Its ill when mc's used to be on cruddy sh*t, took home Ready To Die, listened, study sh*t...

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edited June 2012 in The Reason
now they on some money shit, successful out the blue


Was this line directed only @ 2pac and Nas for All Eyez On Me and It Was Written, or was there a host of rappers who took his formula?

How influential was Ready To Die in the mid 90s in terms of rapper styles after that album dropped?
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  • 5th Letter5th Letter AKA 5th Element Posts: 26,214 Regulator
    probably a shot at nas
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  • jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most likely a shot at Nas. He switched his whole shit up after Ready To Die and Only Built For Cuban Linx came out. 2Pac did go more pop on All Eyes On Me, so maybe he was shooting at him too. But it was definitely a shot at Nas.
  • AntonLATroyAntonLATroy Posts: 331
    LOL big bit both of them and a buch of other people it is a reverse psych line
    pop duke
  • SheerExcellenceSheerExcellence Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭✭✭
    he was really talking about how he was biting this nigga right here

  • vslykevslyke Posts: 661 ✭✭✭✭
    Could also be a reference to Jay... after all Jay had been scuffling in the game for years and years until he switched up his style and embraced the same kind of crossover appeal that BIG had... Jay & BIG always had a friendly rivalry. Most likely its a shot at Nas though.
  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    I already broke this down on the "Kick In the Door" thread. It was mostly a diss to NaS who switched from Cruddy (ILLmatic) to Money shit (It Was Written). This is why a lot of Eastcoast rappers where hating on Big at the time, he was able to still have Street Cred cause he dropped the gutter joints like "Warning, Who Shot Ya, Unbelievable" and mixed them with club tracks like "One More Chance, Big Poppa etc" So some NYC Rappers just couldn't understand how he had the streets and mainstream on lock. They talked shit and then followed his blueprint. Big=Balance, something Jay and NaS and tons of other rappers learned from.
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  • JokerKingJokerKing She call me Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic, touch me in me back she say I'm Mr. Ro...mantic Watching Jimmy Fallon With Barbara GordonPosts: 25,172 Regulator
    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me
  • Los216Los216 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me

    Yea but Pac had Dre for AEOM so that's part of the reason his sound was different

  • JokerKingJokerKing She call me Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic, touch me in me back she say I'm Mr. Ro...mantic Watching Jimmy Fallon With Barbara GordonPosts: 25,172 Regulator
    Dre did one song on that album. Maybe he did two
  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me


    Not a shot at Pac cause it was Puff along with Pac why Big even gave the commercial side of rap a chance. Big was a hip hop head, if it was up to him his whole album would of sounded like Warning. Pac would tell Big to have balance in his songs, this was around the time Pac found a little balance himself after he released "I get around". The only diss Big had against Pac on "Kick in the Door" is when he said his reign on the top was short as he crushed so called "Thugs", that was it. Not a diss to Jay cause he was Big's disciple plus at that point Jay only had "RD" out before Big died.

  • loch121loch121 Posts: 10,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    That's kick in the door right?Well Primo made it quit clear that that song was without a doubt about Nas.

    Big was talking to Premier in his rap when he said "Son I'm surprised you run w/ them cuz they nothing but dicks" because Primo fucked w/ Nas too.

  • yeah i rap so don't yeah i rap so don't Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dre did one song on that album. Maybe he did two


    California Love and Can't C Me


    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me


    Not a shot at Pac cause it was Puff along with Pac why Big even gave the commercial side of rap a chance. Big was a hip hop head, if it was up to him his whole album would of sounded like Warning. Pac would tell Big to have balance in his songs, this was around the time Pac found a little balance himself after he released "I get around". The only diss Big had against Pac on "Kick in the Door" is when he said his reign on the top was short as he crushed so called "Thugs", that was it. Not a diss to Jay cause he was Big's disciple plus at that point Jay only had "RD" out before Big died.

    Lol @ Disciple

    loch121 wrote: »
    That's kick in the door right?Well Primo made it quit clear that that song was without a doubt about Nas.

    Big was talking to Premier in his rap when he said "Son I'm surprised you run w/ them cuz they nothing but dicks" because Primo fucked w/ Nas too.

