JDSTAYWITIT. wrote: »

desertrain10 wrote: »

JDSTAYWITIT. wrote: »

Niggas just don't know how on interpret lyrics anymore ... And then they feed into hack ass media stories like the one dude posted and run with the shit.. Smhh


If you think anything in this song is about kanye condeming black Americans consumption your buggin ... Only thing he did was give examples of racist ideology then he sarcastically mocked what one o these types of people would say when he said "hat you want a Bentley fur coat a new chain" .... That's not him speaking in first person bruh.. C'mon now ... That's him mocking how others generalize blacks ...

I really do t be knowing what niggas are Doug when they listen to music these days ... Niggas need to read lyrics ..

Lol

The title "new slave", marketing of the new music, the imagery he used during his performance on snl allign with everything I said

Throughout the song he points out how even though soceity partcularly the clothing industry, corporations at large still views/protrays blks in a negative light (i.e. as theives), once you get alil money and influence u still a nigga and the powers that be still expect u to buy and promote their shit to other blks perpetuating the slave cycle and simultaneously funding the industrial prison complex which seeks to lock blk men up

Man what the fuck are you talking about? Lol



The title new slave is explained in the song bozo

"They trying to lock niggas up
They tryna make NEW SLAVES"



Just stop dog ....serious.... matter fact ill stop .. The nigga tells you what he means by "new slaves" In the damn lyrics ..and for some reason tho you decide to skip right past that and create your own interpretation based off of nothin the song is taking about and write this bullshit above me?

Yeah man ...some of y'all listeners need to stick to some more easily digestible concepts when it comes to this music shit.

first i'm black ...also i'm a woman... and yes stop with the insults not the best way to win an argument
with that said now let's look at the lyrics of the first verse...


You see it's broke nigga racism
That's that "Don't touch anything in the store"
And this rich nigga racism
That's that "Come here, please buy more"
What you want, a Bentley? Fur coat? A diamond chain?
All you blacks want all the same things
Used to only be niggas now everybody playing
Spending everything on Alexander Wang
New Slaves

^

lol....what do you think he meant by that? why do you think he emphasized the phrase "new slaves" at the end of the verse? smh. let me further break it down for you

ye tackles racism, being broke and not being able to "touch anything in the store" and now being rich and encouraged to "buy more. not only that he's saying all the kids want to spend their money on high end fashion but they do so to their own detriment... also one could argue ye was asserting that it’s the whips and chains, and material possessions that many in the black community long after that’s still keeping black people in a modern slavery (peep "Chain Heavy")



Y’all throwing contracts at me/You know that niggas can’t read.....Throw him some Maybach keys....Fuck it, c’est la vie...I know that we the new slaves/Y’all niggas can’t fuck with me

^
its thoughts on artists becoming slaves to corporations for the almighty dollar


yes the third verse ye is commenting on the the prison industrial complex, which disproportionately jails young men of color to fill state budget holes and enrich private corporations making these young men the "new slaves". but throughout the song he's not just pointing figures at the corporations he's also commenting on how people are now becoming slaves to materialistic things/corporate dollar ... bruh from the imagery he used during his performance all the way down to the use of the phrase " we the new slave" its all there...

and i implied ye was whining because obviously dude knows and been knew he was apart of the problem ( listen to "All Falls Down", "Chain Heavy") yet to this day he continues to live and promote this extravagant lifestyle all the while brown nosing the fashion and media elite ....which is why i questioned his intent/authenticity... lol

The Hypocritical Kanye West and His Role in Producing Today's 'New Slaves'

Everyone has that one cousin in the family that never tends to shut up at the dinner table.

They complain about how the world is wicked and how all of us are just pawns in the middle of it. Some of what they say is enlightening, insightful, and makes sense. Yet, a lot of it gets mumbled in between blatant disrespectful rants and overblown ignorance. When it comes to hip-hop and mainstream music, that cousin would be Kanye West.

When I heard that his new single entitled "New Slaves" was being blasted on the screens of 66 walls of major cities around the world, all I could say was "oh, boy." As talented as Mr. West has been as a producer and recording artist, I find that many of his antics are just a cry out for attention in a state of anger and hysteria. There is no doubt that his lyrics speak various levels of truth, but there is also a level of disconnection I get from the way he goes about it.

