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  • Re: Ladies, do you find that hip hop and rnb are getting more disrespectful?

    JokerzWyld wrote: »
    Any woman who feels disrespected and/or offended by hip hop is weak-minded. I say this for three reasons.

    1. No artist has ever referred to ALL women by pejorative terms (hoe, slut, bitch, etc.). Therefore it's safe to assume that those terms are used to refer to females that fit those characteristics. Such terms, if not applicable, shouldn't offend.

    2. Hip Hop nor the artists thereof necessarily make music for women. In fact, it's a male-dominated genre that speaks to a male audience from a male perspective. Some argue that that's misogynistic, however, how many songs and genres of music have been dedicated to women? Even hip hop songs have been dedicated to uplift women at times.

    3. Women, like male fans of hip hop, choose to consume this brand of alleged "mainstream hip hop" and, therefore, are to blame for it's popularity. Many hip hop artists don't make songs denigrating women of any class, but they don't get supported. Some hip hop artists can make singles that don't mention women at all, and they are ignored by many.

    If you disagree, fine. What you should do is write radio and music industry executives and tell them to change the content of the music they play and manufacture. See what their responses are.

    Weak?

    So in defense of the misogny present in mainstream hip-hop, you dismiss or belittle women for taking offense...Word? Lol. That's pretty sexist of you

    As for the other points you made. ..

    1. I think for many, it’s not that words like "bitch" or "hoe" are necessarily the problem, but the power behind these words....Traditionally these terms have been used to demean women, and emasculate men.

    So naturally when a woman hears the words bitch or hoe, especially out the mouth of a man, it can serve as a reminder that as an opinionated womn or a sexual woman or a woman who is not interested in appeasing men you are not going to be as socially accepted as your male counterparts. You are a bad person.

    Obviously thats not good. We than have to ask what message does that convey to a young impressionable boy or girl

    Than since women are not inherently “bitches" another problem with its usage is that we can never differentiate properly on who “deserves” the title and who does not


    2. Artist make music with a certain audience in mind, not sure how the discounts my feelings as a woman hearing something many would consider misogynistic. We don't live in a bubble. Than there's the misogny in RnB

    3. Yes we all share some accountability. The artist, the labels, record execs and the consumer.

    With that said, I grew up on hip hop. But the older I get the less mainstream music including hip hop appeals to me.

    I can barely stomach watching some rap videos
    A Talented OneBrother_FiveYoung Stef
  • Re: SC pig flips over & then slams a young black girl in class for being "verbally disruptive"...


    Wow

    That shit is sickening

    The cradle to prison to pipeline on full display

    Hope it helps to shine a light on how girls of color, and especially black girls, are subject to discipline that is harsher and more frequent than that of their white peers

    Black girls are six times more likely to be suspended than white girls. The racial disparities in punishment are greater for girls than for boys

    http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/13/384005652/study-black-girls-are-being-pushed-out-of-school

    I was going to agree with u until I saw that bullshit at the bolded

    man I swear u just refuse to be a teamplayer :(

    Bruh

    I'm the ultimate team player...I'm black before anything

    Just stating facts

    Not like it's not relevant to the discussion

    And I sincerely hope these incidents garners more attention to the issues facing blk girls which are rarely if ever discussed at length or at great depth

    u got to be trolling if u truly believe girls experience more racial disparities in school in regards to punishment more than boys

    u can't be serious when there are way too many other factors that intentionally push boys out of the educational system way more than girls

    the graduation rates alone are a boldface sign that black females don't catch it worse than black males

    http://www.cepr.net/documents/black-hs-grad-rates-2015-03.pdf

    stop trying to make all ur victimization arguments gender based :(


    What? Lol

    Fall back

    Multiple studies have concluded that black girls face much harsher school discipline than their white peers

    The study I posted found that blk girls are 6x more likely to be suspended than white girls for similar offenses

    While blk boys are 3x as likely to be suspended than white boys for similar offenses

    This is not to suggest blk boys aren't discriminated against ...they are....and I agree boys are pushed out of the educational system way more than girls

    The problem is that the fact that black girls face much harsher school discipline than their white peers is often overlooked in school reform efforts

    Here's an excerpt from another article:

    Girls Face Specific Challenges

    Despite data pointing to unequal discipline of black female students, Crenshaw says little effort has been put into focusing on achievement and discipline problems that girls face.

    “The focus on girls is dreadfully lacking and it actually creates what I call a cycle of misinformation and exclusion,” said Crenshaw.

    She says that girls, and black girls specifically, are often not included in research agendas or public policy discussion because of an incorrect assumption that they “are doing OK.” Crenshaw cites recent initiatives including My Brother’s Keeper and Boston’s Opportunity and Equity report as examples of programs that focus on racial achievement, but do not include girls in their scope.

    The exclusion, she says, leads to less information and therefore fewer opportunities to intervene where necessary.

