DrMindbender122 wrote: »

Sorry, Buddy Boy, but you're wrong. Dr Gero didn't have a clue as to what a Super Sayian was. See for yourself here:

I thought we were in agreement? Gero may not have known what a SSJ was, but the androids were created from the DNA left after all of the DBZers returned from Namek, otherwise, Frieza wouldn’t have been included

Same thing when Gero was like: "Not him too!!!" when Vegeta went SS1:

Same rules apply

But to end this debate, here you go (straight from Marvel's wiki website): http://marvel.com/universe/Silver_Surfer

And here's Goku's bio from the DBZ wiki site: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Goku

Wow, again. Marvel’s wiki isn’t telling me anything I don’t know about the Surfer already. Marvel’s wiki as well as their website has all kinds of incorrect information on there. It’s common knowledge

As to answer your question as to how the Surfer could locate Goku, again, read his page straight offa Marvel's website; his "Powers" section in particular. This nigga can sense power levels light years away.

I know this. He can sense powerlevels, He sensed when Odin died right before Thor gained the Odin power a few years ago. It’s not going to magically let him know when someone is teleporting around. You know who else can sense powerlevels? Goku

To say that Goku's powers and techniques DON'T take a toll on his body, what about when he first started using the Kaio-ken? The Kaio-ken during his fight with Vegeta?

I’m pretty sure I said it effects him at maximum output..guess what the Kaioken was during that time period??? His maximum power output..

The Kaio-ken during his pre-SS1 fight with Frieza?

Wow, maximum output, this isn’t even hard to get

The Spirit Bomb on Frieza?

What about it?

His SS3 fight with Kid Buu before Vegeta took his turn? The Spirit Bomb when he fought Kid Buu BEFORE the Eternal Dragon aided him in restoring his power back to full level? When he went SS3 in front of Goten and Trunks and nearly collapsed afterwards? His SS4 fight with Super Android 17?

You’re really reaching unless you really aren’t getting the instances in which his maximum output is used. That doesn’t happen fairly often unless he’s fighting someone much stronger than himself. That definitely isn’t the case here.

And that monster that ate Goku's power and exploded cuz he got full...I think you're talking about that cornball character in a "filler" DBZ episode who lived in a cave in total darkness, right? This is right before Gohan fought Debora (spelling?) the Demon King, right? That shit was soooo corny. Goku could've used his "all powerful might" and blasted a hole outta that cave and allowed natural sunlight in to kill that thing.

Yeah, I’m talking about the guy within Babadi’s ship. What are you talking about? Blasting a hole to let light in to kill it? You do know they were on a spaceship right and at what point did it even hint that light kills the monster? Where are you getting this information? The monster blew up because it overloaded trying to absorb Goku’s power. As far as corny goes, you know this is comics were discussing right? All kinds of corny shit happens in Marvel and DC. Surfer has been knocked out with a sledgehammer before. The Hulk was choked out by a snake.

Like like you pointed out before, a lot of what's done fight-wise in DBZ/DBGT is for artistic purposes. Same thing can and has been said with comics for years. Hence why Wolverine can beat or hang with the Hulk one minute, but then be shook by the Hulk the next (as referenced in "The Incredible Hulk" issue #340). Inconsistencies are purposely done IMO just to make some fights/storylines worthwhile reading/seeing. Case in point with DBZ: Another poster pointed out that the SS1 Goku/Frieza fight took place in a span of five minutes, but was stretched out over a week or two.

That poster stated that because you mentioned something about how long it takes for them to power up their attacks. I’m pretty familiar with comics and their dynamics. Been collecting for years. All characters have their high end and low showings and then there’s that middle ground in which they operate in 95% of their appearances

Well, the Cell Games, Goku and Gohan's fight with Cell, Trunks getting killed and then revived, Gohan going SS2, the Cell Jr's, etc., all took place in one day's time. Yet all of that shit was stretched out to over month in DBZ episodes on TV. I was never a big fan of DBGT, so I won't even point to the many inconsistencies in that series.

Ok

Sorry Man, but your boy Goku gets trounced handedly by the Surfer should they ever fight. The only true way I suppose to end this debate without any "what ifs" or "how about if such and such happpened?" would be to do something similar how they do on that show where they pit different fighters from different eras through computer similuations based offa their abilities, stengths and weaknesses in order to determine who'd win.

And yet you still haven’t said anything besides a marvel wiki. This is my point. How many issues of Surfer have you read?

But based offa what Marvel the company itself says about the Surfers powers, you, Chi Chi, Gohan, Goten, Krillin, Master Roshi, King Kai, all of the other Z Fighters and anyone else who thinks Goku would stand a chance against the Surfer would be like this after the 1st few minutes of such a fight:

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So let me get this straight..Marvel speaks for the DBZ universe as well? Where in that Marvel wiki did it say anything about a fight between Surfer and any DBZer? Like I said earlier man, I can point you in the direction of great Surfer stories and you will be able to see for yourself. It’s not even easy for me to admit Surfer would lose to Goku but I have to call it how it is man. DBZ operates on a larger power scale than Marvel or DC. It’s really that simple.

DarkRaiden wrote: »

Goku never beat anyone that can destroy a universe.

Hmm, so Frieza, Kid Buu, and Shenrong were incapable of destroying the universe? That’s funny. Frieza was stated to be the most powerful in the Universe. Kid Buu was destroying the universe prior to his capture, which is why he was so feared by the Kais.

Literally the highest was planet busting.

Right, right, Vegeta was destroying planets before Goku could fly.

And yes Thanos has higher feats than Hulk as he's Ko'd and killed Surfer who can easily take Hulk's hits.

