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Its ill when mc's used to be on cruddy sh*t, took home Ready To Die, listened, study sh*t...

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edited June 2012 in The Reason
now they on some money shit, successful out the blue


Was this line directed only @ 2pac and Nas for All Eyez On Me and It Was Written, or was there a host of rappers who took his formula?

How influential was Ready To Die in the mid 90s in terms of rapper styles after that album dropped?
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  • 5th Letter5th Letter Black Identified Extremist Posts: 36,917 Regulator
    probably a shot at nas
    Fuck who's the baddest a persons status depends on salary
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  • jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Posts: 30,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most likely a shot at Nas. He switched his whole shit up after Ready To Die and Only Built For Cuban Linx came out. 2Pac did go more pop on All Eyes On Me, so maybe he was shooting at him too. But it was definitely a shot at Nas.
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  • AntonLATroyAntonLATroy Posts: 331
    LOL big bit both of them and a buch of other people it is a reverse psych line
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  • SheerExcellenceSheerExcellence I'm Faceless Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    he was really talking about how he was biting this nigga right here

    Sorry Sierra Leone, one day we'll right the wrongs.
  • vslykevslyke Posts: 661 ✭✭✭✭
    Could also be a reference to Jay... after all Jay had been scuffling in the game for years and years until he switched up his style and embraced the same kind of crossover appeal that BIG had... Jay & BIG always had a friendly rivalry. Most likely its a shot at Nas though.
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  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Entertainment/Pop Culture/Media Analyst New York CityPosts: 5,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    I already broke this down on the "Kick In the Door" thread. It was mostly a diss to NaS who switched from Cruddy (ILLmatic) to Money shit (It Was Written). This is why a lot of Eastcoast rappers where hating on Big at the time, he was able to still have Street Cred cause he dropped the gutter joints like "Warning, Who Shot Ya, Unbelievable" and mixed them with club tracks like "One More Chance, Big Poppa etc" So some NYC Rappers just couldn't understand how he had the streets and mainstream on lock. They talked shit and then followed his blueprint. Big=Balance, something Jay and NaS and tons of other rappers learned from.
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  • Idiopathic JokerIdiopathic Joker PISTOL GRIP PUMP IN MY LAP AT ALL TIMES Working On My LowriderPosts: 45,152 Regulator
    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me
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  • Los216Los216 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me

    Yea but Pac had Dre for AEOM so that's part of the reason his sound was different

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  • Idiopathic JokerIdiopathic Joker PISTOL GRIP PUMP IN MY LAP AT ALL TIMES Working On My LowriderPosts: 45,152 Regulator
    Dre did one song on that album. Maybe he did two
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  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Entertainment/Pop Culture/Media Analyst New York CityPosts: 5,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me


    Not a shot at Pac cause it was Puff along with Pac why Big even gave the commercial side of rap a chance. Big was a hip hop head, if it was up to him his whole album would of sounded like Warning. Pac would tell Big to have balance in his songs, this was around the time Pac found a little balance himself after he released "I get around". The only diss Big had against Pac on "Kick in the Door" is when he said his reign on the top was short as he crushed so called "Thugs", that was it. Not a diss to Jay cause he was Big's disciple plus at that point Jay only had "RD" out before Big died.

  • loch121loch121 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    That's kick in the door right?Well Primo made it quit clear that that song was without a doubt about Nas.

    Big was talking to Premier in his rap when he said "Son I'm surprised you run w/ them cuz they nothing but dicks" because Primo fucked w/ Nas too.

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  • yeah i rap so don't yeah i rap so don't Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dre did one song on that album. Maybe he did two


    California Love and Can't C Me


    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me


    Not a shot at Pac cause it was Puff along with Pac why Big even gave the commercial side of rap a chance. Big was a hip hop head, if it was up to him his whole album would of sounded like Warning. Pac would tell Big to have balance in his songs, this was around the time Pac found a little balance himself after he released "I get around". The only diss Big had against Pac on "Kick in the Door" is when he said his reign on the top was short as he crushed so called "Thugs", that was it. Not a diss to Jay cause he was Big's disciple plus at that point Jay only had "RD" out before Big died.

    Lol @ Disciple

    loch121 wrote: »
    That's kick in the door right?Well Primo made it quit clear that that song was without a doubt about Nas.

    Big was talking to Premier in his rap when he said "Son I'm surprised you run w/ them cuz they nothing but dicks" because Primo fucked w/ Nas too.

    That was about Jeru The Damaja
    How many dudes have you really shot
    you rely on muscle memory no wonder you forgot
    how stupid can you be,I'm world class,who you teaching ass
    you got broad shoulders prom queen, carry that
    your top five lists can not be taken seriously (naw)
    when the reaper takes them all seriously (yeah)
    you should have died as one of your moms cramps
    fuck around get your skull turned into boot camp (ha)
    I am not the one who you want to have bothered
    your mom water shouldn't have broke if Moses was your father (hungh)
    I just stepped out the nexus to answer who next is
    what perplexes me is you all know I'm sicker,you disagree
    you iller?, make your move Nomad (damn)
    I got better reflexes than Body Builders
    demolition man, is he stallone,snipes,or the reem
    all you self-centered clowns can't stop the dream (stupid)