    “On the rare occasion where there is a founder or a partner who wants to focus on girls, the information that is available to them to help them think about what kinds of programs might work … just doesn’t exist,” said Crenshaw. She says any set of interventions designed to advanced the well being of youth of color should take both boys and girls into consideration.

    http://learninglab.wbur.org/2015/02/11/report-black-girls-face-disproportionate-punishment-in-boston-schools/
    Dirty Sanchez
  • Re: SC pig flips over & then slams a young black girl in class for being "verbally disruptive"...

    Wow

    That shit is sickening

    The cradle to prison to pipeline on full display

    Hope it helps to shine a light on how girls of color, and especially black girls, are subject to discipline that is harsher and more frequent than that of their white peers

    Black girls are six times more likely to be suspended than white girls. The racial disparities in punishment are greater for girls than for boys

    http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/13/384005652/study-black-girls-are-being-pushed-out-of-school

    I was going to agree with u until I saw that bullshit at the bolded

    man I swear u just refuse to be a teamplayer :(

    Bruh

    I'm the ultimate team player...I'm black before anything

    Just stating facts

    Not like it's not relevant to the discussion

    And I sincerely hope these incidents garners more attention to the issues facing blk girls which are rarely if ever discussed at length or at great depth

    Dirty Sanchez
  • Re: Girl harassed online by men for ten years - chronicles abuse on Instagram

    This is not something she had to endure for 10 fucking years though.

    FACT
    When does the LIFETIME movie come out so i remember to forget about it

    Lol

    She purposely "endured" this treatment

    She was semi conducting a social experiment to highlight the harrassement women receive online and it's frequency

    Regardless, it still unacceptable behavior on part of the ones making the offensive comments...why can't we focus on that?

    Before you start, the prevalence and frequency of such behavior somewhat contradicts the narrative that this is just ppl trolling on the internet or that these are isolated incidents committed by crazies or w/e

    So what exactly would you like to come from this? She might have gotten 100 bad comments. How many comments weren't bad? How many guys saw her page and didn't comment? What percentage of the guys that viewed her page left bad comments? 50%? 5%? .5%? Other than drawing more attention to herself, what exactly did she accomplish besides proving that there are some creeps out there and that a lot of people on the internet have no filter. So what would you like us as a society to do now that she's proven something everyone already knew. Implement means for women to avoid such harassment? Those already exist. She chose to forego using them. Stop people from being creeps? People like that have existed for all of human history, but if you have a way of fixing such a long lived problem, please share it. Punish people for being rude on the net? Never going to happen and not even possible. What do you want? Bad people exist. Females seem to dislike that fact beyond all reason, so what should we do to eliminate any and everything that might offend or violate women? And remember your solution can't require any effort on women's parts at all since apparently it's wrong to suggest that a woman use the means to avoid such unpleasantness that were put in place for that very reason.

    Could start by treating sexist comments and other manifestations of sexism we encounter online and offline the same way if it were something race related

    i.e. shaming that person, calling that person's job, flagging posts, challenging that person's beliefs, not encouraging the behavior, etc

    Depending on the offense obviously

    Bad people people are always going to exist, doesn't mean we should not attempt to discourage anti-social behaviors

    And we could do so without asking victims of said behavior to alter their behavior or give up there rights especially when they've done nothing wrong





    I do @ the bold. I expect her to do the same thing I do every time I get called a nigger after whipping some white boy's ass on the PS4. Laugh at it and move on.

    And we don't suggest people block jackasses or use private settings because we want to punish them. We do it because we're rational human beings and know its a lot easier to do that than it is to eliminate all creeps from the human race. That said I do understand feminists aren't big on rational thinking or behavior.

    Lol@ you ignoring the rest of my post

    And it's not like some posters have not suggested she just log off ...which is essentially telling her to get off the internet and the obvious option

    So maybe one should than consider maybe she doesn't feel as though should have to deprive herself in order not to be harrassed ...and that maybe just maybe if she exposes what these men post ppl will begin to speak out against this behavior same as we as a society do when someone says something racially sensitive

    For ex, a poster could post something one may consider racist and everyone is at their neck...zzombie threatened to" fuck some sense " into me or somebody makes a misogynist remark mainly crickets....

    And than once you block one person it's not like you can predict whose these comments are going to be coming from next... mind as well log off is that's the case

    I will admit though it is illogical for me to attempt to have a real, adult discussion on the IC...time and time again, you and others prove it to be close to impossible

    deadeye
  • Re: Louis Farrakhan Says Jay-Z Should Keep Beyonce Covered, Chaos Erupts On Twitter

    SMH @ all these chicks constantly whining about society (i.e. men) are always sexualizing and objectifying and then turning around and whining because a Muslim minister suggests that maybe one of the most influential women in the public eye refrain from dressing in an overly sexual manner.

    I don't get it. Should we stopping wanting chicks walking around with shit hanging out or should we applaud them for doing it. These women need to pick a side and stick with it.

    When I see beyonce perform I see a singer and great performer who is comfortable with her sexuality and can tell a story without speaking

    The problem is we live culture in which too many people seem to find it difficult to understand that it is possible to simultaneously find a woman sexually attractive and treat/view her like a full human being deserving of basic respect

    Rarely if at all see conservatives or whoever attacking male entertainers for being celebrating their sexuality
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