    That was about Jeru The Damaja
    HassanCHOPROZAYTABERNACLE
  • 209murdamike209murdamike Posts: 557 ✭✭✭
    he was really talking about how he was biting this nigga right here


    this is very similar to biggie (Why)
  • deakinodeakino The Gate CityPosts: 312 ✭✭✭
    I still don't think Nas got on that money shit til' I Am.
  • Tommy bilfigerTommy bilfiger Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They Lightweight

    Fragilly/My nine milly make the white shake/thats why my money never funny/And you still recoupin stupid

    One of my favorite biggie verses of all time
  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I broke down all 3 verses of Kick In The Door in this thread:

    http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/4482185
  • JokerKingJokerKing She call me Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic, touch me in me back she say I'm Mr. Ro...mantic Watching Jimmy Fallon With Barbara GordonPosts: 25,172 Regulator
    so Shootouts was towards BIG
  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    so Shootouts was towards BIG

    I'm saying that Big listened to I.W.W. obviously and he felt that the character Frank in "Shootouts" was a subliminal at him. NaS only admitted he was going at Big on "The Message" but he was sending subliminals at Big on that album.

  • CoolJoeCoolJoe Posts: 6,015 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How in the fuck was Jay Big's disciple? Explain this, please.
  • loch121loch121 Posts: 10,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dre did one song on that album. Maybe he did two


    California Love and Can't C Me


    I always figured it was a shot to 2pac because of the completely different styles from his early albums to All Eyez On Me


    Not a shot at Pac cause it was Puff along with Pac why Big even gave the commercial side of rap a chance. Big was a hip hop head, if it was up to him his whole album would of sounded like Warning. Pac would tell Big to have balance in his songs, this was around the time Pac found a little balance himself after he released "I get around". The only diss Big had against Pac on "Kick in the Door" is when he said his reign on the top was short as he crushed so called "Thugs", that was it. Not a diss to Jay cause he was Big's disciple plus at that point Jay only had "RD" out before Big died.

    Lol @ Disciple

    loch121 wrote: »
    That's kick in the door right?Well Primo made it quit clear that that song was without a doubt about Nas.

    Big was talking to Premier in his rap when he said "Son I'm surprised you run w/ them cuz they nothing but dicks" because Primo fucked w/ Nas too.

    That was about Jeru The Damaja

    Not according to Primo.The line before that was Now you on some money shit successful out the blue.Jeru was never on no money shit but, Nas was on It Was Written
  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    CoolJoe wrote: »
    How in the fuck was Jay Big's disciple? Explain this, please.

    Big was WAY bigger than Jay when he was alive. They were going to be in the supergroup "The Commission", in that group, Big was Boss not Jay. Big was also the KONY, not Jay. Jay learned from and used Big's album formula's his whole career as well as his lyrics. Jay is Big's Disciple and apart of his family tree. Big's heavy co-sign went a long way in Jay's Career:

    biggie_jayz.jpg

    Big was featured in Jay Z's 1st two videos on his album when not many people knew who he was.




    When performing together, Jay was Big's Hype man.

    The Definition of the word "Disciple": A disciple is a follower and student of a mentor, teacher, or other wise figure.

    Big was that clearly for Jay.
    vslyke
  • loch121loch121 Posts: 10,237 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2012
    deakino wrote: »
    I still don't think Nas got on that money shit til' I Am.
    IWW is when he Became Escobar and all that and was on some Street Dreams Willy shit
  • CoolJoeCoolJoe Posts: 6,015 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CoolJoe wrote: »
    How in the fuck was Jay Big's disciple? Explain this, please.

    Big was WAY bigger than Jay when he was alive. They were going to be in the supergroup "The Commission", in that group, Big was Boss not Jay. Big was also the KONY, not Jay. Jay learned from and used Big's album formula's his whole career as well as his lyrics. Jay is Big's Disciple and apart of his family tree. Big's heavy co-sign went a long way in Jay's Career:

    biggie_jayz.jpg

    Big was featured in Jay Z's 1st two videos on his album when not many people knew who he was.




    When performing together, Jay was Big's Hype man.

    The Definition of the word "Disciple": A disciple is a follower and student of a mentor, teacher, or other wise figure.

    Big was that clearly for Jay.

    Reasonable Doubt was nothing like Ready To Die though......
  • darkraindarkrain Posts: 2,128
    I remember the interview where XXL had making of Reasonable Doubt and Damon and Biggs and some of Jay-Z's friends didn't want him to put Biggie Small on Brooklyn's Finest song cause they don't want everybody to think Jay-Z is desperate to get Biggie Small cause they wanted Jay-Z to be his own man, etc but Jay-Z still wanted Biggie. I can see why everybody don't want it...funny at the same time with his first album, he wanted Nas on it too on his first album.
  • JokerKingJokerKing She call me Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic, touch me in me back she say I'm Mr. Ro...mantic Watching Jimmy Fallon With Barbara GordonPosts: 25,172 Regulator
    Kane birthed both BIG and Jays style
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