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The Official 2010 NFL Draft Talk thread

toheeb27
toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 2010 in From the Cheap Seats
It might seem early, but it's that time... bowl games... last impressions... prospects declaring or staying (stupid locker)...

still have some the bowl games... all star games... and of course the combine

who do you like? who do you want your team to take (that could possibly be in reach)? questions?
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  • Tha Originator
    Tha Originator Members Posts: 277
    edited December 2009
    dont kno too much yet but i kno that DLineman that almost won the heisman is gonna get picked in top 5
  • adthatsme312
    adthatsme312 Members Posts: 144
    edited December 2009
    Jake Locker is an idiot. Hes passin up all that guaranteed money.

    " Locker was looking at anywhere from $30-$40 million in guaranteed money had he entered this draft but even in a best-case scenario he may be lucky to get a fraction of that next year. For the sake of argument let’s assume that Locker stays healthy (which is far from a certainty considering his history of injuries), has a great senior year and gets picked #1 overall in the 2011 NFL Draft. If the NFL implements a rookie salary scale, which nearly everyone accepts as a foregone conclusion, Locker is exactly the type of elite prospect that will be hurt the most. At this point nobody knows for sure what type of constraints this new system will entail but I can tell you what happened before and after the NBA put theirs in place. Glenn Robinson was the last #1 pick before the wage scale in 1994 and he received a 10-year, $68 million deal from the Milwaukee Bucks. In 2005 the Golden State Warriors chose Joe Smith with the top pick and he received a 3-year contract worth $8.53 million. Notice a difference? Maybe the change won’t be quite that dramatic in the NFL but I’m willing to go out on a limb and say that the guaranteed money in the #1 picks contract will, at the very least, be cut in half. At least. So even if everything works out perfectly Locker may be costing himself tens of millions of dollars. Now if he goes on to enjoy a long, prosperous NFL career Locker could make up for those initial losses but just ask Tim Couch how much he made on his second contract. Or Cade McNown. The future is promised to no one, especially in the NFL. JaMarcus Russell could be out of the league in a few years but even if that turns out to be the case he is set for life thanks to the $29 million guaranteed he received as part of his rookie contract."
  • t_m_a_c_f_a_n73088
    t_m_a_c_f_a_n73088 Members Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2009
    co-sign locker being an idiot. You have to take it when you can especially in the nfl where you're one injury away from not being 🤬 . Plus he's going back to the trash of the pac-10(and thats saying something because the pac-10 is trash as a whole), I GUESS I could see if he was going back to a good team but c'mon dude. Anyways as far as the draft goes jimmy claussen= BUSTTTT, I think its funny how none of these analysts talk about his bad ass attitude. If he was black they would but thats another story. Anyways just my two sense on the draft:

    Players who are the truth: suh, eric berry(🤬 this kid is gonna be a 🤬 monster), mallet(best nfl potential), spiller(he will be a playmaker no matter where they put him), rolando mcclain(leader, good tackler, all the qualities of a good nfl ilb)

    Sorry, im not sold on you: claussen(system qb who's been overrated from the jump and has questionable arm strength), derrick morgan(yea he's good, but there's a derrick morgan every year, we'll see), tebow(nfl arm>? nuff said), brandon lafell(dude is living off his rep last year, he wasn't impressive at all this year), greg hardy(most likely to be injured for 4 years before he gets pt).

    Ill go more in depth later but I have to get on my draft ish, that just my thoughts for now....
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    With the NFL and the players union not in agreement, looks like lots of Juniors will be coming out early this year. Will be a very very deep draft.
  • onmygame
    onmygame Members Posts: 162
    edited January 2010
    wr from bgsu, cant remember his name. will be steal of draft
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    onmygame wrote: »
    wr from bgsu, cant remember his name. will be steal of draft

    Freddie Barnes. He is a solid WR, needs to run a fast 40 to boost his stock. The dude runs perfect routes and has great great hands, i just think he lacks that breakaway speed. He reminds me of a slower Andre Johnson
  • MillzOG
    MillzOG OG Members, Moderators Posts: 14,508 Regulator
    edited January 2010
    man idk why ya think Clausen is gonna be a bust, hes gotten better each year he was in Notre Dame...his potential is through the roof, Locker is stupid for staying 🤬 he would've went to top 5..BUT playin 1 more year of college with Sarkisian will do him good in the NFL...

