrote: »

nujerz84 wrote: »

Every Race places there own on higher pedestals...thats no surprise and media especially does as well when shit is not the norm

Are you saying Em is the beneficiary of a Biased White Media? Thus him being placed above Black\Latino artists?

In instances yes but my point is media also overrrated people of all races that are not the norm...more so in sports than music but black media also overrates there own artist as well. All races do.

H-Rap 180 · May 2012

ghost! wrote: »

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

First off let me share my current top 20:

1.) Nassir
2.) Tupac
3.) Rakim
4.) Ice Cube
5.) Andre 3000
6.) Scarface
7.) Big Daddy Kane
8.) LL Cool J
9.) JayZ
10.) Black Thought
11.) Ghostface Killah
12.) KRS-One
15.) Big Pun
16.) Notorious B.I.G
17.) Common
18.) Slick Rick
19.) Snoop Dogg
20.) Kool G Rap

I guess if you are from a foreign culture or community instead of the culture and community that HipHop was born out of you might actually have Emenim in your Top 10, I was born and baptized in the culture and I doubt if he's even in my Top 200.

Rappers like Q-Tip, Mos Def, Chuck D, & Gza get lost in the shuffle a lot of times by people who seem to only listen to the artists associated with Shady records.

People forget about M.C Lyte, Lauryn Hill & Queen Latifah but I have them ranked over Emenim.

Jadakiss, Fabolous, Raekwon, T.I., Kurrupt, Big Boi: people tend to forget them also.

And how could we forget about Melle Mell?

I think people are just joking-around and being sarcastic, you wouldn't seriously have Emenim on a Top 10 list would you?

first and foremost, i was born in that same culture, and so was his peers and they have him in their top 10...u spit a post that is base off YOUR OPINION. Nothing that is universal a fact but an opinion you share with the trolls like yourself on this matter.

never will you ever comment on the fact that katz like krs one, rakim have co-sign him, jay z, nas, black though, cosign him, and multiple emcees on your list have worked with him...so the fact these people you consider for your list....you're saying you like them, you like their judgement and taste in their music and how they respect themselves with this culture, cuz after all it's your list..and given that you like their music...they in turn have said to like the music of the same white boy you contantly down play...so

that says alot about your opinion being just that your opinion, and really doesnt matter overall cuz your just stuck to a hip hop form, you're not a journalist, or well known by anyone

and alot of times your post are filled with bias opinions...so take your post and that of your counterpart trolls with a grain of salt.

A lot of emotions and feelings over my "OPINION" <-- in all-caps of course.

Forgive me if I'm as unfamiliar with your posts as you are familiar with mine, many posters don't stand out or inspire me to follow their posts even the overly sensitive "trolls" such as your self who are non-journalists and virtually unknown entities.

Some of these posters remind you how brilliant it was for Emenim to create the song "Stan" about his male admirers.

If I was a rapper and my livelihood was based on fickle consumers I would co-sign Emenim on cue and beam with pride while my co-signs were regurgitated verbatim by his legion of Stans on rap forums....good promo.

The video were Rakim so-called co-signed Emenim has been posted at least 999 times on this forum and been used excessively by his groupies to supposedly indicate his peer respect.

....however if I'm Rakim, Ice Cube, Nas, KRS, Common, Black Thought etc Im not going to do a song with him not when we can have:

Rakim, Nas, Kanye West, & KRS-One collab on a track like "Classic"

Nas & Common on "Ghetto Dreams"

Ice Cube & Chuck D on "Burn Hollywood Burn"

People tend to underate Pharoah Monch and Beanie Sigel in favor of the gimmicky POP-rappers but people with high
HipHop IQ's recognize the non-commercial emcee's who get overlooked by onlookers on the outside looking in.

DaBull · May 2012

CainMarko wrote: »

illmatic
Ready to Die
Reasonable Doubt
Amerikkas Most Wanted
Doe or Die
Paid in Full
Whut the Album
Long Live The Kane
Me Against The World
Criminal Minded

All classics that cant be argued about

add Get Rich or Die trying and Its Dark and hell is hot

ROZAYTABERNACLE · May 2012

lmao em stans kill me. they could argue all day and night about how he's "real", "relates to people" and "sings melodic hooks". If em was really such a top 10 rapper how did he get killed by royce on every track from bad meets evil?

