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Big Baller Brand Didn’t Sell Nearly As Many Lonzo Ball Shoes As Initially Reported

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  • SionSion Moderator, Legion of Trill, AHH Content Producer, AHH Editor Posts: 45,501 Regulator
    If Lavar changed had an attitude adjustment tho he'd be on the cover of Fortune and Slam. His attitude hurt the rollout in the beginning. That's why social media is trolling him. He needs more humility but I understand why he's doing it this way.
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    jono wrote: »
    This is the folly of the internet. Its become a bastion of misinformation, rumors, conspiracies and propaganda. A place where a person with no face or name can make accusations at any time with no verification or credentials and brainwash a small segment of people.
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  • VulcanRavenVulcanRaven I don't knowPosts: 18,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SELASI_i wrote: »
    His pops can't play for him and his game should speak for itself. His dad is drawing attention. When its time to play nobody will be interviewing Lavar, its gonna be about how well Lonzo is playing and what his teams record is.

    I didn't even know who Lonzo was til Lavar started talking. As for Steph's shoe. They didn't sell enough for what they paid Steph to get his name. As an independent BBB would be very successful selling even half. As for ugly shoes. People pay out the ass for ugly Jordan's and those ugly ass phoams. If it has hype it sells.
    Los216
  • Like WaterLike Water Integrity 1st Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like Water wrote: »
    What the Ball family is doing should be lauded and is commendable. However, how Lavar is doing it should not. He's not coming across as genuine, or particularly intelligent. Shit, the nigga damn near trolling his way to success. He seems opportunistic, overbearing, and just an all-around nuisance. You don't alienate a potential consumer base by saying they don't fit your brand's criteria because they don't have the money to pay for your unproven son's shoe. That's fucking stupid.

    As far as his son bearing the brunt of his father's obnoxiousness when he gets to the league, I don't know how it'll pan out. I do know he's no LeBron. LeBron was/is truly an anomaly. His body build, fundamental skill set, athleticism and basketball iq were already off the charts before he even got to the league. The potential bust factor for Bron was way smaller than it is for Lonzo. I saw Bron play in hs, and I already knew he was different.

    I say that to say this: Lonzo ain't even close to being a LeBron-caliber player, so every target that's on you is not the same as the next man's, nor are the abilities to deal with said target. His shot is fuckin weird and will be hindered if not tended to. He's not particularly athletic or quick. He's an ok passer. Not really that strong and he needs to hit the weight room. Defense is lacking, and he hasn't really shown us anything that we haven't seen a million times by people that are better than him and still have faltered at the next level.

    At this point, he's just a good college player that has to prove he can cut it for himself, and his idiot father. Would there be pressure on him without his pop wylin' out all the time? Undoubtedly. Should he hafta deal with extra pressure when he wasn't even the one that created it? No.

    Someone needs to tell the dad to chill and that he's coming across like a selfish leech.
    You make a lot of good points but there is already pressure when a player enters the draft and more when they play in the league. So this stuff about extra pressure is pointless.

    He has the right idea to control his son's brand as a family since no player has control and the companies are in charge of everything. If he succeeds and I hope he does this would open up doors for other players to control their own brand and take the power away from these white companies.

    All I see are other black people beung negative and criticising this man instead of rooting for him when he has the right idea. I said before, if I was an athlete I would do the same so that I retain ownership of my brand and name instead of letting a company like Nike own me the way Jordan did.

    After Jordan is long dead the descendents of Nike will still be rich from his name. Lavar saying you ain't a baller if you can't afford it is no different than white companies charging high prices just because they can. Now cause a black man does it makes it a problem?

    I don't think there are many black people that want to see him fail. His success or failure has no bearing on my life whatsoever. I think black people are criticizing him because he's making it more difficult for himself to succeed. If you have the blueprint for success, why the hell would you take the more circuitous route and expose yourself to more chances for failure?

    As far as "extra pressure", maybe it should be worded as outside pressure. As in, outside of pressure pertaining to basketball; or distractions. Instead of Lonzo working on his defense, improving his shot, and fielding questions related to his game, msm is more focused on his father and asking him questions related to that. It's unnecessary and unfair for an emerging athlete to hafta deal with stuff like that. Especially when that stuff can be easily prevented.

