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  • Re: Ones Gotta Go: All Around Player

    _God_ wrote: »
    How Scottie pippen has 8 votes shows how some ppl on here do not know about basketball

    Scottie is forever Robin to those that don't know. His game was amazing and he gets no credit unless it's to compliment Michael.
    _God_Intelligent_Hoodlum Crude_
  • Re: Lebron will retire with 4 rings , that trumps kobes 5 rings

    *Looks at thread title, clicks on thread* hahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahahaha *leaves thread*

    I know. It's funny cuz LeBron only needs to win one with Cleveland to be the GOAT. Kobe is not in the conversation hahaha.
    KamPushMe_God_DR. JEK
  • Re: Lebron will retire with 4 rings , that trumps kobes 5 rings

    Peace_79 wrote: »
    Nah bruh. There is some distance between the two

    As great a player as Pippen was, he always had Jordan while sustaining that level of play.

    Imagine Pip as your #1 option...

    How many rings would that team have?
    Hell - How many births would they have in the Conference Finals?

    You mean like in 1994 when entire Bulls squad's defensive rating and shooting percentage went up, the Bulls only lost 2 more games than the year before, and Pippen was 3rd in MVP voting only to Hakeem and David Robinson and was the All Star game MVP? If not for that awful call that cost the Bulls game 5 in the series against the Knicks, Pippen probably would have taken the Bulls all the way to a title.

    Yes Pippen only sustained his great level of play with Jordan around... Like when he averaged 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 steals against the Lakers in the 2000 Western Conference Finals at age 34...

    I think some people here are seriously underrating Scottie Pippen.



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  • Re: Let's End The Debate: Kareem Abdul Jabbar vs Michael Jordan


    /thread this cat old enough to see both play unlike these other dudes on here

    And not one person in here made a case for kareem being better they mentioned the usual media,wheaties,nike marketing trash talking points and got sonned with facts

    Several points have been made for Kareem and no one is getting bodied with facts. You just keep ignoring them and only want to focus on Jordan's scoring and the media shit- and even then you keep minimizing the media stuff like it's not relevant. It's extremely relevant in addition to the numbers.

    You could really use a course in media effects son. The Agenda Setting Theory, the Hypodermic Needle Theory, and the Spiral of Silence have all been heavily employed in the making and defending of Jordan as the GOAT.
    JusDre313
  • Re: Let's End The Debate: Kareem Abdul Jabbar vs Michael Jordan


    There's a lot more variables involved in those other sports, ok so you think winning shouldn't mean everything well Jordan's stats in 15 seasons are more impressive than Kareem's in 20

    I don't necessarily disagree with this. But what about Russell being 11 for 13 with an 8-peat and 2 chips as a player coach? Why does no one talk about him as the GOAT if it's about winning it all? Literally no one has come close to these numbers. I mean the Finals MVP is NAMED after him...
    Jordan's stats in the playoffs when it mattered most in are more impressive, intangibles go to Jordan as well, 6 rings 6 MVP's to Kareem's 2 which means Jordan knew how to get the most out of his teammates, Kareem was carried to most of his, as a collective stats/rings/intangibles/impact Jordan trumps all period

    See when you get into intangibles, you start inducing qualities based on the ring logic. The MVP award does not infer that you got the most out of your teammates. Andre Iguodala got the Finals MVP award last year because he put a significant lock on LeBron James and shifted the momentum of the entire series through his defense. Iggy didn't carry anyone- he just performed the one task that no one else could do and shined in his moment.

    Anyone that objectively watched basketball back then will tell you that Jordan did not make his teammates better. Yes you can argue that Jordan brought Kerr and Paxon and Longley and others along for the ride, but Jordan did not make Pippen, Rodman, Grant, or Harper any better through his play. Jordan was a high volume shooter and scorer and made the most impact of everyone on the scoreboard, ON TOP of the fact that he was also a great perimeter defender. It was the combination of his amazing play on both sides of the court and the fact that his team won the finals that made him the MVP every time. He was the best player on the best team and owned in most of his finals series.

    As for Kareem, in his later years, he did have a great cast, including a fellow top 5 player on his squad that was his point guard in Magic and another top 50 player as his forward in Worthy. The Lakers, especially with Magic, played much more selfless ball than the Bulls, so Kareem seldom needed to dominate to guarantee victory. Even in his last year, when the Pistons swept the Lakers in the finals, Kareem was averaging 12/5/2 on 26 minutes a game. He was hardly being "carried," even at 41 years old.



    DaBull