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Jay-Z, really? The greatest of all time?

8 months ago :: Nov 20, 2008 - 2:01PM #1
Presence Posts: 51
8 months ago :: Nov 20, 2008 - 2:05PM #2
iLLogikz Posts: 1311	Nov 20, 2008 -- 2:01PM, Presence wrote: I have a real question. Do you really think that Jay-Z is one of the greatest rappers? Maybe even one of the Greatest of All Time? Why? Ok so he can relate to peoples struggle, and I admire him being able to go through so much adversity and still be in his position, but, what does he do for HIS PEOPLE. Look at where he came from. I know that he gives money to Red Cross and does shows to raise money, but what does this do for his people that are living his struggle now. Where’s the music that uplifts his people and tries to preach to them what they have to do to be great. To make a difference in their lives? Currently all he talks about is how good he is at rapping, and comes onto other peoples and does half assed verses. If you’re going to be the greatest of all time, shouldn’t you be rapping your best on every verse, and trying to help the people where you came from? Not to mention how many people who have helped him to become great, and he has just left them behind. What the fuck it is up with that, how can you be considered great, if other people help you get somewhere and you give them nothing, I think Nas with Ether answered this best. I just want to see what you guys think? What makes him the Greatest of All Time? First off. Stop tryna put rappers up against the "tupac mold" as a way to qualify their greatness. These are rappers first. Not motivational speakers and not activists. Although he does touch on issues.
8 months ago :: Nov 20, 2008 - 2:17PM #3
BKBOZACK Posts: 3114	Doesn't making these threads get tired? Jay-Z will be considered the GOAT, because of his wordplay, no other rapper on planet earth can make you rewind a track eight times just to catch what he really says. And then find out it means something so different but obvious. Hes a genius, give it up.
8 months ago :: Nov 20, 2008 - 2:31PM #4
The 12th Letter Posts: 764	what did biggie do for his people? what did pun do for his people? what did kane do for his people? what did big l do for his people? what did ll do for his people? you see where im getting at
8 months ago :: Nov 20, 2008 - 2:34PM #5
King Legend Posts: 2257	He is the undeniable GOAT Jigga held you down 10 summers damn. Go do ya research on this man Presence, its obvious you dont know enough. Close thread. Before I sell my soul I'll lose everything! You can lock me up cracker Ima get out and do the same thing. You can take this rap shit from me I'll find another game. Don't get this shit confused nigga this was never my dream. I only speak on what I done been through nigga, and what I done seen. I'd rather kill myself before I live a lie. Before I turn informant nigga I'd rather fry. My Momma lost me to the streets I told her DONT CRY! Told her If she understood real she should understand why. The wrong slip in these streets and these crackerz'll hand you life. Had plenty of money nigga but never payed tithes. Nigga was caught up in this thuggin, I apoligize. Broke my heart they gave my lil homie 5 years. I put a cast on my heart in place of the tears. He told me Legend I'm living through you while I'm in here. The realest shit I ever heard, that shit gave me chills and Ima get that time off him if its Gods will. I don't know when God coming thats my only fear. Been dranking since I was sixteen, it help me think clear. Don't come to my funeral If I ain't FK with you while I was here. The opposite of you FK nigga, cause you A square. I know some F**K niggas that hate me who I ain't never met, never talked to, never even seen me yet. The only thing they know Im where they tryin to get. Respect it or check nigga cause I don't owe you shit. I been dealin with envy nigga every since I was a gent. Hated by many loved by the same so Im even bitch. I put my hand on The Bible and swear to tell the truth. If You like to here lies im the wrong nigga to listen too.
8 months ago :: Nov 21, 2008 - 2:48PM #6
styles129 Posts: 16	look...by far....the greatest of all time is KRS ONE...longevity, flow, styles, rhymes, content, and the dude spit major game beyond the norm! lets really look at it...every album this dude has done hasn't been anything like the last and he started the jamacan chant in hiphop...he started alot of the shit...the deep knowledge in the rhyme....the movements.... yall need to do ya homework....plus he put on others that had at least some buzz when they dropped.... channel live...1 hit wonder yeah but it was a solid hit.....bumpy knuqles!!!...nuff said...then he's takin out crews....whole crews!!!!!.... and still he'll murder all of these new cats.....f u wanna say i'm on his nuts...well fuq it then....i am...cuz this is the only man that really still rides for HIPHOP....do i agree wit everything he does or says...no....but...this man is the greatest mc to ever bless the mic....period....ya heard dat!!!!....PERIOD!!!!!!
