JDSTAYWITIT. wrote: »

desertrain10 wrote: »

lol never said this was a song that was intended to bash me or any other black person...dont know where u got that from

quotedesertrain10 wrote: »

he is also commenting on how we are complicit in it hence ye repeating the line "we the new slaves"

Hmm ...something here dosent add up ..he's calling "people" out for being complicit & slave like as you say... But yet he's at the same damn time not bashing anyone? ..as you also say.... Because you know ... Calling someone complicit and slave like are such endeering terms? ...right ... I gotcha...

I will give you this tho ...based on this post alone ...if anybody knows about a good contradiction .. It would be yourself.

Lol....guess me and everyone else besides you are wrong though...smh

This is some of the weakest itellectualy dishonest shit I've ever read (you better check them reaction buttons baby and get your facts straight if you want to come with this gibberish) ..but I'll allow you to humor me... So the old majority rules rationale right? ...well a majority of people voted bush back into office for a second term I suppose by yor logic "they" were right ...correct? I mean majority rules right? you know that worked out so well ...

A majority of people thought the world was flat at one point ...according to desertrains logic ... Those niggas was spot on right .... I mean you know ....majority rules right?

Lol ... This shit it comical ..

Listen ... My arguement in this situation is more logical than your argument ... That's why I'm right ... Not because someone cosigns me ... And you brining up some nonsense about "majority rules" ... which isnt wven accurate in this case only furthers that point..

endeering terms? what is this you speak of?.... lol

and bruh no one in this thread has posted anything disputing that the lyrics of the song has strong anti-consumerism, anti materialistic undertones but you. nevamind the reaction buttons....is that of great importance or even relevant to our discussion? no...i just find it funny and thought i should point that out

complicit may have been too strong a word. but again from my pov i don't think ye was bashing black people in particular ...he himself admitted that he is also a " new slave" hence the world "we", and the last couple of lines of the first verse he says " All you blacks want all the same things/ Used to only be niggas now everybody play me Spending everything on Alexander Wang" ...

again for me the song was a critique of the powers that be that seek to control and exploit us while we little people (including ye lol) accept what we are given because we are all under the spell of materialism ...

i dunno how else to explain it... let's agree to disagree ...i like ye's earlier music...he's a great artist...though he spits some truth just feel he's comes off as fake and disingenuous sometimes, especially when listening to "new slaves" considering he rides around in million dollar cars and has ties with many of corporations that seek to exploit me and my mine... i really don't think he cares about you or the prisoners that fill up our prisons just the mighty dollar, which is cool ...the whole i waste my time and money on bullshit yet im trying to change my ways schtick from ye is getting old ....and also the song is meh

smh @ me for wasting time arguing with you on what that dick head actually meant...*shrugs*

The Hypocritical Kanye West and His Role in Producing Today's 'New Slaves'

Everyone has that one cousin in the family that never tends to shut up at the dinner table.

They complain about how the world is wicked and how all of us are just pawns in the middle of it. Some of what they say is enlightening, insightful, and makes sense. Yet, a lot of it gets mumbled in between blatant disrespectful rants and overblown ignorance. When it comes to hip-hop and mainstream music, that cousin would be Kanye West.

When I heard that his new single entitled "New Slaves" was being blasted on the screens of 66 walls of major cities around the world, all I could say was "oh, boy." As talented as Mr. West has been as a producer and recording artist, I find that many of his antics are just a cry out for attention in a state of anger and hysteria. There is no doubt that his lyrics speak various levels of truth, but there is also a level of disconnection I get from the way he goes about it.

When I finally heard the new track, I was pissed to say the very least. Sure, Kanye points out the issues that take root with modern-day racism. Sure, being a black man in America myself, I can resonate with some of his lyrics in that song. However, when I think about the concept of "New Slaves" and the larger audience of listeners that will hear it, there comes a new profound hypocrisy that Mr. West is responsible for.

For starters, Mr. West will profit from a song about how many of his fellow black peers are suffering in America. And how much of that money is actually going into something that strives to help eradicate the problem? If not financially, will Kanye actually go out and start an activist movement to help fix some of these ills? Probably not, because he will most likely be on tour to collect residuals and proceeds off of us "connecting" with an artist who lives a life most of us don't.