    and some1 said Ryan Mallet had the best QB potential i agree 1000% i said that 🤬 from the 1st day i saw him play at Michigan before he transfered and hes gotten better and better....


    what ya think bout Colt McCoy when he gets to the NFL?...i think hes another dude that dont get any respect and could windup bein real good in the NFL...CJ spiller is the real deal, and i wanna see what happens with Toby Gerhart 🤬 if he doesnt run a good 40 then he'll slip in the draft and i think he can be more Brandon Jacobs than Lendale White
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    WOW, Jevan Snead is entering the draft. Dude had it all before the season started, but his stock has fallen drastically. He has the tools, but dude makes too many poor decisions.
  • Dick Shitman
    Dick Shitman Members Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    toheeb27 wrote: »
    WOW, Jevan Snead is entering the draft. Dude had it all before the season started, but his stock has fallen drastically. He has the tools, but dude makes too many poor decisions.

    I saw that and thought I read it wrong. He had a terrible year and his team was trash
  • txboi_09
    txboi_09 Members Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Sergio Kindle is probably gonna be top 15 pick after tonight performance. Earl Thomas is also a first rounder, also that dude from ohio i believe Iupari some Somoan dude is gonna go in the first he's supposed to be a beast the thing is he plays Guard and Guards usually dont go that high. The cant miss prospects are pretty much Eric Berry, Suh, and Iupati
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Joe McKnight is coming out too. In a normal year, he would have stayed in school to raise his stock, but with the Rookie scale coming and the ongoing investigation regarding his relationship with a Los Angeles-area businessman, the dude said frak College. The Running Back position is not that deep this year, he should be a 2nd/3rd round pick.
  • ya boi g
    ya boi g Members Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    toheeb27 wrote: »
    WOW, Jevan Snead is entering the draft. Dude had it all before the season started, but his stock has fallen drastically. He has the tools, but dude makes too many poor decisions.

    I dont blame him for leaving though. Ole Miss is a school that will be up and down year to year, I think most of the good players on that team are leaving this year. The team may be bad next year so I figure he just decided to leave.
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Could we now say Taylor Mays is now a Lock at 14 for the Seahawks?
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Nice to see that Tebow is going to the Senior bowl. He is also lucky he's on the South team, which will be coached by the Dolphins' staff. I never like to count folks out, but the dude mechanics presently is messed up and needs massive work.
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Looks like the TEbow as QB experiment is not off to a good start.
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2010
    2010 Senior Bowl: Stock Watch
    By: Roshan Bhagat

    A week of NFL-style practices and the Senior Bowl have come to an end in Mobile, Alabama. Players have had the opportunity to put it all out on the line and show how they respond in high-pressure environments where the details matter. Above all, this week was about improving individual draft stocks for each and every one of the players. Very few players hurt themselves by playing in the Senior Bowl while a number of players were able to boost their draft stock. Who won? Who lost? Here are the 10 players I felt helped their stocked the most followed by 5 I thought hurt themselves a little.

    Stock Up:

    Dexter McCluster, RB, Mississippi – Though he measured in at only 5’8 and 165 pounds, McCluster did everything else right throughout practice to quickly rise to a likely 2nd round prospect. McCluster has game-breaking speed and difficult to track down in the open field, but that’s not only what he showed this week. He lined up at both running back and wide receiver, showing versatility on the same wavelength as a Percy Harvin, Reggie Bush, or Darren Sproles. McCluster has the toughness to be an inside runner in the NFL, though not as an every-down back, and the route-running to take plays from out wide. He took some snaps as a returner this year and will likely be trained to do the same at next level. Prior to this week, McCluster was probably a 3rd round pick at best, but probably moved up by a round based on his week of practice.

    Ed Dickson, TE, Oregon – Dickson made plays and impressed on literally every day this week. In practices, he showed fluidity as by far the best route-runner at the Senior Bowl. He made several tough catches in traffic and made very few errors, if any. He catches the ball in stride and can continue making progress downfield in a hurry. Based on his career at Oregon and impressive practices this week, he reminds me a lot of Green Bay’s tight end, Jermichael Finley who has become one of the biggest match-up nightmares among tight ends in the NFL. Dickson is too big for a corner and too fast and fluid for most linebackers and safeties. He has some room to improve as an in-line blocker, but is sure to be one of the first tight ends taken and should be off the board by the end of the second round.

    Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho – Mike Iupati caught the eye of many scouts, general managers, coaches, analysts, and anyone else covering the event. His playing strength and ability to knock people off the line is remarkable. At one point, few thought he could even be a 5-position player, but as the week progressed it became more apparent that he doesn’t have the foot speed to become a left tackle. Iupati separated himself from the competition at guard and could become an All-Pro at the position in the mold of Alan Faneca if he continues to improve his footwork. Iupati was thought to be a borderline 1st round prospect prior to this week, but has moved his way potentially into the first 16 picks of the draft.

    Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan – Buzz from around the league suggests a mixed opinion on Brandon Graham and how his 6’1 frame and 30 ½” arms will stunt his effectiveness at the next level. Though he wasn’t forced to face any elite offensive tackle prospects this week, Graham continued to do this week what he’s done through his past two years at Michigan. He knocks offensive tackles off balance with an explosive first step and has good technique in rushing the passer. His speed around the edge is his biggest asset, though he has the strength and shows a fundamental understanding of leverage to cause a ruckus in the run game. Next month at the Combine, he’ll have the opportunity to show off his athleticism and more thoroughly prove that he can stand up in certain schemes. Right now, he reminds me very much of a breed between LaMarr Woodley and Trent Cole.


    Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State – Bell may lose a little bit of the money he earned this week with a mediocre showing at the Combine next month. Still, I think the Senior Bowl proved to scouts that Bell can be a consistent factor in the NFL. He has the build of the prototype running back. This week he beat defenses with vision and tenacity as a runner. He did a great job in blitz pick-up, which will prove to be very valuable with playing time once he gets into an NFL training camp. Bell has nearly everything you could want in a running back, including the innate ability to hit a hole as soon as it opens, which will help compensate for his lack of elite speed.

    Myron Rolle, S, Florida State – We didn’t know what to expect from the Rhodes Scholar after having spent a year away from football. He answered questions this week that he’s ready to pick up where he left off. It shows that Rolle has been working hard to get back into shape and seized his moment here this week. In this talented class, Rolle came into the week having the potential to even go undrafted, but after showing smooth hips and the ability to make plays around the line of scrimmage, he should have worked his way into the middle to later rounds. No player had more pressure to produce than Rolle this week and he made the most of his opportunity.

    Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri – Weatherspoon was a little quiet – production-wise, certainly not with his mouth – throughout practices this week. From what we heard of Weatherspoon, he has the natural ability to become a leader in the locker room. If he continues to play like he did this week, it won’t take him much time to ascend to one of the leadership roles in the NFL. Weatherspoon showed true sideline-to-sideline range all week. He did a great job getting good depth on his zone drops and fluidity in sticking tight in man coverage. In the game, when it mattered most, Weatherspoon showed up several times, but none more important than the crucial interception to halt a likely scoring drive for the North team. After this week, I’d be shocked to see him escape the first round. He seems like an ideal WILL linebacker for a 4-3 defense.

    Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati – Gilyard struggled through the first day and somewhat in the second. After he calmed his nerves and settled in, Gilyard was one of the best receivers at the Senior Bowl. His remarkably quick feet even made his teammates look bad in comparison. There may have been more consistent players there, but few were making more big plays than Gilyard. He was the favorite target of college teammate Tony Pike early in Saturday’s game, but that trend continued even with other quarterbacks in the game. He weighs only 179 pounds, but reminds me a little of DeSean Jackson in the way he plays the game – both at receiver and returner.

    Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee – Williams may have separated himself from Terrence Cody as the best pure nose tackle in the draft. Not only is Williams in shape, but he the ideal build of a player you ask to hold the double team at the point of attack, which includes a lot of mass in the trunk. He uses his arms well and keeps his legs underneath him to stay balanced. Williams plays with good technique and stays low, a natural advantage he has in his height over Cody. Prior to Senior Bowl week, many had labeled him a borderline player between the 1st and 2nd with a higher chance of the former. After the consistency he displayed as a two-gap defensive tackle this week, Williams may be off the board before pick 20.

    Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State – Wilson had a fantastic week by all accounts. Among all defensive backs present this week, Wilson seems to have the best football IQ. He reads the 3-step drop very well and is confident enough in his abilities that he breaks on the route without hesitation. Wilson has smooth hips, overall fluidity in his movements, a nice backpedal, and a great transition. In one-on-one match-ups, very few receivers were able to beat him and those that were had Wilson draped on their back. He showed his willingness in run support. In all regards, Wilson reminds me a lot of a player that’s succeeding as a starting corner on the Cowboys today – Mike Jenkins.

    Honorable Mentions: Jarrett Brown, QB, West Virginia; Jeff Byers, OL, USC; Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State; Mike Johnson, OG, Alabama; Brandon Lang, DE, Troy; Andre Roberts, WR, The Citadel; Tyson Alualu, DT, California; LeGarrette Blount, RB, Oregon; Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State; Taylor Price, WR, Ohio
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2010
    Stock Down:


    Tim Tebow, QB, Florida – Tebow deserves a lot of praise for just showing up this week and accepting coaching throughout the week and I hope that Tebow’s magnified struggles this week don’t discourage players from showing up in the future. What we saw this week from Tebow was a release that’s among the worst I’ve seen from highly projected picks over the last decade. His mechanics make Byron Leftwich seem like Dan Marino. He showed marginal arm strength on the short and intermediate ball, but consistently threw a very pretty deep ball. Tebow struggled to make quick reads and seemed hesitant to throw passes to receivers just coming out of their breaks. He had a lot of help playing mostly out of the shotgun during the game, yet still finished with the worst yards per attempt of all six quarterbacks.


    Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky – Lindley was one my favorite prospects from a year ago, and needed to have a big week here to help move his draft stock into the area of where it was last year. Instead, he just struggled nearly every day this week. He was beat deep on many occasions throughout the week, which came as a surprise. Lindley did show fluidity and quick feet. He was never really caught that badly out of position, but oftentimes just didn’t show the ball awareness to make a play on the backend of the play. He was a likely second rounder prior to the season, a 3rd rounder after this season, and probably a 4th rounder at best, based on potential, after this week.
    Sam Young, OT, Notre Dame – Young looked okay in the game for the most part, but struggled immensely throughout the week in both one-on-ones and team drills. He has a great work ethic and gives everything on every down, but at the end of the day just lacks the quick-twitch movements to stop some of the better athletes. He also doesn’t have the strength to be a dominating run blocker. He’s a right tackle only, but probably only a back-up, which typically don’t exist in the NFL.

    Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama – Mount Cody showed up incredibly out of shape and had an inconsistent week. His stock will somewhat be tied to Dan Williams who plays the same position that Cody likely will in the NFL. While Williams came to Mobile in shape and showed great balance and consistency, Cody did just the opposite. He was neutralized by double teams, but also lacked balanced, getting knocked to the ground on several occasions. Cody wasn’t bad this week as much as he was disappointing. For a player that will only give you 40-45% of a defense’s total snaps, Cody needed to play with better consistency. As of now, he likely dropped at least to the 2nd round.

    Eric Norwood, OLB, South Carolina – Playing alongside Brandon Graham, Antonio Coleman, Brandon Lang , George Selvie, and others, Eric Norwood was remarkably quiet for much of the week. Granted he didn’t get as many of the opportunities to show his pass-rushing ability, Norwood didn’t really impress in any areas this week. He looked pretty stiff in coverage for most of the week. He typically excels in game situations, but was once again nowhere to be found, recording only a single tackle on the afternoon. Norwood will be evaluated on a lot more than his week in Mobile, but in comparison to his peers, he lost some money this week.
  • msuman
    msuman Confirm Email Posts: 450
    edited February 2010
    toheeb27 wrote: »
    Could we now say Taylor Mays is now a Lock at 14 for the Seahawks?

    Man he most def is no longer going in the first round. They talking about moving him to WILL just like Thomas Davis did for the Panthers.
  • txboi_09
    txboi_09 Members Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2010
    msuman wrote: »
    Man he most def is no longer going in the first round. They talking about moving him to WILL just like Thomas Davis did for the Panthers.

