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Blackstar is the greatest hip hop album of all time? Why or why not?

MastaAceTheGOAT
MastaAceTheGOAT Members Posts: 724
edited February 2011 in The Reason
I think so. Two incredible emcee's in their prime. Clever concepts and well worked lyricism. Mos def had an incredible voice throughout with Talib's presence on the mic was awesome. Varied schemes with complex rhymes schemes from both emcees. The albums production is dope straight through.

If you disagree (which a large proportion of you will) could you give a reason why?
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  • MastaAceTheGOAT
    MastaAceTheGOAT Members Posts: 724
    edited January 2011
    any other suggestions. preferably not looking for another 'illmatic is the best' or something similar.
  • juelz21
    juelz21 dwo Members Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    I think so. Two incredible emcee's in their prime. Clever concepts and well worked lyricism. Mos def had an incredible voice throughout with Talib's presence on the mic was awesome. Varied schemes with complex rhymes schemes from both emcees. The albums production is dope straight through.

    If you disagree (which a large proportion of you will) could you give a reason why?

    i can name a bunch albums that are better like killuminati the 7 day theory criminal minded kool g rap wanted or alive etc that are not only better in lyricism but are musically as well
  • MastaAceTheGOAT
    MastaAceTheGOAT Members Posts: 724
    edited January 2011
    juelz21 wrote: »
    i can name a bunch albums that are better like killuminati the 7 day theory criminal minded kool g rap wanted or alive etc that are not only better in lyricism but are musically as well

    can't c/s that. i felt blackstar was musically genius. and none of the albums you mentioned have better lyrics
  • juelz21
    juelz21 dwo Members Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    can't c/s that. i felt blackstar was musically genius. and none of the albums you mentioned have better lyrics

    I ain't a killer but don't push me-Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin 🤬
    Picture paragraphs unloaded,- wise words bein quoted
    Peeped the weakness in the rap game and sewed it
    Bow down, pray to 🤬 hoping that he's listenin-Seein 🤬 comin for me, through my diamonds, when they glistenin
    Now pay attention, rest in peace father
    I'm a ghost in these killin fields
    Hail Mary catch me if I go, let's go deep inside
    the solitary mind of a madman who screams in the dark
    Evil lurks, enemies, see me flee-Activate my hate, let it break, to the flame
    Set trip, empty out my clip, never stop to aim
    Some say the game is all corrupted, 🤬 in this 🤬
    Stuck, 🤬 is lucky if we bust out this 🤬 , plus
    mama told me never stop until I bust a nut-🤬 the world if they can't adjust
    It's just as well, Hail Mary. the rhyme schemes in this are much better then any verse on that blackstar album i just ended this thread.
  • MastaAceTheGOAT
    MastaAceTheGOAT Members Posts: 724
    edited January 2011
    juelz21 wrote: »
    I ain't a killer but don't push me-Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin 🤬
    Picture paragraphs unloaded,- wise words bein quoted
    Peeped the weakness in the rap game and sewed it
    Bow down, pray to 🤬 hoping that he's listenin-Seein 🤬 comin for me, through my diamonds, when they glistenin
    Now pay attention, rest in peace father
    I'm a ghost in these killin fields
    Hail Mary catch me if I go, let's go deep inside
    the solitary mind of a madman who screams in the dark
    Evil lurks, enemies, see me flee-Activate my hate, let it break, to the flame
    Set trip, empty out my clip, never stop to aim
    Some say the game is all corrupted, 🤬 in this 🤬
    Stuck, 🤬 is lucky if we bust out the
    🤬 ,
    plus
    mama told me never stop until I bust a nut-🤬 the world if they can't adjust
    It's just as well, Hail Mary. the rhyme schemes in this are much better then any verse on that blackstar album i just ended this thread.

    I'm in my iPod touch but I can find examples of better verses on blackstar. 2nd verse KOS comes to mind
  • Stew
    Stew Rap Music Is My Religion HTTRMembers, Moderators, Writer Posts: 52,234 Regulator
    edited January 2011
    No because Aquemini is.
  • MastaAceTheGOAT
    MastaAceTheGOAT Members Posts: 724
    edited January 2011
    hlf wrote: »
    No because Aquemini is.

    Fair enough. Why maybe?
  • huey
    huey Members Posts: 11,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    close, but i couldnt say that in good conscience. they should have BEEN released a follow up album
  • TRILLip Brooks
    TRILLip Brooks Lord High Executioner Members Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    ronnie you ruin every thread
  • ChuckieInDaMurderAve
    ChuckieInDaMurderAve Members Posts: 1,787 ✭✭
    edited January 2011
    I'm not sure if I'd even put it in top 100. It's a good album and all, but I don't even care for it enough to play it more than a few times a year. It's just not my type of hip-hop, the whole "conscious" thing has never been cool with me, I like some of it but too much bores me specially because most rappers from there lack energy and I can't say either Mos or Kweli are full of it. And lastly, there's like 3 songs that I really like plus I don't care for most of the subject matter.
  • juelz21
    juelz21 dwo Members Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    I'm in my iPod touch but I can find examples of better verses on blackstar. 2nd verse KOS comes to mind

    nope that verse isn't no where near as complex as that verse i posted from makaveli.
  • nyst8ofmin
    nyst8ofmin Members Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    blackstarr album was better than 7 day theory.

    that album is criminally slept on
  • juelz21
    juelz21 dwo Members Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    Young-Ice wrote: »
    WOAT pac verse

    please shut up
  • juelz21
    juelz21 dwo Members Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    nyst8ofmin wrote: »
    blackstarr album was better than 7 day theory.