And on the topic of racism, Kanye rants "Fu*k you and your corporation/Y'all ni**as can't control me." Yes, the self proclaimed "Louis Vuiton Don" uses the same derogatory racist term as a reference to the very people he wants to define as the controllers. If this isn't backwards thinking, I don't know what is. It is hypocritical to speak on the very ills of racism when at the same time appealing to the very non-black audience you later criticize as being such. Anyone remember "Ni**as in Paris"? When going on the Watch the Throne tour and performing before crowds that were predominately non-black, how could Kanye promote the usage of the n-word and later complain about how modern-day racism still exists? If anything, Kanye is perpetuating the false idea that the n-word does not contain the same level of racism as it did back in the days when "they wouldn't be satisfied unless I picked the cotton myself."

Furthermore, this idea of black materialistic adoration is fueled by Kanye West's very own efforts as well. Just as much as Mr. West speaks on issues such as racism and the paparazzi, he also does not hesitate to remind the rest of the world of his flashy accessories and massive wealth. And yet that is "rich ni**a racism"...the ability to feel the need to go in the store and be told "What you want a Bentley, fur coat and diamond chain?/All you blacks want all the same things"? However, these are the very same things the hip-hop industry continues to perpetuate as "The Good Life."

And to further the lack of respect to race, Kanye belabors us to remember "an era when/Clean water was only served to the fairer skin." Yet, Kanye himself continues to perpetuate the mentality of self-inflicted racial colorism in his lyrics. In "Power," Kayne couldn't help but take notice that there were some "light skinned girls and some Kelly Rowlands" further continuing the demotion of darker skinned women of color. And it does not help to add that he continues to exercise the exploitation of the black female body and use misogynist lyrics in his songs. Referring to the future mother of your child as "My Perfect B**ch" does not help the cause.

And why do I resent Kanye's music? For some of the various reasons why I find it at times enlightening, he is smart. Unlike many rappers in hip-hop who are obvious industry pinheads just trying to cash into the bank, Kanye West knows more. Yet, that is perhaps the very problem: he knows more and yet does nothing to actually fix the problem. As much as my cousin would complain about the streets he lived on, he actually did nothing in actually helping. What is worse on Kanye's part is that he has a massive influential audience and yet he does nothing but continue to perpetuate the same negative stereotypes and misfortunes that he complains about.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ernest-owens/kanye-west-new-slaves_b_3300051.html?utm_hp_ref=black-voices



interesting article.....don't totally agree with everything that was said but he does make some good points

don't get me wrong, while ye's lyrics could come off as being contradictory the same could be said of a lot of artists, "conscious" rappers, however considering ye's clout and influence within the industry and around the world its fair imho that his actions or lack their of are scrutinized even more

any thoughts?

JDSTAYWITIT. wrote: »

desertrain10 wrote: »

JDSTAYWITIT. wrote: »

Niggas just don't know how on interpret lyrics anymore ... And then they feed into hack ass media stories like the one dude posted and run with the shit.. Smhh


If you think anything in this song is about kanye condeming black Americans consumption your buggin ... Only thing he did was give examples of racist ideology then he sarcastically mocked what one o these types of people would say when he said "hat you want a Bentley fur coat a new chain" .... That's not him speaking in first person bruh.. C'mon now ... That's him mocking how others generalize blacks ...

I really do t be knowing what niggas are Doug when they listen to music these days ... Niggas need to read lyrics ..

Lol

The title "new slave", marketing of the new music, the imagery he used during his performance on snl allign with everything I said

Throughout the song he points out how even though soceity partcularly the clothing industry, corporations at large still views/protrays blks in a negative light (i.e. as theives), once you get alil money and influence u still a nigga and the powers that be still expect u to buy and promote their shit to other blks perpetuating the slave cycle and simultaneously funding the industrial prison complex which seeks to lock blk men up

Man what the fuck are you talking about? Lol



The title new slave is explained in the song bozo

"They trying to lock niggas up
They tryna make NEW SLAVES"



Just stop dog ....serious.... matter fact ill stop .. The nigga tells you what he means by "new slaves" In the damn lyrics ..and for some reason tho you decide to skip right past that and create your own interpretation based off of nothin the song is taking about and write this bullshit above me?