When I finally heard the new track, I was pissed to say the very least. Sure, Kanye points out the issues that take root with modern-day racism. Sure, being a black man in America myself, I can resonate with some of his lyrics in that song. However, when I think about the concept of "New Slaves" and the larger audience of listeners that will hear it, there comes a new profound hypocrisy that Mr. West is responsible for.

For starters, Mr. West will profit from a song about how many of his fellow black peers are suffering in America. And how much of that money is actually going into something that strives to help eradicate the problem? If not financially, will Kanye actually go out and start an activist movement to help fix some of these ills? Probably not, because he will most likely be on tour to collect residuals and proceeds off of us "connecting" with an artist who lives a life most of us don't.

And on the topic of racism, Kanye rants "Fu*k you and your corporation/Y'all ni**as can't control me." Yes, the self proclaimed "Louis Vuiton Don" uses the same derogatory racist term as a reference to the very people he wants to define as the controllers. If this isn't backwards thinking, I don't know what is. It is hypocritical to speak on the very ills of racism when at the same time appealing to the very non-black audience you later criticize as being such. Anyone remember "Ni**as in Paris"? When going on the Watch the Throne tour and performing before crowds that were predominately non-black, how could Kanye promote the usage of the n-word and later complain about how modern-day racism still exists? If anything, Kanye is perpetuating the false idea that the n-word does not contain the same level of racism as it did back in the days when "they wouldn't be satisfied unless I picked the cotton myself."

Furthermore, this idea of black materialistic adoration is fueled by Kanye West's very own efforts as well. Just as much as Mr. West speaks on issues such as racism and the paparazzi, he also does not hesitate to remind the rest of the world of his flashy accessories and massive wealth. And yet that is "rich ni**a racism"...the ability to feel the need to go in the store and be told "What you want a Bentley, fur coat and diamond chain?/All you blacks want all the same things"? However, these are the very same things the hip-hop industry continues to perpetuate as "The Good Life."

And to further the lack of respect to race, Kanye belabors us to remember "an era when/Clean water was only served to the fairer skin." Yet, Kanye himself continues to perpetuate the mentality of self-inflicted racial colorism in his lyrics. In "Power," Kayne couldn't help but take notice that there were some "light skinned girls and some Kelly Rowlands" further continuing the demotion of darker skinned women of color. And it does not help to add that he continues to exercise the exploitation of the black female body and use misogynist lyrics in his songs. Referring to the future mother of your child as "My Perfect B**ch" does not help the cause.

And why do I resent Kanye's music? For some of the various reasons why I find it at times enlightening, he is smart. Unlike many rappers in hip-hop who are obvious industry pinheads just trying to cash into the bank, Kanye West knows more. Yet, that is perhaps the very problem: he knows more and yet does nothing to actually fix the problem. As much as my cousin would complain about the streets he lived on, he actually did nothing in actually helping. What is worse on Kanye's part is that he has a massive influential audience and yet he does nothing but continue to perpetuate the same negative stereotypes and misfortunes that he complains about.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ernest-owens/kanye-west-new-slaves_b_3300051.html?utm_hp_ref=black-voices



interesting article.....don't totally agree with everything that was said but he does make some good points

don't get me wrong, while ye's lyrics could come off as being contradictory the same could be said of a lot of artists, "conscious" rappers, however considering ye's clout and influence within the industry and around the world its fair imho that his actions or lack their of are scrutinized even more

any thoughts?

JDSTAYWITIT. wrote: »

Niggas just don't know how on interpret lyrics anymore ... And then they feed into hack ass media stories like the one dude posted and run with the shit.. Smhh


If you think anything in this song is about kanye condeming black Americans consumption your buggin ... Only thing he did was give examples of racist ideology then he sarcastically mocked what one o these types of people would say when he said "hat you want a Bentley fur coat a new chain" .... That's not him speaking in first person bruh.. C'mon now ... That's him mocking how others generalize blacks ...

I really do t be knowing what niggas are Doug when they listen to music these days ... Niggas need to read lyrics ..

