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  • Best Drake "Time Zone" Song: 5 AM Toronto vs 9 AM Dallas vs 6 PM NY

    Drake - 5AM In Toronto (Official Video)


    Drake - 9 AM in Dallas


    Drake - 6 PM In New York
    YamoleySensei
  • Better Lyricist: Lupe Fiasco vs Nas

    Choose Wisely.
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  • Re: Drake is a Legend ....

    So 6 pages and I have yet to see a post explaining Drake's legendary status without posting album sales.

    Since we are using shitty analogies to further points, Soulja Boy a legend too.
    good one.

    Sion wrote: »
    Drake is not bigger than 50, Nelly, Ja or Luda if you look at the full numbers,I can also throw T.I. in that mix too. Now I would put Drake in there bracket but I can't put him over none of those rappers I named. All he's really done is release more singles than them. But notice, Drake has only had 1 #1 on the Hot 100 and that was a Rihanna feature. Meanwhile:

    Nelly: 4 #1's on the Hot 100
    50 Cent: 4 #1's on the hot 100
    Ja Rule: 3 #1's on the Hot 100
    Ludacris: 5 #1's on Hot 100
    T.I.: 4 #1's on the Hot 100

    This shows you the impact they had NATION WIDE not just on the rap and rnb charts which all those artist did well on also. Yes Drake has the most #1's on the Rap and RnB Charts for a rapper. That's a great accomplishment. But outside that is where he falls short on the Impact Vs these guys I just mentioned. Also Let's look at the Album sales:

    TML - 1.5 Million
    TC - 2 Million
    NWTS - 1.5 Million

    Mixtapes
    SFSG - Gold
    IYRTITL - (It's going Platinum but no much higher)

    Basically his fanbase is consistent but it's not increasing. He's moving units there's no doubt but so many rappers have done that already and were bigger in Album success including Nelly and 50 at there peaks were outselling POP stars at there height. "Country Grammer" 9x Platinum, his debut and he was still moving units 6 years into his career. Ja Rule Dominated the POP charts and took J-Lo's career to new heights and he was SINGING AND RAPPING something Drake like to act like he succeeded at doing first (Missy, Bone, L-Boogie etc) Ludacris has 5 #1 singles. I mean damn.

    All of these guys have 4 Platinum albums or more. Just about where Drake is at. So what happens next? Can he sustain it? We will see. Also please spare me (Oh he's ruling for 6 years). Rap is way different now. During the Hey Day there was just way to much competition for anyone to rule forever. He has his support and that's clear by the numbers. But again he hasn't done anything new in terms of overall success. Look at these rappers from there 1st certified album to there last certified albums:


    Ja Rule (99-2004) (Last certified album 2004, 5 years)
    Ludacris (99-2010) (Last certified album 2010, 11 years)
    Nelly (00-08) (Last certified album 2008, 8 years)
    50 Cent (2003-2009) (Last certified album 2009, 6 Years)
    T.I. (2003-2012) (Last certified album 2012, 11 years)


    Also when you look inside those #1 singles at least 50% were features. There's nothing wrong with that but let's not act like Drake when #1 all on his own. Is he successful? Yes. Legend? After 6 years? Tupac and Biggie were, 20 years later we are still listening to there music, so that's why we know there are Legends . Drake isn't there yet, let him grow and we will see. But as of 2015, even throwing in the billboard stats, it isn't enough. Also if "Take Care" is going to be the "Classic" album you guys put up for him. He's really going to have a hard time competing with the All Time Greats. The bar is set really high for Rap Legends. There's a reason for that. So again Tupac and Biggie were both Legends after the same years Drake has been in the game. Ask yourself again? Is he a Legend? Don't see it sorry.
    With ya logic of album sales, Wilt Chamberlain is a better basketball player than Lebron cause he could average more points in certain season and in a game.. I'm sure in 2002 downloading full albums weeks prior to their release and bootlegging was at a all time high with their Napster.. I tell you one thing though...they aint selling as many albums as Drake now minus the chosen few as jay-Z or Eminem.

    You have to take into account that sooner or later A$AP Rocky, Kendrick Lamar, J.Cole and them are going to catch him sales wise. I mean it's not like he's going 4x platinum +. GKMC is at about 1.5 mil, second album likely gonna go 2x plat and if he use the Dr.Dre cheat code album 3 will prolly sell Drake's career. I think in rap it's better to have grown a fanbase versus just having them out the gate. What 50, Nelly and others go to show you is that a lot of those fans were bandwagon fans who've now jumped on the next rappers' jocks. Can Drake sustain those numbers ? I think Kendrick and J.Cole gonna be putting numbers on the board just now watch.

    I'm not denying that Drake's successful but I think he still has a way to go before he we can give him that title of legendary or Top 5 GOAT. When he does something to change the game then I'll cosign him right beside you fam.

    It's beyond numbers. There were always dudes who outsold Jay between 1996-2006, but Jay-Z's consistency, not business acumen, had him highly regarded, over a substantial period of time.