8 months ago :: Nov 21, 2008 - 3:03PM #7
Louie Mo.....(F.P.C. .......uknowhatitis) Posts: 3418	Nov 20, 2008 -- 2:34PM, King Legend wrote: He is the undeniable GOAT Jigga held you down 10 summers damn. Go do ya research on this man Presence, its obvious you dont know enough. Close thread. well one of those summer is was locked up and that nigga jigga didn't put no money on my books......... so in theory that nigga didn't hold down shit for me .................... fuck that ............. i'm hatin!!!!!!!!!!! ~The "REAL" F.P.C Members~ M.Pinero B.Cotton The_R Culture Got It Por Barato Dead Prez Louie Mo Phil T Rich Biz Bayless Killah Cam Dungeons Of Rap Word to Yo Momz Queens Get the money Space Cowboy F.P.C = ITS A MOVEMENT
8 months ago :: Nov 21, 2008 - 3:07PM #8
USMARIN3 Posts: 4847	If he isnt then who is? seriously how many rappers have more than two universal classics, that many hit records, 11 number one albums, sold out MSG and Glastonburry,brought hiphop to the masses and coorporate world, proficient in the skill of mcing (flow,delivery,lyricism,stage shows,song writing,battling,etc). I'm not even gonna bring up the fact the influence hes had on this generation and the minime's he has running around (Lil Wayne,Lupe,Joe Budden,TI,etc).
8 months ago :: Nov 21, 2008 - 3:20PM #9
King Legend Posts: 2257	Nov 21, 2008 -- 3:03PM, Louie Mo.....(F.P.C. .......uknowhatitis) wrote: Nov 20, 2008 -- 2:34PM, King Legend wrote: He is the undeniable GOAT Jigga held you down 10 summers damn. Go do ya research on this man Presence, its obvious you dont know enough. Close thread. well one of those summer is was locked up and that nigga jigga didn't put no money on my books......... so in theory that nigga didn't hold down shit for me .................... fuck that ............. i'm hatin!!!!!!!!!!! You can blame Jigga, you gotta blame ya boyz for not gettin you that shit in the building, it wouldve got you through ya bid. Before I sell my soul I'll lose everything! You can lock me up cracker Ima get out and do the same thing. You can take this rap shit from me I'll find another game. Don't get this shit confused nigga this was never my dream. I only speak on what I done been through nigga, and what I done seen. I'd rather kill myself before I live a lie. Before I turn informant nigga I'd rather fry. My Momma lost me to the streets I told her DONT CRY! Told her If she understood real she should understand why. The wrong slip in these streets and these crackerz'll hand you life. Had plenty of money nigga but never payed tithes. Nigga was caught up in this thuggin, I apoligize. Broke my heart they gave my lil homie 5 years. I put a cast on my heart in place of the tears. He told me Legend I'm living through you while I'm in here. The realest shit I ever heard, that shit gave me chills and Ima get that time off him if its Gods will. I don't know when God coming thats my only fear. Been dranking since I was sixteen, it help me think clear. Don't come to my funeral If I ain't FK with you while I was here. The opposite of you FK nigga, cause you A square. I know some F**K niggas that hate me who I ain't never met, never talked to, never even seen me yet. The only thing they know Im where they tryin to get. Respect it or check nigga cause I don't owe you shit. I been dealin with envy nigga every since I was a gent. Hated by many loved by the same so Im even bitch. I put my hand on The Bible and swear to tell the truth. If You like to here lies im the wrong nigga to listen too.
8 months ago :: Nov 21, 2008 - 3:20PM #10
styles129 Posts: 16	ARE YALL 4REAL?!!!!!....THIS MAN KRS ONE IS YO RAPPERS FAVORITE RAPPERS RAPPER....ARE U KIDDIN' ME....I CAN TELL...YALL JUST AINT NO HISTORIANS OF THIS ART FORM....TREND SETTER...MAN I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THE DUDE...ASK JAY-Z IF HE LIST KRS AS HIS INFLUENCE...BET HE SAYS YES....THIS MAN SHUT DOWN QUEENS BY HIMSELF.... BY HIMSELF!!!! R U FUQIN' KIDDIN ME?.....YALL MAKE ME LAUGH... LOOK...DO YA HOMEWORK B4 YALL COMMENT ON HERE.... U KNOW WHAT...I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT...YALL SAID BEST RAPPER....DAMN...THAT MAN AINT NO RAPPER...HE'S AN MC... THERE'S A DIFFERENCE YOU KNOW.....I DON'T WHO THE BEST RAPPER IS CUZ I DON'T FUQ WIT RAPPERS.... I RIP 'EM OFF BLAQ AND MILDS!!!!! NOW THATS AN MC LINE....A DUAL METAPHOR...MC STYLE...FUQIN RAPPERS!!! HA...

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First off. Stop tryna put rappers up against the "tupac mold" as a way to qualify their greatness. These are rappers first. Not motivational speakers and not activists. Although he does touch on issues.