    The essence of my pubescence was stick to the lessons
    Keep the substance in the artwork solid,no need for stressin
    Shit, rap smoke and mirrors
    I aint dyin' off the second hand from the reflection of another man
    Not tryin' to hear who you think more clever, it whatever
    Dead at the same time, they toe-to-toe, neck-and-neck forever
    Dexterity is dexter, my pressure is impressing
    Buffalo Bill, but the victims doing the cross-dressing
    You nobodies get piled in the bathtub
    why you think it's called the rest room
    The brand is new, just call it a flesh-wound
    Word is born, who needs a flesh womb
    If I diss you, better just take that
    I coin phrases,Harvey Dent aint got the balls to flip that
    Sergeons need image awards if they save face
    Cave your chest in until Osama and Bruce Wayne could be roommates
    You gassed already, that's what happens when your hate unconditional
    Your favorite rappers is weak, but you virgins use to putting pussy on a pedestal
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  • 209murdamike209murdamike Posts: 557 ✭✭✭
    he was really talking about how he was biting this nigga right here


    this is very similar to biggie (Why)
  • deakinodeakino The Gate CityPosts: 992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still don't think Nas got on that money shit til' I Am.
  • Tommy bilfigerTommy bilfiger Posts: 22,398 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They Lightweight

    Fragilly/My nine milly make the white shake/thats why my money never funny/And you still recoupin stupid

    One of my favorite biggie verses of all time
  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Entertainment/Pop Culture/Media Analyst New York CityPosts: 5,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I broke down all 3 verses of Kick In The Door in this thread:

    http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/4482185
  • Idiopathic JokerIdiopathic Joker PISTOL GRIP PUMP IN MY LAP AT ALL TIMES Working On My LowriderPosts: 45,152 Regulator
    so Shootouts was towards BIG
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  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Entertainment/Pop Culture/Media Analyst New York CityPosts: 5,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    so Shootouts was towards BIG

    I'm saying that Big listened to I.W.W. obviously and he felt that the character Frank in "Shootouts" was a subliminal at him. NaS only admitted he was going at Big on "The Message" but he was sending subliminals at Big on that album.

  • CoolJoeCoolJoe Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How in the fuck was Jay Big's disciple? Explain this, please.
  • loch121loch121 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dre did one song on that album. Maybe he did two


    California Love and Can't C Me


    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me


    Not a shot at Pac cause it was Puff along with Pac why Big even gave the commercial side of rap a chance. Big was a hip hop head, if it was up to him his whole album would of sounded like Warning. Pac would tell Big to have balance in his songs, this was around the time Pac found a little balance himself after he released "I get around". The only diss Big had against Pac on "Kick in the Door" is when he said his reign on the top was short as he crushed so called "Thugs", that was it. Not a diss to Jay cause he was Big's disciple plus at that point Jay only had "RD" out before Big died.

    Lol @ Disciple

    loch121 wrote: »
    That's kick in the door right?Well Primo made it quit clear that that song was without a doubt about Nas.

    Big was talking to Premier in his rap when he said "Son I'm surprised you run w/ them cuz they nothing but dicks" because Primo fucked w/ Nas too.

    That was about Jeru The Damaja

    Not according to Primo.The line before that was Now you on some money shit successful out the blue.Jeru was never on no money shit but, Nas was on It Was Written
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  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Entertainment/Pop Culture/Media Analyst New York CityPosts: 5,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    CoolJoe wrote: »
    How in the fuck was Jay Big's disciple? Explain this, please.

    Big was WAY bigger than Jay when he was alive. They were going to be in the supergroup "The Commission", in that group, Big was Boss not Jay. Big was also the KONY, not Jay. Jay learned from and used Big's album formula's his whole career as well as his lyrics. Jay is Big's Disciple and apart of his family tree. Big's heavy co-sign went a long way in Jay's Career:

    biggie_jayz.jpg

    Big was featured in Jay Z's 1st two videos on his album when not many people knew who he was.




    When performing together, Jay was Big's Hype man.

    The Definition of the word "Disciple": A disciple is a follower and student of a mentor, teacher, or other wise figure.

    Big was that clearly for Jay.
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  • loch121loch121 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    deakino wrote: »
    I still don't think Nas got on that money shit til' I Am.
    IWW is when he Became Escobar and all that and was on some Street Dreams Willy shit
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  • CoolJoeCoolJoe Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CoolJoe wrote: »
    How in the fuck was Jay Big's disciple? Explain this, please.

    Big was WAY bigger than Jay when he was alive. They were going to be in the supergroup "The Commission", in that group, Big was Boss not Jay. Big was also the KONY, not Jay. Jay learned from and used Big's album formula's his whole career as well as his lyrics. Jay is Big's Disciple and apart of his family tree. Big's heavy co-sign went a long way in Jay's Career:

    biggie_jayz.jpg

    Big was featured in Jay Z's 1st two videos on his album when not many people knew who he was.




    When performing together, Jay was Big's Hype man.

    The Definition of the word "Disciple": A disciple is a follower and student of a mentor, teacher, or other wise figure.

    Big was that clearly for Jay.

    Reasonable Doubt was nothing like Ready To Die though......
  • darkraindarkrain Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭
    I remember the interview where XXL had making of Reasonable Doubt and Damon and Biggs and some of Jay-Z's friends didn't want him to put Biggie Small on Brooklyn's Finest song cause they don't want everybody to think Jay-Z is desperate to get Biggie Small cause they wanted Jay-Z to be his own man, etc but Jay-Z still wanted Biggie. I can see why everybody don't want it...funny at the same time with his first album, he wanted Nas on it too on his first album.
  • Idiopathic JokerIdiopathic Joker PISTOL GRIP PUMP IN MY LAP AT ALL TIMES Working On My LowriderPosts: 45,152 Regulator
    Kane birthed both BIG and Jays style
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