    We got Drake consistently giving you hit records, remixes, verses, tracks sounding like Drake feat Drake, influences over current artists such as Logic, Gambino, JCole, etc etc. Go on youtube and you can find a hundred artists and producers with a "Drake type beat", falsely labeling songs by Drake trying to sound like a rip off of Drake. I ain't even going to get in his influence in battle rap via KOTD since 2011 b4 it became quasi mainstreamish. Tyga got you wearing snapbacks like the 80s n early 90s, and Drake got you wearing sweatshirts from that sane time period and recalling them casual crewnecks since he put an owl on it.

    Turn on ya radio. Turn on ya radio next year and look at this thread, two years after that. If he's doing anything remotely in the near future as he is now, it will be harder and harder to not eventually give him that benefit of the doubt.

    At the end of the day, we don't gave a clear definition of a what a legend is in hip hop so it all will come down to opinion anyway.

    Funny thing is if he WANTED TO, I'm sure he could just get that acting money and call it day, but hip hop/rnb is this guys OBSESSION N PASSION, and right now he's benefitting off his hard work and talent to go with it despite his perceived "character defects" or lack of masculinity as a black/mulatto (wtf did I type?) In hip hop.

    Yall want a thug or a black militant repping your culture but 90% of you had a life too good or privileged to relate to your ideal hip hop "legend". Niggas wanna be hard without being that hard themselves as compensation because they forget you can be a man and "soft enough" at the same time.

    Most of yall been fucking with soft jerry curled hair niggas since the 80s anyhow...suckas.
    Peezy_JenkinsSoloman_The_Wise
  • Re: Drake is a Legend ....

    Drake is not bigger than 50, Nelly, Ja or Luda if you look at the full numbers,I can also throw T.I. in that mix too. Now I would put Drake in there bracket but I can't put him over none of those rappers I named. All he's really done is release more singles than them. But notice, Drake has only had 1 #1 on the Hot 100 and that was a Rihanna feature. Meanwhile:

    Nelly: 4 #1's on the Hot 100
    50 Cent: 4 #1's on the hot 100
    Ja Rule: 3 #1's on the Hot 100
    Ludacris: 5 #1's on Hot 100
    T.I.: 4 #1's on the Hot 100

    This shows you the impact they had NATION WIDE not just on the rap and rnb charts which all those artist did well on also. Yes Drake has the most #1's on the Rap and RnB Charts for a rapper. That's a great accomplishment. But outside that is where he falls short on the Impact Vs these guys I just mentioned. Also Let's look at the Album sales:

    TML - 1.5 Million
    TC - 2 Million
    NWTS - 1.5 Million

    Mixtapes
    SFSG - Gold
    IYRTITL - (It's going Platinum but no much higher)

    Basically his fanbase is consistent but it's not increasing. He's moving units there's no doubt but so many rappers have done that already and were bigger in Album success including Nelly and 50 at there peaks were outselling POP stars at there height. "Country Grammer" 9x Platinum, his debut and he was still moving units 6 years into his career. Ja Rule Dominated the POP charts and took J-Lo's career to new heights and he was SINGING AND RAPPING something Drake like to act like he succeeded at doing first (Missy, Bone, L-Boogie etc) Ludacris has 5 #1 singles. I mean damn.

    All of these guys have 4 Platinum albums or more. Just about where Drake is at. So what happens next? Can he sustain it? We will see. Also please spare me (Oh he's ruling for 6 years). Rap is way different now. During the Hey Day there was just way to much competition for anyone to rule forever. He has his support and that's clear by the numbers. But again he hasn't done anything new in terms of overall success. Look at these rappers from there 1st certified album to there last certified albums:


    Ja Rule (99-2004) (Last certified album 2004, 5 years)
    Ludacris (99-2010) (Last certified album 2010, 11 years)
    Nelly (00-08) (Last certified album 2008, 8 years)
    50 Cent (2003-2009) (Last certified album 2009, 6 Years)
    T.I. (2003-2012) (Last certified album 2012, 11 years)


    Also when you look inside those #1 singles at least 50% were features. There's nothing wrong with that but let's not act like Drake when #1 all on his own. Is he successful? Yes. Legend? After 6 years? Tupac and Biggie were, 20 years later we are still listening to there music, so that's why we know there are Legends . Drake isn't there yet, let him grow and we will see. But as of 2015, even throwing in the billboard stats, it isn't enough. Also if "Take Care" is going to be the "Classic" album you guys put up for him. He's really going to have a hard time competing with the All Time Greats. The bar is set really high for Rap Legends. There's a reason for that. So again Tupac and Biggie were both Legends after the same years Drake has been in the game. Ask yourself again? Is he a Legend? Don't see it sorry.
    With ya logic of album sales, Wilt Chamberlain is a better basketball player than Lebron cause he could average more points in certain season and in a game.. I'm sure in 2002 downloading full albums weeks prior to their release and bootlegging was at a all time high with their Napster.. I tell you one thing though...they aint selling as many albums as Drake now minus the chosen few as jay-Z or Eminem.
    Freeman......Soloman_The_WiseKamPushMe
  • Re: Drake is a Legend ....

    Platinum. Got em.
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