The Official Rick Ross "God Forgives I Don't" Discussion thread (Release Date 07/31/12)

chiyosuke · July 2012

poindexter2 wrote: »

infamous114 wrote: »

blackbloc wrote: »

lol@ ross being the game of the south, still paying taxes to the real nigga that put him on. slip n slide >>>>>>>>>>>triple cs and mmg

No one's on Slip N Slide anymore. Trick and Trina left, on bad terms with Ted Lucas.

but ted owns all of ross' pub

That may not be the case anymore: 4 Blunts Lit at Once/EMI Blackwood (BMI) I'm checking back and forth between the digital booklet and the BMI site. The most recent track BMI lists is Rich Forever and First n Gold is gone.

Rich Forever @ BMI

Peezy_Jenkins · July 2012

pretty good after first listen, dont know how i feel bout mm IV, sixteen is cool, 3000 didnt kill him as much as niggas say, i think niggas caught up in him goin longer and playin guitar, at the same time he did kill it, hold me back and 911 back to back, ross should know better than that, ion kno what i'd rate it but GFID<<<TD<<<<<<<DTR right now to me

RichPorterOfTheIC · July 2012

@ImTheKangRoundHere
did your deluxe version come with 2 copies of the cd? mine did, just wanna know if its on purpose or def jam fucked up.

ImTheKangRoundHere · July 2012

dixi,send the people a link to download the album

RichPorterOfTheIC · July 2012

ImTheKangRoundHere wrote: »

dixi,send the people a link to download the album

I love the people and I would so everybody could get that 320kbps itunes plus quality but I dont how to do that shit my g.

infamous114 · July 2012

This album gets better after every listen

RichPorterOfTheIC · July 2012

did your deluxe copy come with 2 disc or 1?

ImTheKangRoundHere · July 2012

I think it's a 2 disc

poindexter2 · July 2012

chiyosuke wrote: »

poindexter2 wrote: »

infamous114 wrote: »

blackbloc wrote: »

lol@ ross being the game of the south, still paying taxes to the real nigga that put him on. slip n slide >>>>>>>>>>>triple cs and mmg

No one's on Slip N Slide anymore. Trick and Trina left, on bad terms with Ted Lucas.

but ted owns all of ross' pub

That may not be the case anymore: 4 Blunts Lit at Once/EMI Blackwood (BMI) I'm checking back and forth between the digital booklet and the BMI site. The most recent track BMI lists is Rich Forever and First n Gold is gone.

Rich Forever @ BMI

there are different streams of revenue in publishing. i oculd go into details but i would be typing in tompatrez mode if i did. ted owns the bulk of those. Ross has other investments plus show money endorsement etc.

Sion · July 2012

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

poindexter2 wrote: »

infamous114 wrote: »

blackbloc wrote: »

lol@ ross being the game of the south, still paying taxes to the real nigga that put him on. slip n slide >>>>>>>>>>>triple cs and mmg

No one's on Slip N Slide anymore. Trick and Trina left, on bad terms with Ted Lucas.

but ted owns all of ross' pub

My TL is blowing up:

http://twitter.com/#!/Pharrell/status/228980034256384000

http://twitter.com/#!/Timbaland/status/228979447775260672

http://twitter.com/#!/MistahFAB/status/228979190844751873

http://twitter.com/#!/gucci1017/status/228972428443914241

http://twitter.com/#!/BunBTrillOG/status/228947727168442370

http://twitter.com/#!/TRAEABN/status/228947633325101056

http://twitter.com/#!/NipseyHussle/status/228941642206429186

http://twitter.com/#!/MeekMill/status/228946545779814401

http://twitter.com/#!/Acehood/status/228946278166441985

http://twitter.com/#!/TRINArockstarr/status/228944978989178881

http://twitter.com/#!/YoGottiKOM/status/228944798948667392

http://twitter.com/#!/HarryFraud/status/228946370067836930

http://twitter.com/#!/djenvy/status/228943572009881600

http://twitter.com/#!/DJCLUE/status/228944901319041024

http://twitter.com/#!/DJGREENLANTERN/status/228941550988713984

How the hell is bruh bruh making the Forbes list every year if all his publishing is owned by Ted?

HipHop Forbes List

2009 = Ross (6-Million)
2010 = Ross ( 5-Million)
2011 = Ross (6-Million)

4 Blunts lit at Once publishing better be giving that Black entrepanuer a check or B.M.I ain't doing it's job and somebody ain't got they facts straight.