    that album is criminally slept on

    no it wasn't
  • MarcusGarvey
    MarcusGarvey Members Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    Yo, I'm sure that everbody out listenin agree
    That everything you see ain't really how it be
    A lot of jokers out runnin in place, chasin the style
    Be a lot goin on beneath the empty smile
    Most cats in my area be lovin the hysteria
    Synthesized surface conceals the interior
    America, land of opportunity, mirages and camoflauges
    More than usually -- speakin loudly, sayin nothin
    You confusin me, you losin me
    Your game is twisted, want me enlisted -- in your usary
    Foolishly, most men join the ranks cluelessly
    Buffoonishly accept the deception, believe the perception
    Reflection rarely seen across the surface of the lookin glass
    Walkin the street, wonderin who they be lookin past
    Lookin gassed with them imported designer shades on
    Stars shine bright, but the light -- rarely stays on
    Same song, just remixed, different arrangement
    Put you on a yacht but they won't call it a slaveship
    Strangeness, you don't control this, you barely hold this
    Screamin brand new, when they just sanitized the old 🤬
    Suppose it's, just another clever Jedi mind trick
    That they been runnin across stars through all the time with
    I find it's distressin, there's never no in-between
    We either 🤬 or Kings
    We either 🤬 or Queens
    The deadly ritual seems immersed, in the perverse
    Full of short attention spans, short tempers, and short skirts
    Long barrel automatics released in short bursts
    The length of black life is treated with short worth
    Get yours first, them other 🤬 secondary
    That type of illin that be fillin up the cemetary
    This life is temporary but the soul is eternal
    Separate the real from the lie, let me learn you
    Not strong, only aggressive, cause the power ain't directed
    That's why, we are subjected to the will of the oppressive
    Not free, we only licensed
    Not live, we just excitin
    Cause the captors.. own the masters.. to what we writin
    Not compassionate, only polite, we well trained
    Our sincerity's rehearsed in stage, it's just a game
    Not good, but well behaved cause the ca-me-ra survey
    most of the things that we think, do, or say
    We chasin after death just to call ourselves brave
    But everyday, next man meet with the grave
    I give a damn if any fan recall my legacy
    I'm tryin to live life in the sight of 🤬 's memory
    Like that y'all


    -Best Mos Def verse IMO

    Love that album
  • birdcallaveli
    birdcallaveli Members Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    blackstar was the best album either of them have done or ever will do, but that 🤬 is far from greatest of all time. probably not even top 5 of the year it came out.
  • juelz21
    juelz21 dwo Members Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    Young-Ice wrote: »
    you shut the 🤬 up
    you are the least incoherent, most 🤬 , 🤬 poster this forum has ever seen since spermtox

    Pac is overrated as hell
    he can't even make Holler & bleed rhyme

    please none of this made no sense u going on my ignore list
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    Top 10 hip-hop albums of all-time.
  • Mvpbrodie93
    Mvpbrodie93 Members Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    hlf wrote: »
    No because Aquemini is.
    Illmatic>>>>>>
  • huey
    huey Members Posts: 11,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    So much on my mind that I can't recline
    Blastin holes in the night til she bled sunshine
    Breathe in, inhale vapors from bright stars that shine
    Breathe out, weed smoke retrace the skyline

    loved this 🤬
  • TRILLip Brooks
    TRILLip Brooks Lord High Executioner Members Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    not even close
  • rapmastermind
    rapmastermind Entertainment/Pop Culture/Media Analyst New York CityMembers Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    It' s one of those Hip Hop Classics that doesn't get talked about but this album got me through my freshman year of college. Hi Tek's production and Mos and Talib's flow and lyrics were so on point. I'm still mad till this day that they both won't let stupid Ego's go and make another album. From top to bottom this album was dope. I use to bump this album and "Soundboming II' religiously back in 98-99. Best album in Hip Hop?, lol let's not get carried away. One of the best Independent albums of all time?, now we are talking


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    1 "Intro" Hi-Tek; co-produced by Talib Kweli *Interlude* 1:11
    2 "Astronomy (8th Light)" Da Beatminerz Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Weldon Irvine 3:23
    3 "Definition" Hi-Tek Mos Def, Talib Kweli 3:26
    4 "RE: DEFinition" Hi-Tek Talib Kweli, Mos Def 3:02
    5 "Children's Story" Shawn J. Period Mos Def, Talib Kweli 3:32
    6 "Brown Skin Lady " J. Rawls Talib Kweli, Mos Def 5:46
    7 "B Boys Will B Boys" Ge-ology Mos Def, Talib Kweli 2:36
    8 "K.O.S. (Determination)" Hi-Tek Talib Kweli, Vinia Mojica 4:49
    9 "Hater Players" Shawn J. Period Talib Kweli, Mos Def 4:08
    10 "Yo Yeah" J. Rawls; co-produced by Talib Kweli Mos Def, Talib Kweli 1:10
    11 "Respiration" Hi-Tek Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common 6:05
    12 "Thieves in the Night" 88-Keys Talib Kweli, Mos Def 5:16
    13 "Twice Inna Lifetime" Hi-Tek
  • RebelliousIntrovert
    RebelliousIntrovert Members Posts: 214
    edited January 2011
    This album is truly supreme, but c'mon, you know everything is relative & some will agree & some won't, that's with every "G.O.A.T. statement".
  • dwade206
    dwade206 Members Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2011
    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤬 reaching like a muthafucka

    Cuban Lanx > Black Star by the way


    ...yeah that's right, I said lanx
  • bluprint
    bluprint Members Posts: 465
    edited January 2011
    Illmatic>>>>>>
    Illmatic is overrated short and just not that great