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Is FAITH Another Word for Blind Ignorance

geechee slimgeechee slim I bomb atomicly with socrates philosophies and hypothesisPosts: 2,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2010 in R & R (Religion and Race)
Before you get offended by the question, picture what I'm saying... If 'faith' is the belief in something without needing facts or proof, then doesn't having faith in something mean following blindly into the unknown.

i.e. Tiger's wife may have been faithful, only to get cheated on.
You may have faith in your sports team, only to see them lose.

OK IC, discuss.
Geechee Slim, Geechee Goo
Geechee Me, Geechee YOU!

BARTRON!
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  • Fundz O' PlentyFundz O' Plenty Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    *Jeezy voice*

    Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!
  • blue falconblue falcon Posts: 128
    edited January 2010
    no not at all. The bible never tells us to have "blind" faith. Simply because you believe something doesn't mean we don't have proof or atleast logical answers for our beliefs. How much of science is based on belief? Can science prove logic? Can science prove that all light travels the same speed between all points in the universe? Can science prove the uniformity of nature? No not at all but these are some of the foundations of science and they are all based on belief and assumption.
  • alissowackalissowack Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Faith is suppose to be more of a blind reliance than ignorance. Faith (though not the official definition) is that whatever I say to you, it can be trusted; that my words are as good as it is being done (not that you need to trust me). Marriage is one place where faith is put to the test. The question may be whether husband and wife have placed their faith in the vow they made to each other before God?
    al-is-so-wack: Deplorable for hire.
  • Hyde ParkeHyde Parke Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    all of these things are just dreamed up nothingness to make humans feel more important than they really are.
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited January 2010
    Can science prove that all light travels the same speed between all points in the universe?

    Yes they can.

    Can religion prove anything about the existence of God?
  • perspective@100perspective@100 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    whar67 wrote: »
    Yes they can.

    Can religion prove anything about the existence of God?

    Actually light travels at different speeds depending on its environment. Recent studies show it is possible to have particles travel faster than light in a given area.
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  • blue falconblue falcon Posts: 128
    edited January 2010
    whar67 wrote: »
    Yes they can.

    Can religion prove anything about the existence of God?

    No they cannot.

    Prove it in what way?
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited January 2010
    Actually light travels at different speeds depending on its environment. Recent studies show it is possible to have particles travel faster than light in a given area.

    Which does not change my post. Light behaves the same here as it does on the other side of the galaxy.

    Falcon has argued here and in an other post that such universal aspect of a phenonenom is an assumption rather than a conclusion.

    Light travelling through a vacuum in our solar system travels at c ... Light in an other galaxy travelling through a vacuum travels at c. If it is water then the speed is the same in both places. The speed of light is universal.
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited January 2010
    No they cannot.

    Prove it in what way?

    Almost any physic course that deals with light will explain this to you.

    Google special relativity if you want to look it up yourself.
  • alissowackalissowack Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Hyde Parke wrote: »
    all of these things are just dreamed up nothingness to make humans feel more important than they really are.

    Faith has a significance even if it is not directed towards God. It's possible to exhibit some kind of blind reliance on a friend or family member in which you know that person's words are solid; that what is said, is almost usually what is meant; a promise told is so close to a promise kept. You almost don't have to speculate. A better question we should ask is...how solid is our word?
    al-is-so-wack: Deplorable for hire.
  • blue falconblue falcon Posts: 128
    edited January 2010
    whar67 wrote: »
    Almost any physic course that deals with light will explain this to you.

    Google special relativity if you want to look it up yourself.

    I took physics in the 8th grade and still the point remains that it cannot be proven (there is no way to observe it) that all light travels the same speed between any given point in the universe.
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited January 2010
    I took physics in the 8th grade and still the point remains that it cannot be proven (there is no way to observe it) that all light travels the same speed between any given point in the universe.

    Special relativity. Guy named Einstein. Seriously google it or read a book it shows that the speed og light through a vacuum is constant in ALL frames of reference.
  • longmeatlongmeat Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    I took physics in the 8th grade and still the point remains that it cannot be proven (there is no way to observe it) that all light travels the same speed between any given point in the universe.

    son, you have an 8th grade understanding of physics and have the audacity to say some shit like that? seriously, GO READ A FUCKING BOOK
  • geechee slimgeechee slim I bomb atomicly with socrates philosophies and hypothesis Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Look, you guys are missing the point, or the question.

    Is faith based on knowledge, or hope?
    Geechee Slim, Geechee Goo
    Geechee Me, Geechee YOU!

    BARTRON!
  • geechee slimgeechee slim I bomb atomicly with socrates philosophies and hypothesis Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    BTW, you guys bring up good points about speed of light (I donno how yall got on that).
    But ask yourself, who measured this speed and how do they know the speed of light doesn't travel faster in any other given universe? But fuck all that.
    Geechee Slim, Geechee Goo
    Geechee Me, Geechee YOU!