To be fair - today, most artists make their money OUTSIDE of music. If Ted owns his publishing, we wouldn't be able to properly tally up how much that generates in 3 years as it takes time for those things to accumulate properly. Unless we talkin Jay-Z, Eminem, Nas - cats with a lot of albums and have been in the game for ages then you'd have a point.

Ross made all that money from endorsements and touring not from Music/CD sales. If CD sales still paid the bills Ross would be broke.....

COUPCOUPCAL · July 2012

please DM link to deluxe

chiyosuke · July 2012

poindexter2 wrote: »

chiyosuke wrote: »

poindexter2 wrote: »

infamous114 wrote: »

blackbloc wrote: »

lol@ ross being the game of the south, still paying taxes to the real nigga that put him on. slip n slide >>>>>>>>>>>triple cs and mmg

No one's on Slip N Slide anymore. Trick and Trina left, on bad terms with Ted Lucas.

but ted owns all of ross' pub

That may not be the case anymore: 4 Blunts Lit at Once/EMI Blackwood (BMI) I'm checking back and forth between the digital booklet and the BMI site. The most recent track BMI lists is Rich Forever and First n Gold is gone.

Rich Forever @ BMI

there are different streams of revenue in publishing. i oculd go into details but i would be typing in tompatrez mode if i did. ted owns the bulk of those. Ross has other investments plus show money endorsement etc.

I'm aware of that, but I'm going off the 2 sources I gave above. I checked Trilla, DTR, and TD, but apparantly this is his first LP to actually list all the publishers (rather than just narrowing down to BMI, ASCAP, SESAC, etc). With that said, BMI was the only other reliable source to check publishing (since Ross is a BMI artist in this case). First N Gold (Ted's publishing company) is listed on every track Ross has been involved in up until 2012. Perhaps dude smartened up and narrowed it down to just his publishing (4 Blunts Lit at Once) and EMI Blackwood (a mainstream publishing house that probably owns tens to hundreds of thousand songs). His publishing revenue is gonna be about 22% larger with that narrowed down from 3 to 2 (before paying every other writer) ASSUMING it's a now 50/50 cut between the two. Ted definitely still has a stake in his career since he's obviously still signed to and is pretty much SnS's only performing artist (as far as bringing in money). I don't know the percentages, but it's something.

poindexter2 · July 2012

chiyosuke wrote: »

poindexter2 wrote: »

chiyosuke wrote: »

poindexter2 wrote: »

infamous114 wrote: »

blackbloc wrote: »

lol@ ross being the game of the south, still paying taxes to the real nigga that put him on. slip n slide >>>>>>>>>>>triple cs and mmg

No one's on Slip N Slide anymore. Trick and Trina left, on bad terms with Ted Lucas.

but ted owns all of ross' pub

That may not be the case anymore: 4 Blunts Lit at Once/EMI Blackwood (BMI) I'm checking back and forth between the digital booklet and the BMI site. The most recent track BMI lists is Rich Forever and First n Gold is gone.

Rich Forever @ BMI

there are different streams of revenue in publishing. i oculd go into details but i would be typing in tompatrez mode if i did. ted owns the bulk of those. Ross has other investments plus show money endorsement etc.

I'm aware of that, but I'm going off the 2 sources I gave above. I checked Trilla, DTR, and TD, but apparantly this is his first LP to actually list all the publishers (rather than just narrowing down to BMI, ASCAP, SESAC, etc). With that said, BMI was the only other reliable source to check publishing (since Ross is a BMI artist in this case). First N Gold (Ted's publishing company) is listed on every track Ross has been involved in up until 2012. Perhaps dude smartened up and narrowed it down to just his publishing (4 Blunts Lit at Once) and EMI Blackwood (a mainstream publishing house that probably owns tens to hundreds of thousand songs). His publishing revenue is gonna be about 22% larger with that narrowed down from 3 to 2 (before paying every other writer) ASSUMING it's a now 50/50 cut between the two. Ted definitely still has a stake in his career since he's obviously still signed to and is pretty much SnS's only performing artist (as far as bringing in money). I don't know the percentages, but it's something.

he probably bought back some bit by bit. who knows. publishing can be very tricky. ross caking regardless. he owns all them damn wing stops lol

H-Rap 180 · July 2012

@Coup

http://t.co/7TYXsydJ this is the link to the Deluxe.