Nah, Thanos doesn’t have higher strength feats than the Hulk. Marvel doesn’t rely on strength showings

Goku has no feats or any proof he can even hurt Hulk or Juggernaut, and until it's been proven, your argument is void.

Until it’s been proven? Are you expecting Goku and Hulk to meet up in an upcoming comic? I like that a guy with the power to destroy planets easily, can’t hurt the Hulk..who gets hurt by Wolverine’s claws.

And Goku, while being a saiyan, has never killed anyone in DBZ.

Goku is a nice guy. He likes to give folks second chances, but are you saying he wasn’t going for the kill with Cell and Frieza? How about when he killed that being trying to drain his energy?

in DB he only killed King Piccolo.

Thought you said he’s never killed?

In DBZ, Trunks killed Frieza, Gohan killed Cell, and the Earth and the spirit bomb killed Buu.

Haha, the Earth and the Spirit Bomb…so the Earth somehow generated a spirit bomb and asked others to help power it? Interesting..never saw the Earth as a sentient being in DBZ

And even though they can destroy planets easily, DBZ characters still don't go past planet busting and thus are weaker than a plethora of characters.

Read what you’ve typed here..Even though they can easily destroy planets, they’re not beyond planet busting? Does that make any sense..what plethora of characters? The ones I’ve named who won’t be able to defeat someone of this caliber? Tell me, which characters do you think are above planet busting, who are not skyfathers, abstracts, etc…?

And just because Surfer doesn't use his matter manipulation powers all the time, doesn't mean he can't use them.

ok

And btw Spirit Bomb is ENERGY the thing Thor can hit back and SUrfer can absorb.

Right, because they always absorb that energy so many characters use against them..hell after all when Thanos is blasting Surfer, it’s only energy. When Ironman redirects Surfer’s power, it’s only energy..I guess Thor and Surfer will do these tactics when only facing Goku.

Also it only hurts those that are evil, it's a stated fact, it didn't even kill Frieza either

Haha what? Where was this stated and no shit it didn’t kill Frieza, Frieza was more powerful than Goku….at the time.

. It wouldn't effect THor or Surfer since they're good,

Nonsense. This isn’t the penance stare man. This is an ultimate attack that can be unleashed upon anyone.

Hulk cause he'd tank it and regenerate if he didn't, and Juggernaut would tank it as well.

Right right..

Thanos would laugh at it and proceed to beat the stuffing out of Goku.

Of course he would. The same way he laughed at Odin and Tyrant’s assaults.

Get over it, Goku can't win.

I’d actually prefer you bring something to the table that would suggest Goku couldn’t win.

And flash outrinning death means he's too fast for Goku to touch, the same way he was too fast for Superboy Prime who has crazy feats.

Actually it doesn’t. It’s a meaningless feat.

BUt Troll on, b/c you and I and everyone knows GOku stands no chance whatsoever.

I’m trolling? Interesting. I thought I was destroying your weak argument.

jaxn wrote: »

Amotekun wrote: »

*ahem*

then why was Goku sweatin when frieze deathballed namek?

Goku: You'll kill us both
Frieza: Nah nigga I can breath in space, yo monkey ass can't
Goku: Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-

I;m not postin the clip because we all know what the fuck Im talkin about.

As far as Vegeta, Nappa and other Saiyans in space. I chalk that up to more inconsistency on the writing behalf.
In the world on major inconsistencies I'm going to go with the latest portrayal which is Frieza saga.

Or are we gonna say Frieza was trollin GOku?

its more like Frieza had no clue about the power Goku held at that time. There have been a few instances showing saiyans breathing in space. Bardock and several saiyans facing off against Freiza comes to mind. There are a few things Goku didn't know he was capable of at first but he eventually learned over time..like the ability to fly

DarkRaiden wrote: »

Goku at base was struggling with 40 tons, SSJ was when he did it easily.

so he exercises with 40 tons easily as you say, but then you go on to say he caps off at 40 tons????

At most that's a 50x increase, SSJ2 is 2, and SSJ3 is 4x. But as we know, strength isn't linear with PL.

actually we don't know that since it was never specified by AT. What we do know is that they get stronger with each power up

The point is that Vegeta at 18,000 is a planet buster, as is Buu. Buu wanted to destroy everything as did Cell. Neither did and only destroyed a planet. Thus until proven otherwise they are planet busters at best.

Buu was destroying galaxies when he fist came into being. so i'd say its pretty much proven. Buu was defeated before he could destroy everything and Cell never wanted to do that in the first place. He just wanted a good fight.

Thanos has hit Silver Surfer, Silver Surfer moves at light speed +, thus Thanos's reflexes are at least light speed timing.

the hell kind of logic is that? so because he was able to hit Surfer that mean he has ftl reflexes? I guess Thing has ftl reflexes too. Spiderman as well, hell, BP, the Hulk and Thor do to. So does the Rhino, since they were all able to hit the surfer.

Oh and Goku describes IT as light speed and everyone in DBZ is amazed at it and say it's the fastest technique, this implies they are not light speed. Also they have to prove light speed, and until then are slower than it.

no, Goku described it as instant transmission, as in teleportation...that is all. It has nothing to do with speed, unless you think Goku is flying/running to different planets. I guess he's so fast he can run/fly to Kami's world too

evoljeanyes wrote: »

DarkRaiden wrote: »

Surfer stomps with ease. He's more durable, faster, has waay more powers, can absorb the energy i Supes and leave him powerless, and can even be physically stronger if he feels like it. Nothing Supes can do can hurt him

Supes could hurt him. He would give surfer hell...wouldn't give him a guarantee victory at all but he would give him a fight.

Supes has never had his powers absorbed.

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