Yeah man ...some of y'all listeners need to stick to some more easily digestible concepts when it comes to this music shit.

first i'm black ...also i'm a woman... and yes stop with the insults not the best way to win an argument
with that said now let's look at the lyrics of the first verse...


You see it's broke nigga racism
That's that "Don't touch anything in the store"
And this rich nigga racism
That's that "Come here, please buy more"
What you want, a Bentley? Fur coat? A diamond chain?
All you blacks want all the same things
Used to only be niggas now everybody playing
Spending everything on Alexander Wang
New Slaves

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lol....what do you think he meant by that? why do you think he emphasized the phrase "new slaves" at the end of the verse? smh. let me further break it down for you

ye tackles racism, being broke and not being able to "touch anything in the store" and now being rich and encouraged to "buy more. not only that he's saying all the kids want to spend their money on high end fashion but they do so to their own detriment... also one could argue ye was asserting that it’s the whips and chains, and material possessions that many in the black community long after that’s still keeping black people in a modern slavery (peep "Chain Heavy")



Y’all throwing contracts at me/You know that niggas can’t read.....Throw him some Maybach keys....Fuck it, c’est la vie...I know that we the new slaves/Y’all niggas can’t fuck with me

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its thoughts on artists becoming slaves to corporations for the almighty dollar


yes the third verse ye is commenting on the the prison industrial complex, which disproportionately jails young men of color to fill state budget holes and enrich private corporations making these young men the "new slaves". but throughout the song he's not just pointing figures at the corporations he's also commenting on how people are now becoming slaves to materialistic things/corporate dollar ... bruh from the imagery he used during his performance all the way down to the use of the phrase " we the new slave" its all there...

and i implied ye was whining because obviously dude knows and been knew he was apart of the problem ( listen to "All Falls Down", "Chain Heavy") yet to this day he continues to live and promote this extravagant lifestyle all the while brown nosing the fashion and media elite ....which is why i questioned his intent/authenticity... lol

even though we have and continue to be treated like we are subhuman, we have no reason to be upset with whites and the privileges that come with being white

Black pride is not a reaction to white supremacy

Cheer up and lets pray that we will live to see this post race society.....all the while white politicans and the people who vote for them continue to uphold and support racist institutions

And lets not forget about the whites who see whats real yet remain silent

Smh

But seriously there are 3 types of white people...first theres ray the bigot, then theres Becky who goes through life on a guilt fueled mission to save every black person she comes into contact with, and then theres Sean who feels racism is largely a thing of the past and tells racially insensitive jokes around his black "friends"

Lol...fuck em all

Man assaults Muslim woman following reports of ‘dark-skinned’ Boston bombing suspect
By David Edwards
Thursday, April 18, 2013 15:21 EDT

A Muslim woman in Boston says that she was attacked by a white man on on Wednesday morning because he was apparently enraged by the Boston Marathon bombings and convinced, despite a lack of evidence, that the perpetrators were Muslim.

Heba Abolaban told Malden Patch that she and her friend, who were both wearing hijabs, were walking on Commercial Street with their children when a white male in his thirties punched her in her left shoulder.

“He was screaming ‘Fuck you Muslims! You are terrorists! I hate you! You are involved in the Boston explosions! Fuck you!’” she recalled. “Oh my lord, I was extremely shocked.”

“I did not say anything to him,” she added. “Not even that we aren’t terrorists… he was so aggressive.”

After about two minutes of confrontation, the man left and Abolaban called her husband and police.

She said the police were “kind and helpful,” but no arrests had been made.

The attack came the same day that CNN falsely reported that a “dark-skinned male” had been arrested in connection to the Boston Marathon bombings, and the day before the The New York Post published a photo of a “person of interest” with dark skin — who turned out to be Moroccan-American high school track runner.

Since Tuesday, two police officers have been stationed outside the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center, the city’s largest mosque. Wayland Police Chief Robert Irving has also offered additional support to the Islamic Center of Boston.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/18/man-assaults-muslim-woman-following-reports-of-dark-skinned-boston-bombing-suspect/

^^^^^

i dunno if someone already posted this story or if its true, but i wouldn't put it pass bostonians.... smh

and dude was a bitch for punching her in the shoulder ...