H-Rap 180 · May 2012

nujerz84 wrote: »

Kwan Dai wrote: »

nujerz84 wrote: »

Every Race places there own on higher pedestals...thats no surprise and media especially does as well when shit is not the norm

Are you saying Em is the beneficiary of a Biased White Media? Thus him being placed above Black\Latino artists?

In instances yes but my point is media also overrrated people of all races that are not the norm...more so in sports than music but black media also overrates there own artist as well. All races do.

^^^^WTF? Black media? You mean that raggedy network B.E.T owned by the white media company Viacom?

...or the Vibe magazine owned by a white company called Intermedia who called Emenim the best rapper alive on their cover?

The white-owned magazine Rolling Stone put out a magazine calling Emenim the "King of HipHop".

White media bias is a reality, your NY Post is calling JayZ's basketball team the NY-ni99ers and blaming his behavior on HipHop so let's not even feign ignorance as if so-called Black media has the reach, or power of influence to overate any entertainer or athlete.....shit all we can do is try to balance the bias.

nujerz84 · May 2012

hip-hopisalive wrote: »

lmao em stans kill me. they could argue all day and night about how he's "real", "relates to people" and "sings melodic hooks". If em was really such a top 10 rapper how did he get killed by royce on every track from bad meets evil?

LOL @ U quoting Shadyteam...Royce is far from wack. and it again its opinion..same could be said how Jay-z get killed by Kanye West on Watch the Throne.which to me is a worse getting out rapped by a dude who has ghostwriters than being outrhymed by Royce..

ghost! · May 2012

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

A lot of emotions and feelings over my "OPINION" <
in all-caps of course.

Forgive me if I'm as unfamiliar with your posts as you are familiar with mine, many posters don't stand out or inspire me to follow their posts even the overly sensitive "trolls" such as your self who are non-journalists and virtually unknown entities.

my "emotions" goes no further then replying to a posters post, I'm pretty sure I not upset in anyway. and how often does the term "emotions" gets used just because someone objects to ones post...really please be original if you wanna come off like you have any intelligence to speak or post or debate with another poster. and it really doesnt matter if you know me, or dont know me or be familiar with whatever. that's besides the point..and it's not hard to read the pattern of a troll. You can see that on any form on the internet...and it's definiately not hard to know a poster when they post as much as you do....really not hard..i see you can not survive without posting on a message boards...and trying to be known on a message board is not my claim.i see you want to wear it with a badge of honor...

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

Some of these posters remind you how brilliant it was for Emenim to create the song "Stan" about his male admirers.

If I was a rapper and my livelihood was based on fickle consumers I would co-sign Emenim on cue and beam with pride while my co-sign were regurgitated verbatim by his legion of Stans on rap forums....good promo.

The video were Rakim so-called co-signed Emenim has been posted at least 999 times on this forum and been used excessively by his groupies to supposedly indicate his peer respect.

^^ this ironic...because on the opposite side of it, we have his so-called non fans of his, post at least 999 times, his "racists" song, the mutiple benzino videos...you very much fit that bill....excessively to suposedly indicate some type of valid point.

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

....however if I'm Rakim, Ice Cube, Nas, KRS, Common, Black Thought etc Im not going to do a song with him not when we can have:

Rakim, Nas, Kanye West, & KRS-One collab on a track like "Classic"

Nas & Common on "Ghetto Dreams"

Ice Cube & Chuck D on "Burn Hollywood Burn"

ha ha in that rakim, nas, kanye west and & krs-one..who doesnt belong in that group, and "classic" was about friggin sneakers, nothing memorible but something to PROMOTE AND COMMERICALIZE the genre of music and a sneaker....

yeah thats real unforgettable...(sacrasm)

yeah ice cube, who i do like and respect as an artist and loved him during that era...he does a joint called burn hollywood burn..and now he is apart of the same vehicle he was so-call protesting back then....nothing against him at all...just point out how contradicting that is...

ha ha

at naming calling of a artist, and dissing his fan bases counts as "legit" reasons! ha ha

ha ha but please..continue...power to the ppl ha ha

nujerz84 · May 2012

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

nujerz84 wrote: »

Kwan Dai wrote: »

nujerz84 wrote: »

Every Race places there own on higher pedestals...thats no surprise and media especially does as well when shit is not the norm

Are you saying Em is the beneficiary of a Biased White Media? Thus him being placed above Black\Latino artists?