    He is just too stiff there is no way he can play safety in the NFL at least not FS. That 4.3 speed he supposedly has does not transfer to game speed hes always taking bad angles and trying to blow people up when he should be wrapping up. I only see two safeties going in the first, Eric Berry is a lock top 10 and Earl Thomas will be a first rounder as well. Im hoping my niners draft Earl with their second pick, and go Oline in the first.
  • msuman
    msuman Confirm Email Posts: 450
    edited February 2010
    txboi_09 wrote: »
    He is just too stiff there is no way he can play safety in the NFL at least not FS. That 4.3 speed he supposedly has does not transfer to game speed hes always taking bad angles and trying to blow people up when he should be wrapping up. I only see two safeties going in the first, Eric Berry is a lock top 10 and Earl Thomas will be a first rounder as well. Im hoping my niners draft Earl with their second pick, and go Oline in the first.

    Man with Warner retiring I think you guys can win the division next year. I hope you have a good draft and at least pick up some good depth in Free Agency.

    From ESPN
    San Francisco 49ers
    Top needs: RT, G, DE, S, CB
    First round (13, 16): Trent Williams, Earl Thomas
    Second-round options (49): G Mike Iupati, DE Corey Wooton, S Morgan Burnett, CB Kyle Wilson
    Third-round options (79): G Jon Asamoah, CB Syd'Quan Thompson, S Major Wright, DE Hall Davis, DE D.J. Wilson, OLB Rico McCoy
    Summary: Some people will consider taking a RT at No. 13 a bit of a leap in terms of value, but Williams is an outstanding player that can strengthen you immediately. If the 49ers go with a guard, Iupati is a fantastic one, and the offensive line gets a lot better overnight. Thomas, as I said in the mock, covers a ton of ground and can help immediately. From there the Niners could try to get good value elsewhere in the secondary or look for a DE or even a pass-rushing OLB. I can also see San Francisco taking a later-rounds shot on a QB, but this team needs to focus on more glaring needs early on.
  • txboi_09
    txboi_09 Members Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2010
    msuman wrote: »
    Man with Warner retiring I think you guys can win the division next year. I hope you have a good draft and at least pick up some good depth in Free Agency.

    From ESPN
    San Francisco 49ers
    Top needs: RT, G, DE, S, CB
    First round (13, 16): Trent Williams, Earl Thomas
    Second-round options (49): G Mike Iupati, DE Corey Wooton, S Morgan Burnett, CB Kyle Wilson
    Third-round options (79): G Jon Asamoah, CB Syd'Quan Thompson, S Major Wright, DE Hall Davis, DE D.J. Wilson, OLB Rico McCoy
    Summary: Some people will consider taking a RT at No. 13 a bit of a leap in terms of value, but Williams is an outstanding player that can strengthen you immediately. If the 49ers go with a guard, Iupati is a fantastic one, and the offensive line gets a lot better overnight. Thomas, as I said in the mock, covers a ton of ground and can help immediately. From there the Niners could try to get good value elsewhere in the secondary or look for a DE or even a pass-rushing OLB. I can also see San Francisco taking a later-rounds shot on a QB, but this team needs to focus on more glaring needs early on.

    I would be happy with that draft Kyle Wilson supposedly lit it up at the Senior Bowl and so did Iupati so both are probably first rounders now. But This years class is full of talent at Safety so if they choose to go somewhere else with their second 1st round pick they can still draft a quality Safety or corner in the second. Im hoping with an entire year of Crabtree working with smith the Offensive can get it together.
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2010
    Is Ndamukong Suh definately a lock for number one or do u guys think there is someone who can take that spot from him? Just like how Mario Williams came out of nowhere to grab the spot from Vince and Bush.
  • ef cuttin2.0
    ef cuttin2.0 Members Posts: 252
    edited February 2010
    I think Suh goes #1, and Mays goes #32 to the Saints, who will convert him 2 OLB...They love his measurables and envision a LB that can compliment Vilma...JMO
  • msuman
    msuman Confirm Email Posts: 450
    edited February 2010
    Mike Mayock has been hyping up Gerald McCoy up over Suh. He is saying McCoy will be a better pass rusher and that Suh has had two knee surgeries will in college. I still think Suh goes number 1.
  • txboi_09
    txboi_09 Members Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2010
    msuman wrote: »
    Mike Mayock has been hyping up Gerald McCoy up over Suh. He is saying McCoy will be a better pass rusher and that Suh has had two knee surgeries will in college. I still think Suh goes number 1.

    Im thinking if they pass on Suh it would have to be for a QB either Bradford or Clausen but I dont see that happening. It going to be Suh #1, and McCoy #2 to the lions cause they definitely need help on defense maybe even Berry but thats way too high for a safety.
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