Enjoy.

buttuh_b · July 2012

This is a good album but not better than Teflon Don to me.

My favorite tracks are:

Sixteen
Diced Pineapples
So Sophisticated
Ten Jesus Pieces
Amsterdam

Lyrically Ross is still nice but he still hasn't used that many flows. It would be nice if he had a couple more creative concepts. Production wise I can't say it's his best just yet but the first 7 tracks are probably his most musical as a collective so far. I was fuckin with 911 more than Hold Me Back as far as that sound and So Sophisticated is just raw to me. Maybach Music IV is probably my least favorite of the series along with 2 (Wayne and Kanye's verses were wack to me).. I like Ashamed but I'm not gonna act like it's the greatest shit in the world at the same time.

Gotta digest it before I rate and rank it among his catalog. I know I'm not gonna like it more than TD because it doesn't have a Tears of Joy or All The Money in the World for me. And it's not better than Life Is Good. I have high expectations for Ross though because he always delivers quality.

ROZAYTABERNACLE · July 2012

damn @ that MMGroupie following everyone who has anything good to say about GFID. I bet he Retweets them all the time and tries to get them to RT his shit. lmao foolish old man

Garv* · July 2012

Rick has been one of the most consistent rappers i the game in the last 10 years, has blessed us with countless good albums/mixtapes, props to him.

H-Rap 180 · July 2012

Sion. wrote: »

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

poindexter2 wrote: »

infamous114 wrote: »

blackbloc wrote: »

lol@ ross being the game of the south, still paying taxes to the real nigga that put him on. slip n slide >>>>>>>>>>>triple cs and mmg

No one's on Slip N Slide anymore. Trick and Trina left, on bad terms with Ted Lucas.

but ted owns all of ross' pub

My TL is blowing up:

How the hell is bruh bruh making the Forbes list every year if all his publishing is owned by Ted?

HipHop Forbes List

2009 = Ross (6-Million)
2010 = Ross ( 5-Million)
2011 = Ross (6-Million)

4 Blunts lit at Once publishing better be giving that Black entrepanuer a check or B.M.I ain't doing it's job and somebody ain't got they facts straight.

To be fair - today, most artists make their money OUTSIDE of music. If Ted owns his publishing, we wouldn't be able to properly tally up how much that generates in 3 years as it takes time for those things to accumulate properly. Unless we talkin Jay-Z, Eminem, Nas - cats with a lot of albums and have been in the game for ages then you'd have a point.

Ross made all that money from endorsements and touring not from Music/CD sales. If CD sales still paid the bills Ross would be broke.....

I see my post went over your head. I should have put "Sarcasm" quotes around it.

You can simply go to the B.M.I website like my brother already did to see who owns publishing and if an artist publishing company is on all his songs and albums in addition to his former label then why would anyone be ignorant enough to say that ALL the publishing is going to one person? Does that make sense to you?

I'm Happy these Black entrepanuers and Black businessmen have learned that you don't need to sell a million records in order to make a million dollars.

My Apologies for an album discussion (GFID) turning into a discussion about publishing but everybody has their specific interests of discussion.

This a Justice Leauge Vid from about a year ago off Producers T.V. were they talk about their production style and how they come up with their sounds.

blackbloc · July 2012

this is it?ross stans looking mad stupid after all that hype they gave this album. this is 5/10 at best

poindexter2 · July 2012

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

Sion. wrote: »

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

poindexter2 wrote: »

infamous114 wrote: »

blackbloc wrote: »

lol@ ross being the game of the south, still paying taxes to the real nigga that put him on. slip n slide >>>>>>>>>>>triple cs and mmg

No one's on Slip N Slide anymore. Trick and Trina left, on bad terms with Ted Lucas.

but ted owns all of ross' pub

My TL is blowing up:

How the hell is bruh bruh making the Forbes list every year if all his publishing is owned by Ted?

HipHop Forbes List

2009 = Ross (6-Million)
2010 = Ross ( 5-Million)
2011 = Ross (6-Million)

4 Blunts lit at Once publishing better be giving that Black entrepanuer a check or B.M.I ain't doing it's job and somebody ain't got they facts straight.

To be fair - today, most artists make their money OUTSIDE of music. If Ted owns his publishing, we wouldn't be able to properly tally up how much that generates in 3 years as it takes time for those things to accumulate properly. Unless we talkin Jay-Z, Eminem, Nas - cats with a lot of albums and have been in the game for ages then you'd have a point.

