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Islam -- your own views
2 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 12:14PM #1
Esseljay
Posts: 7

Hey everyone, I was just looking through the forums and saw everything on christianity and, as a muslim I'm just curious:


What is everyone here's personal view on islam?


Do you think it is a peaceful religion or one that preacher hate and terror?


And from what you know, do you think it makes sense?


 

2 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 12:44PM #2
ImGoingtoHeavenRU?
Posts: 3463

Oct 06, 2008 - 11:14AM, Esseljay wrote:


Hey everyone, I was just looking through the forums and saw everything on christianity and, as a muslim I'm just curious:


What is everyone here's personal view on islam?


Do you think it is a peaceful religion or one that preacher hate and terror?


And from what you know, do you think it makes sense?


 




 


Whats up my friend? You asked a question, so I hope I don't offend you with my response. My personal view on Islam is that it's a false religion. Islam denies the diety of Jesus Christ. Islam came along in the 7th century, almost 650 years after the LORD Jesus Christ died, was buried, and rose again from the dead.


Islam teaches that paradise is gained through good works and obedience to the Qur'an. The Bible, in contrast, reveals that man cannot measure up to the holy God. Only because of His mercy and love can sinners be saved through faith in Christ, who fulfilled the Law in the place of those who would believe in Him (Ephesians 2:8-9; Matthew 5:17). Therefore, Islam and Christianity cannot both be true. One is God's Word and one is not. The truth has eternal consequences.


 


God says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Nobody in Islam died for the sins of the world. The central figure in Islam, Muhammad, never laid down His life for me. On the other hand, the LORD JESUS Christ died for me, even though I was still dead in my sins and trespasses. He rose again on the 3rd day and is set down at the right hand of God with all authority and power. His resurrection from the dead confirms his diety and shows all that He alone has the keys to death and the grave.


 


I have no problems with muslims, I love all my fellow brothers and sisters. I believe that a lot of muslims are devot and strict followers of the 5 pillars. I only believe a few are extremeists. But at the end of the day I still believe that Islam is false. I know what the LORD Jesus Christ did for me because of the personal relationship that I have with him. God Bless.


 


"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world" (1 John 4:1-4).

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork." Psalm 19:1
2 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 12:53PM #3
Esseljay
Posts: 7




 


Oct 06, 2008 - 11:44AM, ImGoingtoHeavenRU? wrote:

God says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Nobody in Islam died for the sins of the world. The central figure in Islam, Muhammad, never laid down His life for me. On the other hand, the LORD JESUS Christ died for me, even though I was still dead in my sins and trespasses. He rose again on the 3rd day and is set down at the right hand of God with all authority and power. His resurrection from the dead confirms his diety and shows all that He alone has the keys to death and the grave.



 


But doesn't the bible also state that no man shall bear the burden of
another? If that's true, then why would Jesus, a man, die for the sins
of the world, or bear our burdens. Also, why worship the savior and not
the LORD? You say LORD Jesus but then, turn around and it's Jesus the
son of God. Just looking for conversation.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 01:09PM #4
ImGoingtoHeavenRU?
Posts: 3463

Oct 06, 2008 - 11:53AM, Esseljay wrote:


 


 


 


 


Oct 06, 2008 - 11:44AM, ImGoingtoHeavenRU? wrote:

God says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Nobody in Islam died for the sins of the world. The central figure in Islam, Muhammad, never laid down His life for me. On the other hand, the LORD JESUS Christ died for me, even though I was still dead in my sins and trespasses. He rose again on the 3rd day and is set down at the right hand of God with all authority and power. His resurrection from the dead confirms his diety and shows all that He alone has the keys to death and the grave.



 


But doesn't the bible also state that no man shall bear the burden of another? If that's true, then why would Jesus, a man, die for the sins of the world, or bear our burdens. Also, why worship the savior and not the LORD? You say LORD Jesus but then, turn around and it's Jesus the son of God. Just looking for conversation.




 


No, the word of God actually tells us to bear one anothers burdens. "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2)


Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world because he loves His creation. He provided the perfect sacrafice that God required for the transgressions of humanity. God is holy and he demands perfection. The only one who could redeem His fallen creation, was God himself, in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ.  A holy God cannot let sin go unpunished. To bear our own sins would be to suffer God's judgment in the flames of hell. Praise God, He kept His promise to send and sacrifice the perfect Lamb to bear the sins of those who trust in Him. Jesus had to die because He is the only one who can pay the penalty for our sins.


 


Also Jesus Christ is LORD. Just because I don't say LORD JESUS CHRIST all the time, doesn't mean that He still isn't God and that i don't acknowledge Him as such.