Lol

The title "new slave", marketing of the new music, the imagery he used during his performance on snl allign with everything I said

Throughout the song he points out how even though soceity partcularly the clothing industry, corporations at large still views/protrays blks in a negative light (i.e. as theives), once you get alil money and influence u still a nigga and the powers that be still expect u to buy and promote their shit to other blks perpetuating the slave cycle and simultaneously funding the industrial prison complex which seeks to lock blk men up

i'm feeling it


[Verse 1]
Quiet as a kitten
Reply as silent as a Rafael-given instrument for stickin'
Or maybe riot as a lion
Would he tie in tiger for attention?
Tiggers and Poohs, niggas in jewels
Mr. Opulent Christopher Robinson too
Reversal like
When that predetermined term expires on a turtle's life
What of Korea, are you scared?
Or is something not there, like a Welsh rabbit full of hairs
Animal farms and imaginary bears
The body is a house like a kangaroo pouch
Or an oyster-hoisted cow over crescent moons as it looms low in the night sky
Platoons of coons stand ready for the drive-by
Steady as the medley booms from the Akai
Affirm as in "Aye aye"
Like it the second
Like a junior, like a third, like a eye
Like I observe from the view of a bird as it fly high
Sitting heavy like spaghetti in the belly of a wise guy
Who let these G's out the PI_STY?
Seems I'm taking cues from The Wire
Okay decorum, and keeping you from wanting to buy it
But you still buy it like you never left it's sight
And like a slow gunfighter gun: unfired
Cow dung walls, hermit crabs in the mall, sting ray from the stars and barnyard laws
These are

[Hook] [Atoms for Peace sample]
Hey hey, just cause I got thumbs, that don't mean everybody is dumb, huh huh?
Just cause I got one, that don't mean that they got none, what what?

[Verse 2]
Quiet as a mouse in the House of God
In the jaws, like Terrence in the mouths of mobs
Ripping it to pieces like a picture and a preacher
If a cricket was a speaker, it's it's own chicken bones on the garbage can top
Ugly mother freakers is predator opposite on top of it to make it fox
So if similar appeal, administer the seal to make it real
Elephant time but never mind
Half-ton gorillas in admittance, they'll never find
Hungry as a hippopotamus, gobble it 'til your bottom and your body is as wobbly as Skrillex
Eeyores and Piglets, blind bats nailing tails to a riblet
Time only limited(ed) if you make it
Blind rats nails hold tales of Unseeing Eye selves
Out is out, so they only seeing thy shells
Ghost Dog
Oh lawd
These are

[Hook 2] [Atoms for Peace sample]
Hey they not dumb
I ain't smart just cause I got thumbs, what, say what?
Hey hey, just cause I got one
That don't mean I'm better cause they got none, say what, say what say what?

[Verse 3]
The butcher says to the bovines
You're all just pastrami when it's showtime
Cowboy co-signs, attack the cat samples
Own worst enemies
Chop down the trees, we need the ax handles
Like a heel in a sandal saying "hell no"
Or you trapped like the yells of a nail in the shell-toe
Clever as a fishbowl on a sailboat
Landlocked as a ham hock on a railroad
Sandbox by the swimming pool
Two times as clever as a fishing school
Pills for the pressure
Broken seals on the pills for the pleasure
If you feeling ill, whatever
Animal farm, you're all dumb
Tickle 'em with your articulated thumb,
A tapeworm will never play the drums, but um
These are
These are

[Hook 3] [Atoms for Peace sample]
Hey hey, just cause I got one
That don't mean I'm smart cause they got none
W-what, w-what
Am I not an animal cause I got thumbs?
That don't make me smart cause they got none, say what?
W-what, w-what
Here we come
Am I not an animal cause I got thumbs, say what?
Say what, say what?

Empress_ wrote: »

The irrationality of a thing is not the argument against it, rather the condition of it."

I personally am not concerned with the complaining of any matter, especially in regards to something as trivial and superficial as the double standard in reference to promiscuity.

Now equal pay amongst men and women for the same work being carried out and accomplished we can talk about, something of more substance and concern, IMHO.

Semantics.

So if something is categorized as being irrational that should not be considered grounds to dismiss it or discontinue its use? Lol maybe i misunderstood your quote... im a lil slow lol

And imho a double standard is a double standard...ideally they should be all be erradicated...as far the double standard concerning promiscuity, may seem like a non issue but it does further perpetuate the belief that soceity should hold men and women to a different set of standards....also it could be argued that makes girls and young women ashamed of their sexuality