    The shoes are actually a subplot to me though; a microcosm of the larger issue. I'm looking at this from the pov of a father to a son, and the more important issue pertains to the effects that Lavar's actions will have on his sons.
    The jungle creed says the strongest feed on any prey that it can
    And I was branded beast at every feast before I ever became a man...
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  • Max.Max. Posts: 32,914 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yall dad bomani jones jumpn to cacs side...another coon exposed fake
    Like WaterblackrainatribecalledgabiAlready Home_17Trillfatemiamivice305infamous114
  • SELASI_iSELASI_i DARK VEDA KCPosts: 2,236 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Max. wrote: »
    Yall dad bomani jones jumpn to cacs side...another coon exposed fake

    Been knowing he was a studio gangasta
    atribecalledgabiAlready Home_17infamous114
  • VulcanRavenVulcanRaven I don't knowPosts: 18,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like Water wrote: »
    Like Water wrote: »
    What the Ball family is doing should be lauded and is commendable. However, how Lavar is doing it should not. He's not coming across as genuine, or particularly intelligent. Shit, the nigga damn near trolling his way to success. He seems opportunistic, overbearing, and just an all-around nuisance. You don't alienate a potential consumer base by saying they don't fit your brand's criteria because they don't have the money to pay for your unproven son's shoe. That's fucking stupid.

    As far as his son bearing the brunt of his father's obnoxiousness when he gets to the league, I don't know how it'll pan out. I do know he's no LeBron. LeBron was/is truly an anomaly. His body build, fundamental skill set, athleticism and basketball iq were already off the charts before he even got to the league. The potential bust factor for Bron was way smaller than it is for Lonzo. I saw Bron play in hs, and I already knew he was different.

    I say that to say this: Lonzo ain't even close to being a LeBron-caliber player, so every target that's on you is not the same as the next man's, nor are the abilities to deal with said target. His shot is fuckin weird and will be hindered if not tended to. He's not particularly athletic or quick. He's an ok passer. Not really that strong and he needs to hit the weight room. Defense is lacking, and he hasn't really shown us anything that we haven't seen a million times by people that are better than him and still have faltered at the next level.

    At this point, he's just a good college player that has to prove he can cut it for himself, and his idiot father. Would there be pressure on him without his pop wylin' out all the time? Undoubtedly. Should he hafta deal with extra pressure when he wasn't even the one that created it? No.

    Someone needs to tell the dad to chill and that he's coming across like a selfish leech.
    You make a lot of good points but there is already pressure when a player enters the draft and more when they play in the league. So this stuff about extra pressure is pointless.

    He has the right idea to control his son's brand as a family since no player has control and the companies are in charge of everything. If he succeeds and I hope he does this would open up doors for other players to control their own brand and take the power away from these white companies.

    All I see are other black people beung negative and criticising this man instead of rooting for him when he has the right idea. I said before, if I was an athlete I would do the same so that I retain ownership of my brand and name instead of letting a company like Nike own me the way Jordan did.

    After Jordan is long dead the descendents of Nike will still be rich from his name. Lavar saying you ain't a baller if you can't afford it is no different than white companies charging high prices just because they can. Now cause a black man does it makes it a problem?

    I don't think there are many black people that want to see him fail. His success or failure has no bearing on my life whatsoever. I think black people are criticizing him because he's making it more difficult for himself to succeed. If you have the blueprint for success, why the hell would you take the more circuitous route and expose yourself to more chances for failure?

    As far as "extra pressure", maybe it should be worded as outside pressure. As in, outside of pressure pertaining to basketball; or distractions. Instead of Lonzo working on his defense, improving his shot, and fielding questions related to his game, msm is more focused on his father and asking him questions related to that. It's unnecessary and unfair for an emerging athlete to hafta deal with stuff like that. Especially when that stuff can be easily prevented.

    The shoes are actually a subplot to me though; a microcosm of the larger issue. I'm looking at this from the pov of a father to a son, and the more important issue pertains to the effects that Lavar's actions will have on his sons.