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork." Psalm 19:1
2 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 03:44PM #5
Esseljay
Posts: 7

Oct 06, 2008 - 12:09PM, ImGoingtoHeavenRU? wrote:


Oct 06, 2008 - 11:53AM, Esseljay wrote:






Oct 06, 2008 - 11:44AM, ImGoingtoHeavenRU? wrote:

God says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Nobody in Islam died for the sins of the world. The central figure in Islam, Muhammad, never laid down His life for me. On the other hand, the LORD JESUS Christ died for me, even though I was still dead in my sins and trespasses. He rose again on the 3rd day and is set down at the right hand of God with all authority and power. His resurrection from the dead confirms his diety and shows all that He alone has the keys to death and the grave.




But doesn't the bible also state that no man shall bear the burden of another? If that's true, then why would Jesus, a man, die for the sins of the world, or bear our burdens. Also, why worship the savior and not the LORD? You say LORD Jesus but then, turn around and it's Jesus the son of God. Just looking for conversation.





No, the word of God actually tells us to bear one anothers burdens. "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2)


Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world because he loves His creation. He provided the perfect sacrafice that God required for the transgressions of humanity. God is holy and he demands perfection. The only one who could redeem His fallen creation, was God himself, in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ.  A holy God cannot let sin go unpunished. To bear our own sins would be to suffer God's judgment in the flames of hell. Praise God, He kept His promise to send and sacrifice the perfect Lamb to bear the sins of those who trust in Him. Jesus had to die because He is the only one who can pay the penalty for our sins.



Also Jesus Christ is LORD. Just because I don't say LORD JESUS CHRIST all the time, doesn't mean that He still isn't God and that i don't acknowledge Him as such.




 


But if we are the creation of Jesus, and Jesus was born of Mary, doesn't that make him a creation? If Jesus is your ticket to heaven, what about all the people that came before Jesus? Are they not given a chance to accept him?

2 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 04:31PM #6
ImGoingtoHeavenRU?
Posts: 3463

Oct 06, 2008 - 02:44PM, Esseljay wrote:


Oct 06, 2008 - 12:09PM, ImGoingtoHeavenRU? wrote:


Oct 06, 2008 - 11:53AM, Esseljay wrote:


 


 


 


 


Oct 06, 2008 - 11:44AM, ImGoingtoHeavenRU? wrote:

God says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Nobody in Islam died for the sins of the world. The central figure in Islam, Muhammad, never laid down His life for me. On the other hand, the LORD JESUS Christ died for me, even though I was still dead in my sins and trespasses. He rose again on the 3rd day and is set down at the right hand of God with all authority and power. His resurrection from the dead confirms his diety and shows all that He alone has the keys to death and the grave.



 


But doesn't the bible also state that no man shall bear the burden of another? If that's true, then why would Jesus, a man, die for the sins of the world, or bear our burdens. Also, why worship the savior and not the LORD? You say LORD Jesus but then, turn around and it's Jesus the son of God. Just looking for conversation.




 


No, the word of God actually tells us to bear one anothers burdens. "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2)


Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world because he loves His creation. He provided the perfect sacrafice that God required for the transgressions of humanity. God is holy and he demands perfection. The only one who could redeem His fallen creation, was God himself, in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. A holy God cannot let sin go unpunished. To bear our own sins would be to suffer God's judgment in the flames of hell. Praise God, He kept His promise to send and sacrifice the perfect Lamb to bear the sins of those who trust in Him. Jesus had to die because He is the only one who can pay the penalty for our sins.


 


Also Jesus Christ is LORD. Just because I don't say LORD JESUS CHRIST all the time, doesn't mean that He still isn't God and that i don't acknowledge Him as such.




 


But if we are the creation of Jesus, and Jesus was born of Mary, doesn't that make him a creation? If Jesus is your ticket to heaven, what about all the people that came before Jesus? Are they not given a chance to accept him?




 


Jesus is the creator. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth." ( John 1:1,3,14)


 


The verses above clearly tell us that Jesus Christ, the Word, is God. All things were made by Him. When Jesus Christ left heaven to become flesh, he was born of a Virgin. Conceived by the Holy Spirit.


 


As for what happens to those who lived before Jesus and never heard of Him, All people are accountable to God whether they have "heard about Him" or not. The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11). The problem is that the human race is sinful; we all reject this knowledge of God and rebel against Him (Romans 1:21-23). Apart from God's grace, God would give us over to the sinful desires of our hearts, allowing us to discover how useless and miserable life is apart from Him. This He does for those who reject Him (Romans 1:24-32).

In reality, it is not that some people have not heard about God. Rather, the problem is that they have rejected what they have heard and what is readily seen in nature. Deuteronomy 4:29 proclaims, "But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul." This verse teaches an important principle: everyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. If a person truly desires to know God, God will make Himself known.