    BARTRON!
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited January 2010
    Who measured -

    Romer and Huygens 1676 220,000 km/s - They used the posiiton and orbit of multiple planets and moons to calculate.
    Issac Newton 1704 light from sun to earth take 7 to 8 minutes. Actual is 8 minutes 19 seconds. Slightly more accurate reading than Romer's
    James Bradley 1728 - good ole Stellar paradox method light travels 10,210 times faster than the orbit of the earth. Actual 10,610 much more accurate.
    Hippolyte Fizeua 1849 313,00 km/s
    Leon Foucault 1862 298,000 Km/s
    Albert Michelson 1879 299,940 km/s
    Louis Essen 1950 299792.5 km/s

    Essen used advances in radar technology to make his calculation. It stands today.

    Einsteins special relativity covers the explaination for why it is universal in all frames of reference.
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited January 2010
    The answer the original intent of the post faith means to believe without evidence. All faith is blind.
  • blue falconblue falcon Posts: 128
    edited January 2010
    whar67 wrote: »
    Who measured -

    Romer and Huygens 1676 220,000 km/s - They used the posiiton and orbit of multiple planets and moons to calculate.
    Issac Newton 1704 light from sun to earth take 7 to 8 minutes. Actual is 8 minutes 19 seconds. Slightly more accurate reading than Romer's
    James Bradley 1728 - good ole Stellar paradox method light travels 10,210 times faster than the orbit of the earth. Actual 10,610 much more accurate.
    Hippolyte Fizeua 1849 313,00 km/s
    Leon Foucault 1862 298,000 Km/s
    Albert Michelson 1879 299,940 km/s
    Louis Essen 1950 299792.5 km/s

    Essen used advances in radar technology to make his calculation. It stands today.

    Einsteins special relativity covers the explaination for why it is universal in all frames of reference.

    ok but did they observe all light traveling between any and every given point in the universe? NO. This goes to my original point that science assumes the uniformity of nature. Because something is observed to happen the same way many times now, it is assumed that it has always been that way and will always be that way. Which is scientifically unprovable. Which in essence makes science based on faith.
  • geechee slimgeechee slim I bomb atomicly with socrates philosophies and hypothesis Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    whar67 wrote: »
    Who measured -

    Romer and Huygens 1676 220,000 km/s - They used the posiiton and orbit of multiple planets and moons to calculate.
    Issac Newton 1704 light from sun to earth take 7 to 8 minutes. Actual is 8 minutes 19 seconds. Slightly more accurate reading than Romer's
    James Bradley 1728 - good ole Stellar paradox method light travels 10,210 times faster than the orbit of the earth. Actual 10,610 much more accurate.
    Hippolyte Fizeua 1849 313,00 km/s
    Leon Foucault 1862 298,000 Km/s
    Albert Michelson 1879 299,940 km/s
    Louis Essen 1950 299792.5 km/s

    Essen used advances in radar technology to make his calculation. It stands today.

    Einsteins special relativity covers the explaination for why it is universal in all frames of reference.

    UH..... Thanks... ? Can we use the American system of feet, miles, yards, etc?
    Geechee Slim, Geechee Goo
    Geechee Me, Geechee YOU!

    BARTRON!
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited January 2010
    ok but did they observe all light traveling between any and every given point in the universe? NO. This goes to my original point that science assumes the uniformity of nature. Because something is observed to happen the same way many times now, it is assumed that it has always been that way and will always be that way. Which is scientifically unprovable. Which in essence makes science based on faith.

    Einsteins special relativity covers the explaination for why it is universal in all frames of reference.
  • blue falconblue falcon Posts: 128
    edited January 2010
    whar67 wrote: »
    Einsteins special relativity covers the explaination for why it is universal in all frames of reference.

    BUT HAS IT BEEN OBSERVED??? Simply because something works on paper or in a lab doesn't mean thats how it works in all given cases.
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited January 2010
    BUT HAS IT BEEN OBSERVED??? Simply because something works on paper or in a lab doesn't mean thats how it works in all given cases.

    Einsteins special relativity covers the explaination for why it is universal in all frames of reference.

    If you want an explaination you could reach out to a local college physic department and send a polite e-mail to one of the professors.
  • blue falconblue falcon Posts: 128
    edited January 2010
    So no it hasn't.
  • Hyde ParkeHyde Parke Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    alissowack wrote: »
    Faith has a significance even if it is not directed towards God. It's possible to exhibit some kind of blind reliance on a friend or family member in which you know that person's words are solid; that what is said, is almost usually what is meant; a promise told is so close to a promise kept. You almost don't have to speculate. A better question we should ask is...how solid is our word?

    and all of that means nothing at all. it all stems from a selfish starved ego..words and promises are broken by the minute. Solid means nothing either, it can change shape at any given point in consciousness.
  • Real LadyReal Lady Posts: 1,878 ✭✭
    edited January 2010
    *hunches shoulders* I'm not religous, I just walk in FAITH.
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