In instances yes but my point is media also overrrated people of all races that are not the norm...more so in sports than music but black media also overrates there own artist as well. All races do.

^^^^WTF? Black media? You mean that raggedy network B.E.T owned by the white media company Viacom?

...or the Vibe magazine owned by a white company called Intermedia who called Emenim the best rapper alive on their cover?

The white-owned magazine Rolling Stone put out a magazine calling Emenim the "King of HipHop".

White media bias is a reality, your NY Post is calling JayZ's basketball team the NY-ni99ers and blaming his behavior on HipHop so let's not even feign ignorance as if so-called Black media has the reach, or power of influence to overate any entertainer or athlete.....shit all we can do is try to balance the bias.

I should been more specific black people.. there is no major black media out to do such things...which goes to my main point people of all races view there own in higher regard compared to other races be it music, sports entertainment for various reasons it is what it is.

U had brothers across the country riding for Magic and the Lakers while White Folks Riding for BIrd and his Celtics... Same Reason U have all this phillipino heads riding so hard for Pac-man or latinos rididng heavy for there boxers etc. ITs the same in music.

H-Rap 180 · May 2012

hip-hopisalive wrote: »

lmao em stans kill me. they could argue all day and night about how he's "real", "relates to people" and "sings melodic hooks". If em was really such a top 10 rapper how did he get killed by royce on every track from bad meets evil?

My brother and close

Kwan Dai wrote: »

ghost! wrote: »

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

First off let me share my current top 20:

1.) Nassir
2.) Tupac
3.) Rakim
4.) Ice Cube
5.) Andre 3000
6.) Scarface
7.) Big Daddy Kane
8.) LL Cool J
9.) JayZ
10.) Black Thought
11.) Ghostface Killah
12.) KRS-One
15.) Big Pun
16.) Notorious B.I.G
17.) Common
18.) Slick Rick
19.) Snoop Dogg
20.) Kool G Rap

I guess if you are from a foreign culture or community instead of the culture and community that HipHop was born out of you might actually have Emenim in your Top 10, I was born and baptized in the culture and I doubt if he's even in my Top 200.

Rappers like Q-Tip, Mos Def, Chuck D, & Gza get lost in the shuffle a lot of times by people who seem to only listen to the artists associated with Shady records.

People forget about M.C Lyte, Lauryn Hill & Queen Latifah but I have them ranked over Emenim.

Jadakiss, Fabolous, Raekwon, T.I., Kurrupt, Big Boi: people tend to forget them also.

And how could we forget about Melle Mell?

I think people are just joking-around and being sarcastic, you wouldn't seriously have Emenim on a Top 10 list would you?

first and foremost, i was born in that same culture, and so was his peers and they have him in their top 10...u spit a post that is base off YOUR OPINION. Nothing that is universal a fact but an opinion you share with the trolls like yourself on this matter.

never will you ever comment on the fact that katz like krs one, rakim have co-sign him, jay z, nas, black though, cosign him, and multiple emcees on your list have worked with him...so the fact these people you consider for your list....you're saying you like them, you like their judgement and taste in their music and how they respect themselves with this culture, cuz after all it's your list..and given that you like their music...they in turn have said to like the music of the same white boy you contantly down play...so

that says alot about your opinion being just that your opinion, and really doesnt matter overall cuz your just stuck to a hip hop form, you're not a journalist, or well known by anyone

and alot of times your post are filled with bias opinions...so take your post and that of your counterpart trolls with a grain of salt.

The thread asks to list legit reasons. Are you saying H-Rap hasn't given valid reasons? If, you are, I think you are being dishonest.

Other artists co-signing Em means squat. They are giving their opinions just like the rest of us.Their opinions aren't greater then the next persons.