The problem is, "there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God" (Romans 3:11). People reject the knowledge of God that is present in nature and in their own heart, and instead decide to worship a "god" of their own creation. It is foolish to debate the fairness of God sending someone to hell who never had the opportunity to hear the Gospel of Christ. People are responsible to God for what God has already revealed to them. The Bible says that people reject this knowledge, and therefore God is just in condemning them to hell.

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork." Psalm 19:1
2 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 06:00PM #7
Demandred
Posts: 255

Muhammad had sex with just about anyone he pleased, thanks to Allah's remarkable interest in his personal sex life.


Muhammad was married to eleven women at one time, relegating them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night.  He married a 9-year-old girl and even his adopted son's wife.  On top of that Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his own armies.


So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.


 



  1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.

  2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.

  3. This Hubal was a moon god.

  4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
    About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)

  5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".

  6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.

  7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".

  8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".

  9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.

  10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.

  11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.



These are all quotes btw, not my personal perspective

The beginning of Wisdom is: get Wisdom (skillful and godly Wisdom)! [For skillful and godly Wisdom is the principal thing.] And with all you have gotten, get understanding (discernment, comprehension, and interpretation). -Proverb 4:7 (Amp)
2 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 09:23PM #8
Everything is Everything
Posts: 514

As someone who was brought up a Catholic I got mad love for Islam and the Muslim community. Some of y'all are the most dedicated followers God/Allah has!!!! Praying 5 times a day that should be commended, fasting and even the 'idea' of Sharia law. While I dont agree with some of the laws themsleves, the fact that you dont seperate church and state, and have God in your schools more so than the rest of the west I gotta respect.


 


Dont listen to old mate saying Islam is sexist (I know you wouldnt), no Christian or Jew for that matter has the right to call another one sexist. Christians 'let he who is free of sin cast the first stone'. All of you guys have the same structure where the women in power? Im not saying its not so but take a look at your self first.


 


Is it true that in the Qurans account of creation either Eve wasnt made from Adams rib or was it that Eve didnt convince Adam to eat the apple or something? I might be wrong I just remember going to hear an Imam speak on it and was rebutting some dickheads question about Islam being sexist.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2008 - 11:59PM #9
Esseljay
Posts: 7

Oct 06, 2008 - 05:00PM, Demandred wrote:


Muhammad had sex with just about anyone he pleased, thanks to Allah's remarkable interest in his personal sex life.


Muhammad was married to eleven women at one time, relegating them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night.  He married a 9-year-old girl and even his adopted son's wife.  On top of that Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his own armies.


So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.


 



  1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.

  2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.

  3. This Hubal was a moon god.

  4. One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
    About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)

  5. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".

  6. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.

  7. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".

  8. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".

  9. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.

  10. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.

  11. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.




 


Well, actually, being that I'm a muslim and all, I can tell you that Muhammad only had 4 wives at one time, by name: Khadijah, Aisha, Fatima, and Zainab. Zainab, like a few others, passed away shortly after her marriage to Muhammad so all that 11 wives crap can go somewhere, as people today are in and out of relationships and marriages, Muhammad was only with 4 at one time, as the rules of the religion state.


 


Allah, is a term, meaning God. I don't even have to go into it, that's point blank. Arabs who would worship fire called fire Allah, it just means GOD. Allah, has designated 99 names/attributes for himself which I won't list, because, there's 99 of them, and you don't seem like the kind who reads much, just listens to a bunch of bull ish you know?


Maybe you should sit down and read how islam really came about, it has nothing to do with the moon. lol, our calendar is lunar, but that's it.


*slap* I don't like you.

2 months ago  ::  Oct 07, 2008 - 12:01AM #10
Esseljay
Posts: 7

Oct 06, 2008 - 08:23PM, Everything is Everything wrote:


As someone who was brought up a Catholic I got mad love for Islam and the Muslim community. Some of y'all are the most dedicated followers God/Allah has!!!! Praying 5 times a day that should be commended, fasting and even the 'idea' of Sharia law. While I dont agree with some of the laws themsleves, the fact that you dont seperate church and state, and have God in your schools more so than the rest of the west I gotta respect.


 


Dont listen to old mate saying Islam is sexist (I know you wouldnt), no Christian or Jew for that matter has the right to call another one sexist. Christians 'let he who is free of sin cast the first stone'. All of you guys have the same structure where the women in power? Im not saying its not so but take a look at your self first.


 


Is it true that in the Qurans account of creation either Eve wasnt made from Adams rib or was it that Eve didnt convince Adam to eat the apple or something? I might be wrong I just remember going to hear an Imam speak on it and was rebutting some dickheads question about Islam being sexist.




 


Mad love to you. The qurans story of creation is that Eve (Hawa) WAS made from the rib of Adam. And the whispers of the devil is what convinced him to eat the forbidden fruit.

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