    As long as he loyal to his son and they keep a freat relationship. I don't have an issue with how he conducts himself. Trump and his daddy were actually discriminating against people and succeeded from it. History shows you can have a bad public perception and be successful yet it is held against blacks. Dana White as a business owner said and did things much worse than Lavar and the UFC is bigger than ever.
    Los216
  • Max.Max. Posts: 32,914 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sion wrote: »
    Folk will diss him for pricing his shoes for $500 but go out and buy Jordans for $300+ every release for different colourways on 31 shoes SMMFH.....

    The idiocracy wasn't just a movie....

    0t0o88bo35v1.gif

    99% of Jordans dont cost 300

    And the shoes have zoom n other tech in them...

  • Like WaterLike Water Integrity 1st Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like Water wrote: »
    Like Water wrote: »
    What the Ball family is doing should be lauded and is commendable. However, how Lavar is doing it should not. He's not coming across as genuine, or particularly intelligent. Shit, the nigga damn near trolling his way to success. He seems opportunistic, overbearing, and just an all-around nuisance. You don't alienate a potential consumer base by saying they don't fit your brand's criteria because they don't have the money to pay for your unproven son's shoe. That's fucking stupid.

    As far as his son bearing the brunt of his father's obnoxiousness when he gets to the league, I don't know how it'll pan out. I do know he's no LeBron. LeBron was/is truly an anomaly. His body build, fundamental skill set, athleticism and basketball iq were already off the charts before he even got to the league. The potential bust factor for Bron was way smaller than it is for Lonzo. I saw Bron play in hs, and I already knew he was different.

    I say that to say this: Lonzo ain't even close to being a LeBron-caliber player, so every target that's on you is not the same as the next man's, nor are the abilities to deal with said target. His shot is fuckin weird and will be hindered if not tended to. He's not particularly athletic or quick. He's an ok passer. Not really that strong and he needs to hit the weight room. Defense is lacking, and he hasn't really shown us anything that we haven't seen a million times by people that are better than him and still have faltered at the next level.

    At this point, he's just a good college player that has to prove he can cut it for himself, and his idiot father. Would there be pressure on him without his pop wylin' out all the time? Undoubtedly. Should he hafta deal with extra pressure when he wasn't even the one that created it? No.

    Someone needs to tell the dad to chill and that he's coming across like a selfish leech.
    You make a lot of good points but there is already pressure when a player enters the draft and more when they play in the league. So this stuff about extra pressure is pointless.

    He has the right idea to control his son's brand as a family since no player has control and the companies are in charge of everything. If he succeeds and I hope he does this would open up doors for other players to control their own brand and take the power away from these white companies.

    All I see are other black people beung negative and criticising this man instead of rooting for him when he has the right idea. I said before, if I was an athlete I would do the same so that I retain ownership of my brand and name instead of letting a company like Nike own me the way Jordan did.

    After Jordan is long dead the descendents of Nike will still be rich from his name. Lavar saying you ain't a baller if you can't afford it is no different than white companies charging high prices just because they can. Now cause a black man does it makes it a problem?

    I don't think there are many black people that want to see him fail. His success or failure has no bearing on my life whatsoever. I think black people are criticizing him because he's making it more difficult for himself to succeed. If you have the blueprint for success, why the hell would you take the more circuitous route and expose yourself to more chances for failure?

    As far as "extra pressure", maybe it should be worded as outside pressure. As in, outside of pressure pertaining to basketball; or distractions. Instead of Lonzo working on his defense, improving his shot, and fielding questions related to his game, msm is more focused on his father and asking him questions related to that. It's unnecessary and unfair for an emerging athlete to hafta deal with stuff like that. Especially when that stuff can be easily prevented.

    The shoes are actually a subplot to me though; a microcosm of the larger issue. I'm looking at this from the pov of a father to a son, and the more important issue pertains to the effects that Lavar's actions will have on his sons.

    As long as he loyal to his son and they keep a freat relationship. I don't have an issue with how he conducts himself. Trump and his daddy were actually discriminating against people and succeeded from it. History shows you can have a bad public perception and be successful yet it is held against blacks. Dana White as a business owner said and did things much worse than Lavar and the UFC is bigger than ever.