With that said, I agree with H-Rap. Calling what you like. Trolling, biased, hating etc. But it's quite easy to exclude Em from any top 10 Hip Hop list that doesn't pertain to an artists popularity or record sales.

Black Thought, Pharaoh Monch, G-Rap, Big Pun, Royce, Elzhi do\did what Em does lyrically and in my opinion do it better. So, keeping Em off of a top 10 Hip Hop list isn't blasphemy, or some cardinal sin. The same way some say people don't like Em cause, he's white. The same holds true for those that push him to heights he doesn't deserve. He's there because, some will say well that White boy can spit.

I tend to gravitate towards art that is an expression of my own culture and community, it's what appeals to me, it's what I relate to and what I enjoy most.

Check it out:

I like to feel my Houston family rap about their Slab culture, the swangers poking out, the boppers, and the Dirty sprite, thems Black folks my extended family sharing their specific culture that's still under the umbrella of our Afrikan-American culture.

I like to feel my NY family rap about that Godbody NGE 5% and them high-rise project buildings

I like to feel my Midwest family rap about them L-trains and the GD's and Folk nation

I like to feel my California family spit that Mack-game, share the latest strains and newest slang.

HipHop music is how we communicate with each other, what we saying, wearing, drinking, smoking, driving, eating, etc etc.

It's like going to a family reunion down south, or up north, or out west it's an expression of culture amongst extended family.

Emenim embraces all the folkways, mores, and norms of a foreign culture and I find him difficult to relate to; the themes of pedophilia, matricide, incest, rape, homosexuality, trailer-parks, pill-abuse and serial-killing are topics that are either taboo or considered unacceptable within HipHop music with a few obscure exceptions.

If you can get past Emenims eurocentric subject matter you have to get past his voice which is irritating and bereft of the normal natural accent that most rappers within the culture have based on region. Their is nothing soulful in his voice.

If you can get past his subject matter and voice then you have to get past his odd behavior, the constant mooning of his buttocks, the cross-dressing, the tea-bag stunts, and the constant bickering with POP artists....his behavior makes his music even less desirable.

If you can get past his words, his voice, and his strange behavior then you are still stuck with the fact that this rapper made racist rap-songs, dissed Lauryn Hill, dissed Mariah Carey and shitted on Michael Jackson during his trial...all while getting rich off of a Black cultural art form.

I listen to too much HipHop to put Emenim in my personal lists but if I was a non-Afrikan American or more europeonized with my cultural leanings I would say Em' is the Goat.

TheEyeronic1 · May 2012

SuperstarCole wrote: »

Did this nigga say mmlp is a fucking classic? Do you honestly sit down at home and listen to kim? If so, you're one weird mutha fucka.

doesnt matter. its STILL a classic album.

i dont listen to Hola Hovito on Blueprint. But guess what, its still a classic album.

yall sound like 4th graders.

nujerz84 · May 2012

TheEyeronic1 wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

Did this nigga say mmlp is a fucking classic? Do you honestly sit down at home and listen to kim? If so, you're one weird mutha fucka.

doesnt matter. its STILL a classic album.

i dont listen to Hola Hovito on Blueprint. But guess what, its still a classic album.

yall sound like 4th graders.

YeahI got Braveheart Party on my Stillmatic Album skip that joint album still a classic.

TheEyeronic1 · May 2012

the only legit reason to not have Eminem in your top ten...is because hes white.

outside of that, the SAME things you guys are saying about Eminem can be said for a LOT of rappers who are in people's top ten (in regards to catalog, ability to relate, etc).

but yall dont see it that way.

TheEyeronic1 · May 2012

nujerz84 wrote: »

TheEyeronic1 wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

Did this nigga say mmlp is a fucking classic? Do you honestly sit down at home and listen to kim? If so, you're one weird mutha fucka.

doesnt matter. its STILL a classic album.

i dont listen to Hola Hovito on Blueprint. But guess what, its still a classic album.

yall sound like 4th graders.

YeahI got Braveheart Party on my Stillmatic Album skip that joint album still a classic.

exactly.