Ross made all that money from endorsements and touring not from Music/CD sales. If CD sales still paid the bills Ross would be broke.....

I see my post went over your head. I should have put "Sarcasm" quotes around it.

You can simply go to the B.M.I website like my brother already did to see who owns publishing and if an artist publishing company is on all his songs and albums in addition to his former label then why would anyone be ignorant enough to say that ALL the publishing is going to one person? Does that make sense to you?

every artist is required to register his/her own publishing company because thats the only way to get paid. Just because they are registered as one name doesnt mean that they own all of their pub. if you look up jadakiss he has a publishing name too, but diddy owns a lot of the payout. the name doesnt mean anything its whats in the contracts. look up chamillionaire or eminem's pub they have their own names, but universal owns some of their pub.

Turfaholic · July 2012

So how's the album guys?

H-Rap 180 · July 2012

poindexter2 wrote: »

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

Sion. wrote: »

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

poindexter2 wrote: »

infamous114 wrote: »

blackbloc wrote: »

lol@ ross being the game of the south, still paying taxes to the real nigga that put him on. slip n slide >>>>>>>>>>>triple cs and mmg

No one's on Slip N Slide anymore. Trick and Trina left, on bad terms with Ted Lucas.

but ted owns all of ross' pub

My TL is blowing up:

How the hell is bruh bruh making the Forbes list every year if all his publishing is owned by Ted?

HipHop Forbes List

2009 = Ross (6-Million)
2010 = Ross ( 5-Million)
2011 = Ross (6-Million)

4 Blunts lit at Once publishing better be giving that Black entrepanuer a check or B.M.I ain't doing it's job and somebody ain't got they facts straight.

To be fair - today, most artists make their money OUTSIDE of music. If Ted owns his publishing, we wouldn't be able to properly tally up how much that generates in 3 years as it takes time for those things to accumulate properly. Unless we talkin Jay-Z, Eminem, Nas - cats with a lot of albums and have been in the game for ages then you'd have a point.

Ross made all that money from endorsements and touring not from Music/CD sales. If CD sales still paid the bills Ross would be broke.....

I see my post went over your head. I should have put "Sarcasm" quotes around it.

You can simply go to the B.M.I website like my brother already did to see who owns publishing and if an artist publishing company is on all his songs and albums in addition to his former label then why would anyone be ignorant enough to say that ALL the publishing is going to one person? Does that make sense to you?

every artist is required to register his/her own publishing company because thats the only way to get paid. Just because they are registered as one name doesnt mean that they own all of their pub. if you look up jadakiss he has a publishing name too, but diddy owns a lot of the payout. the name doesnt mean anything its whats in the contracts. look up chamillionaire or eminem's pub they have their own names, but universal owns some of their pub.

I never said "one name means that they own all their Pub".

I don't own any of these artists publishing as of 2012 and I don't have access to the fine print in their contracts to go into lengthy detail about who is sharing the wealth based on payouts etc, all I have is the access to ASCAP & BMI and ability to see the publishing entities that are listed on songs and albums.

I didn't bring a publishing discussion into an Album discussion thread, I prefer to share music, videos, interviews, vlogs, and Tweets associated with the album "God Forgives I Don't".

Hopefully the parties who wish to indulge in conversation about publishing and royalties can create an alternate thread to discuss these matters while we discuss issues and events surrounding the album.

>

No disrespect to the visual directors but Shutah has a style in his Vlogs that I'm just not feeling, it's cheesy to me with the
voice-over narrations and some of the graphics, they should leave the final edits to Dre or Spiff when it comes to the Vlogs for GFID.

Some directors are just better with with music-videos and some are better with movie-style Vlogs, this in my opinion was not a good Vlog for GFID.

KingGivBiz · July 2012

I feel like once you heard Mafia Music up to his last album preceding this one you heard them all. This can't fuck with Nas's album on any level even with an old Nas track on it. 3 mics due to unoriginality from Ross (Mafia Music IV (4) says it all). And I need a translator for the end of ten Pieces please.

poindexter2 · July 2012

KingGivBiz wrote: »

I feel like once you heard Mafia Music up to his last album preceding this one you heard them all. This can't fuck with Nas's album on any level even with an old Nas track on it. 3 mics due to unoriginality from Ross (Mafia Music IV (4) says it all). And I need a translator for the end of ten Pieces please.

yeah i was wondering WTF was that about

ThaCerealKilla · July 2012

7.9/10

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