    Are you a father? And if you are, would you purposely make your child's life more difficult than it needed to be?
    The jungle creed says the strongest feed on any prey that it can
    And I was branded beast at every feast before I ever became a man...
    2stepz_ahead
  • SionSion Moderator, Legion of Trill, AHH Content Producer, AHH Editor Posts: 45,501 Regulator
    Max. wrote: »
    Sion wrote: »
    Folk will diss him for pricing his shoes for $500 but go out and buy Jordans for $300+ every release for different colourways on 31 shoes SMMFH.....

    The idiocracy wasn't just a movie....

    0t0o88bo35v1.gif

    99% of Jordans dont cost 300

    And the shoes have zoom n other tech in them...

    Iuno fam out here the cheapest Jays will run you $275, I think in USD it's cheaper but out here the conversion is crazy. That being said I just realised in Canadian dollars Lonzo's shoes are over 600 sheeeesh
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    jono wrote: »
    This is the folly of the internet. Its become a bastion of misinformation, rumors, conspiracies and propaganda. A place where a person with no face or name can make accusations at any time with no verification or credentials and brainwash a small segment of people.
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    Message to the trills of the IC: May Legion Of Trill be your enemies downfall
  • VulcanRavenVulcanRaven I don't knowPosts: 18,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like Water wrote: »
    Like Water wrote: »
    Like Water wrote: »
    What the Ball family is doing should be lauded and is commendable. However, how Lavar is doing it should not. He's not coming across as genuine, or particularly intelligent. Shit, the nigga damn near trolling his way to success. He seems opportunistic, overbearing, and just an all-around nuisance. You don't alienate a potential consumer base by saying they don't fit your brand's criteria because they don't have the money to pay for your unproven son's shoe. That's fucking stupid.

    As far as his son bearing the brunt of his father's obnoxiousness when he gets to the league, I don't know how it'll pan out. I do know he's no LeBron. LeBron was/is truly an anomaly. His body build, fundamental skill set, athleticism and basketball iq were already off the charts before he even got to the league. The potential bust factor for Bron was way smaller than it is for Lonzo. I saw Bron play in hs, and I already knew he was different.

    I say that to say this: Lonzo ain't even close to being a LeBron-caliber player, so every target that's on you is not the same as the next man's, nor are the abilities to deal with said target. His shot is fuckin weird and will be hindered if not tended to. He's not particularly athletic or quick. He's an ok passer. Not really that strong and he needs to hit the weight room. Defense is lacking, and he hasn't really shown us anything that we haven't seen a million times by people that are better than him and still have faltered at the next level.

    At this point, he's just a good college player that has to prove he can cut it for himself, and his idiot father. Would there be pressure on him without his pop wylin' out all the time? Undoubtedly. Should he hafta deal with extra pressure when he wasn't even the one that created it? No.

    Someone needs to tell the dad to chill and that he's coming across like a selfish leech.
    You make a lot of good points but there is already pressure when a player enters the draft and more when they play in the league. So this stuff about extra pressure is pointless.

    He has the right idea to control his son's brand as a family since no player has control and the companies are in charge of everything. If he succeeds and I hope he does this would open up doors for other players to control their own brand and take the power away from these white companies.

    All I see are other black people beung negative and criticising this man instead of rooting for him when he has the right idea. I said before, if I was an athlete I would do the same so that I retain ownership of my brand and name instead of letting a company like Nike own me the way Jordan did.

    After Jordan is long dead the descendents of Nike will still be rich from his name. Lavar saying you ain't a baller if you can't afford it is no different than white companies charging high prices just because they can. Now cause a black man does it makes it a problem?

    I don't think there are many black people that want to see him fail. His success or failure has no bearing on my life whatsoever. I think black people are criticizing him because he's making it more difficult for himself to succeed. If you have the blueprint for success, why the hell would you take the more circuitous route and expose yourself to more chances for failure?

    As far as "extra pressure", maybe it should be worded as outside pressure. As in, outside of pressure pertaining to basketball; or distractions. Instead of Lonzo working on his defense, improving his shot, and fielding questions related to his game, msm is more focused on his father and asking him questions related to that. It's unnecessary and unfair for an emerging athlete to hafta deal with stuff like that. Especially when that stuff can be easily prevented.