Its stupid to discount an album as being classic because you cant listen to EVERY song without skipping.

CeLLaR-DooR · May 2012

Yo...TS...Honestly, how long ago did this stop bein' an intelligent discussion?

ROZAYTABERNACLE · May 2012

Squall wrote: »

Kim is a classic track no matter what you say or feel. I don't listen to rap to relate.

so why do you listen to rap? to hear music that sounds like it was written while in therapy?

In Your Moms Room · May 2012

Squall wrote: »

Kim is a classic track no matter what you say or feel. I don't listen to rap to relate.

Kim is a dumb as track. You listen to it, you got problems.

icecoldstew · May 2012

Well said @Squall. Music doesn't need to be relateable to enjoy it. I don't relate to 99% of the music I listen to outside of skin color

genocidecutter · May 2012

NothingButTheTruth wrote: »

My answer would be because he's not good enough or in other words, I can easily name 10 better emcees.

Btw, what makes Eminem better than all of the guys before him who have inspired his rap style or rappers with similar styles?

What makes Em better than Royce?

What makes Eminem better than Pharoahe Monch?

What makes Eminem better than Canibus?

What makes Eminem better than Redman?

What makes Eminem better than Masta Ace?

... It's definitely not catalog, because those pop singles Em releases automatically stops any of his albums from being great, let alone classic. (Take any of the universal hip-hop classics and place an Em single on it. That shit would drop at least 1mic.) It's not creativity, because those dudes I named are some of the most creative emcees out there. It's not longevity, because all of those people are still releasing albums to this date. And we all know it's not lyrics, because Em ain't like that with lyrics when speaking from an all-time standpoint, so what is it?

You forgot he bit off Esham's style as well

nujerz84 · May 2012

hip-hopisalive wrote: »

Squall wrote: »

Kim is a classic track no matter what you say or feel. I don't listen to rap to relate.

so why do you listen to rap? to hear music that sounds like it was written while in therapy?

Writing lyrics to express yourself is a form of therapy...reagrdless if its Kim or Lifes a Bitch

...MVP... · May 2012

I never understood the appeal of that damn KIM song. The verses, while do tell a story, sound over the top with his whaling and yelling. Then theres that unorthodox whining chorus. It don't even sound like hip-hop, it sounds like a psycho path on drugs trying to make some screaming hardcore rock song.

buttuh_b · May 2012

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

First off let me share my current top 20:

1.) Nassir
2.) Tupac
3.) Rakim
4.) Ice Cube
5.) Andre 3000
6.) Scarface
7.) Big Daddy Kane
8.) LL Cool J
9.) JayZ
10.) Black Thought
11.) Ghostface Killah
12.) KRS-One
15.) Big Pun
16.) Notorious B.I.G
17.) Common
18.) Slick Rick
19.) Snoop Dogg
20.) Kool G Rap

I guess if you are from a foreign culture or community instead of the culture and community that HipHop was born out of you might actually have Emenim in your Top 10, I was born and baptized in the culture and I doubt if he's even in my Top 200.

Rappers like Q-Tip, Mos Def, Chuck D, & Gza get lost in the shuffle a lot of times by people who seem to only listen to the artists associated with Shady records.

People forget about M.C Lyte, Lauryn Hill & Queen Latifah but I have them ranked over Emenim.

Jadakiss, Fabolous, Raekwon, T.I., Kurrupt, Big Boi: people tend to forget them also.

And how could we forget about Melle Mell?

I think people are just joking-around and being sarcastic, you wouldn't seriously have Emenim on a Top 10 list would you?

Powerful post. I have the same top 3. Similar top 30-40 with placement being interchangeable. Don't see how Eminem belongs close to a top 10 based on music quality.

Sneak Dissa · May 2012

10 reasons:

Nas
Kool G. Rap
KRS 1
Rakim
Big Pun
Boots Riley
Ice Cube
Big Daddy Kane
JuJu from the Beatnuts
Jay-Z

I could keep going but there's plenty of better rappers than him.

If Em is top 10 just off his technical ability than Das Efx must be top 5. If you're going off subject matter... I'd rather listen to a Richard Pryor record to hear some jokes.

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