    The shoes are actually a subplot to me though; a microcosm of the larger issue. I'm looking at this from the pov of a father to a son, and the more important issue pertains to the effects that Lavar's actions will have on his sons.

    As long as he loyal to his son and they keep a freat relationship. I don't have an issue with how he conducts himself. Trump and his daddy were actually discriminating against people and succeeded from it. History shows you can have a bad public perception and be successful yet it is held against blacks. Dana White as a business owner said and did things much worse than Lavar and the UFC is bigger than ever.

    Are you a father? And if you are, would you purposely make your child's life more difficult than it needed to be?
    How is he making his child's life difficult though? I would encourage my child to to believe in their self and go all out like Lavar is doing. My personality is different but I would be as aggressive.
    SELASI_iLos216
  • SELASI_iSELASI_i DARK VEDA KCPosts: 2,236 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Copper wrote: »
    SELASI_i wrote: »
    Max. wrote: »
    Yall dad bomani jones jumpn to cacs side...another coon exposed fake

    Been knowing he was a studio gangasta

    Foh ... lavar ball and his clown ass WWF interviews will not be the measurment for Bomani's blackness

    I said been knowing... Meaning prior to this.. All good tho
  • SELASI_iSELASI_i DARK VEDA KCPosts: 2,236 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Niggas kill me with this damsel in distress shit.
  • 1CK1S1CK1S Posts: 27,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't have dreams I have goals. Dreams are what you have when you are sleep. Goals are what you strive to reach when you are awake!
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  • 808HiLife808808HiLife808 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sion wrote: »
    If Lavar changed had an attitude adjustment tho he'd be on the cover of Fortune and Slam. His attitude hurt the rollout in the beginning. That's why social media is trolling him. He needs more humility but I understand why he's doing it this way.

    i like how he is. hes like that drunk ass uncle at the cookout talkin shit all day. end of the day, his antics keep people talking.

    if this shoe takes off, itll prob give him some head room for an "entry level" shoe. but right now you can guarantee mfs are buying that shoe just to say/show they have it or can...because he threw that you aint a baller if...shit.


    im surprised he hasnt had any "issues" come up yet lol.

    "in 2002, he gave a racist look to a grocery store cashier"

    Siondnyce215Los216miamivice305
  • SELASI_iSELASI_i DARK VEDA KCPosts: 2,236 ✭✭✭✭✭
    She was trying to create a storyline. "Maybe a disconnect between Lavar and Lonzo" based on the angle of her questions that's the narrative she was pushing for.
    808HiLife808CashmoneyDuxLos216
  • blackrainblackrain Posts: 27,209 Regulator
  • Like WaterLike Water Integrity 1st Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Like Water wrote: »
    Like Water wrote: »
    Like Water wrote: »
    What the Ball family is doing should be lauded and is commendable. However, how Lavar is doing it should not. He's not coming across as genuine, or particularly intelligent. Shit, the nigga damn near trolling his way to success. He seems opportunistic, overbearing, and just an all-around nuisance. You don't alienate a potential consumer base by saying they don't fit your brand's criteria because they don't have the money to pay for your unproven son's shoe. That's fucking stupid.

    As far as his son bearing the brunt of his father's obnoxiousness when he gets to the league, I don't know how it'll pan out. I do know he's no LeBron. LeBron was/is truly an anomaly. His body build, fundamental skill set, athleticism and basketball iq were already off the charts before he even got to the league. The potential bust factor for Bron was way smaller than it is for Lonzo. I saw Bron play in hs, and I already knew he was different.

    I say that to say this: Lonzo ain't even close to being a LeBron-caliber player, so every target that's on you is not the same as the next man's, nor are the abilities to deal with said target. His shot is fuckin weird and will be hindered if not tended to. He's not particularly athletic or quick. He's an ok passer. Not really that strong and he needs to hit the weight room. Defense is lacking, and he hasn't really shown us anything that we haven't seen a million times by people that are better than him and still have faltered at the next level.

    At this point, he's just a good college player that has to prove he can cut it for himself, and his idiot father. Would there be pressure on him without his pop wylin' out all the time? Undoubtedly. Should he hafta deal with extra pressure when he wasn't even the one that created it? No.

    Someone needs to tell the dad to chill and that he's coming across like a selfish leech.
    You make a lot of good points but there is already pressure when a player enters the draft and more when they play in the league. So this stuff about extra pressure is pointless.

    He has the right idea to control his son's brand as a family since no player has control and the companies are in charge of everything. If he succeeds and I hope he does this would open up doors for other players to control their own brand and take the power away from these white companies.

    All I see are other black people beung negative and criticising this man instead of rooting for him when he has the right idea. I said before, if I was an athlete I would do the same so that I retain ownership of my brand and name instead of letting a company like Nike own me the way Jordan did.

    After Jordan is long dead the descendents of Nike will still be rich from his name. Lavar saying you ain't a baller if you can't afford it is no different than white companies charging high prices just because they can. Now cause a black man does it makes it a problem?

    I don't think there are many black people that want to see him fail. His success or failure has no bearing on my life whatsoever. I think black people are criticizing him because he's making it more difficult for himself to succeed. If you have the blueprint for success, why the hell would you take the more circuitous route and expose yourself to more chances for failure?

    As far as "extra pressure", maybe it should be worded as outside pressure. As in, outside of pressure pertaining to basketball; or distractions. Instead of Lonzo working on his defense, improving his shot, and fielding questions related to his game, msm is more focused on his father and asking him questions related to that. It's unnecessary and unfair for an emerging athlete to hafta deal with stuff like that. Especially when that stuff can be easily prevented.

    The shoes are actually a subplot to me though; a microcosm of the larger issue. I'm looking at this from the pov of a father to a son, and the more important issue pertains to the effects that Lavar's actions will have on his sons.

    As long as he loyal to his son and they keep a freat relationship. I don't have an issue with how he conducts himself. Trump and his daddy were actually discriminating against people and succeeded from it. History shows you can have a bad public perception and be successful yet it is held against blacks. Dana White as a business owner said and did things much worse than Lavar and the UFC is bigger than ever.

    Are you a father? And if you are, would you purposely make your child's life more difficult than it needed to be?
    How is he making his child's life difficult though? I would encourage my child to to believe in their self and go all out like Lavar is doing. My personality is different but I would be as aggressive.

    Your son is being made into a bad guy, but not because of his own doing.

    There's a difference between being smart and aggressive and being boorish and aggressive. Sometimes the lines may blur, but the smart person can maneuver through these instances a lot more covertly.

    I'm tired of this shit though. It is what it is. We all have our opinions.
    The jungle creed says the strongest feed on any prey that it can
    And I was branded beast at every feast before I ever became a man...
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  • ShuffingtonShuffington Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18
    Sion wrote: »
    Folk will diss him for pricing his shoes for $500 but go out and buy Jordans for $300+ every release for different colourways on 31 shoes SMMFH.....

    The idiocracy wasn't just a movie....

    0t0o88bo35v1.gif

    Would you spend 50,000$ on a Chengfeng luxury sedan(a relatively new company)

    or

    50,000$ on a BMW/Mercedes/Audi.....?
  • Angeles1son85Angeles1son85 I'm an animal I shoulda been born in Jumanji Los AngelesPosts: 13,469 ✭✭✭✭✭
    man im scared trump about to fire spicer and hire this dude lol i dont got no problem about the shoes but least wait to see if ya son really gonna ball like that
  • SionSion Moderator, Legion of Trill, AHH Content Producer, AHH Editor Posts: 45,501 Regulator
    Sion wrote: »
    Folk will diss him for pricing his shoes for $500 but go out and buy Jordans for $300+ every release for different colourways on 31 shoes SMMFH.....

    The idiocracy wasn't just a movie....

    0t0o88bo35v1.gif

    Would you spend 50,000$ on a Chengfeng luxury sedan(a relatively new company)

    or

    50,000$ on a BMW/Mercedes/Audi.....?

    I see what you're getting to but it's essentially the same thing - it's just how one is perceived by the majority.
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    jono wrote: »
    This is the folly of the internet. Its become a bastion of misinformation, rumors, conspiracies and propaganda. A place where a person with no face or name can make accusations at any time with no verification or credentials and brainwash a small segment of people.
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    Message to the trills of the IC: May Legion Of Trill be your enemies downfall
    blakfyahkingLos216
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