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"If there is a 🤬 , why does he allow so much suffering"

Huruma
Huruma Members Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
edited September 2011 in R & R (Religion and Race)
Do some people really believe that (extreme) suffering disproves the idea of a 🤬 rather than just a compassionate 🤬 ? I don't believe in a 🤬 , or any other supernatural entity, because I think the idea of a non-material 'spirit' is logically impossible, the existence of unbearable suffering has nothing to do with it. Before I became an atheist I believed in a non-interventionist 🤬 who was only capable of providing emotional support, it wasn't any personal or emotional 'trauma' that convinced me that there wasn't a 🤬 , I just decided to be honest with myself about what I genuinely believed. How people can explain an all-powerful and compassionate 🤬 who allows people to suffer is a completely separate issue from whether or not some kind of all-powerful, or at least supernatural, being exists.
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  • CeLLaR-DooR
    CeLLaR-DooR Members Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Yh IMO that's a specious argument for atheism...
  • waterproof
    waterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionMembers Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Huruma wrote: »
    Do some people really believe that (extreme) suffering disproves the idea of a 🤬 rather than just a compassionate 🤬 ? I don't believe in a 🤬 , or any other supernatural entity, because I think the idea of a non-material 'spirit' is logically impossible, the existence of unbearable suffering has nothing to do with it. Before I became an atheist I believed in a non-interventionist 🤬 who was only capable of providing emotional support, it wasn't any personal or emotional 'trauma' that convinced me that there wasn't a 🤬 , I just decided to be honest with myself about what I genuinely believed. How people can explain an all-powerful and compassionate 🤬 who allows people to suffer is a completely separate issue from whether or not some kind of all-powerful, or at least supernatural, being exists.

    🤬 done got the clouds and sunlight behind him and 🤬 , YAHUWAH dont allow the suffering, dont believe that devil lie. Follow his laws and love him and love your neighbors and he will have a hedge around you, now imagine if everybody does that, we wouldnt even have this discussion. everything you looking for and asking is in the TORAH.

    So to answer your question, people allow the suffering by listening to lucifer and breaking the most high laws
  • BlackxChild
    BlackxChild Members Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    waterproof wrote: »
    🤬 done got the clouds and sunlight behind him and 🤬 , YAHUWAH dont allow the suffering, dont believe that devil lie. Follow his laws and love him and love your neighbors and he will have a hedge around you, now imagine if everybody does that, we wouldnt even have this discussion. everything you looking for and asking is in the TORAH.

    So to answer your question, people allow the suffering by listening to lucifer and breaking the most high laws

    Lucifer has never talked to me and neither has 🤬 , thats why I dont believe this 🤬 .
  • Shuffington
    Shuffington Members Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Huruma wrote: »
    Do some people really believe that (extreme) suffering disproves the idea of a 🤬 rather than just a compassionate 🤬 ? I don't believe in a 🤬 , or any other supernatural entity, because I think the idea of a non-material 'spirit' is logically impossible, the existence of unbearable suffering has nothing to do with it. Before I became an atheist I believed in a non-interventionist 🤬 who was only capable of providing emotional support, it wasn't any personal or emotional 'trauma' that convinced me that there wasn't a 🤬 , I just decided to be honest with myself about what I genuinely believed. How people can explain an all-powerful and compassionate 🤬 who allows people to suffer is a completely separate issue from whether or not some kind of all-powerful, or at least supernatural, being exists.

    yeah, same here
  • supaman4321
    supaman4321 Members Posts: 946
    edited September 2011
    Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?

    We did test those before them, and Allah will certainly know those who are true from those who are false.

    Surah 29:2-3

    everybody gets tested nobody's life is perfect because this life isn't meant to be perfect, you deal with hardship now strive to be the best person you can be and remember Allah, be patient and remain thankful and you will be rewarded. Pretty simple, SubhanAllah

    And to the people that don't believe in 🤬 I congratulate you because at least you aren't following something blindly, I only also hope that if you were truly be presented with the Evidence or the Sign that you accept it.

    “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in 🤬 has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And 🤬 hears and knows all things.”

    2:256

    If you were being honest with yourself then I have no doubt you will at least believe in a Creator
  • Kushington
    Kushington Members Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    waterproof wrote: »
    So to answer your question, people allow the suffering by listening to lucifer and breaking the most high laws


    So you blame "lucifer" for natural disasters, injury, famine, disease, disorders and disfigurements? What do people or the devil, or even 🤬 for that matter, have to do with these unfortunate events and situations?
  • @My_nameaintearl
    @My_nameaintearl Banned Users Posts: 2,609 ✭✭
    edited September 2011
    everybody gets tested

    So children who get gang 🤬 in central Africa are being tested?
  • Manik Sona
    Manik Sona Members Posts: 350
    edited September 2011
    All of that is confusing to me as well. I have had people of all religions explain their views and none of them coincide.
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    SMH, y'all try too hard.
  • Kushington
    Kushington Members Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    kai_valya wrote: »
    life is suffering and fleeting. we all have free will and it's a gift and a curse. through our free will and choices we not only create our own suffering but we create it for others as well. that freedom is a terrifying responsibility


    How do you know you have free will? If every decision you made, as well as its subsequent outcome, was predetermined, you wouldnt know the difference
  • waterproof
    waterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionMembers Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Kushington wrote: »
    So you blame "lucifer" for natural disasters, injury, famine, disease, disorders and disfigurements? What do people or the devil, or even 🤬 for that matter, have to do with these unfortunate events and situations?

    Did i said i blame lucifier for naturals disater ect... I believe the T/S was asking why do people go through hardship. But i give my opiions on the questions you asked.


    The natural disaters, first of all some of these natural disaters are the earth's defense mechanism, straight up. we 🤬 this earth daily, polluting the air, cutting down it's lungs (cutting down trees in the amazon) and all types of 🤬 , so it's going to defend it'self.

    And disorders and disfigurements some of that is cause by the parents lack of nuturiton and not understanding which foods are good to eat, that's why there is a thing called The Dietary law. And some can be from the past life,

    John 9:1 And as Yahushua passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

    9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?


    When Eve bit that apple she let Death, sin, diease into this world by listening to lucifer, before that Sin, death ect.. had no claim over man. Now thanks to Yahushua death dont have no cliam over man. but still it's around and if you follow YAHUWAH laws he will put a hedge around
  • @My_nameaintearl
    @My_nameaintearl Banned Users Posts: 2,609 ✭✭
    edited September 2011
    kai_valya wrote: »
    what about the children that have been saved from such a fate? what about all the good there is in the world? who allows so much love and kindness and compassion in this world? who is responsible for that?

    So your response to 🤬 's permissiveness of child gang 🤬 is "well not ALL kids get gang 🤬 ."

    I'm serious. How can you say it's a "test" for a kid to be 🤬 (sometimes even to death) by a group of men? You've ducked the question once, I'd like a real answer.
  • @My_nameaintearl
    @My_nameaintearl Banned Users Posts: 2,609 ✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Supaman4321 said the struggles of life are tests from 🤬 . I asked how the gang 🤬 of a child is a good test for that child. YOU responded to me by asking "what about kids that don't get gang 🤬 ?"

    Kai, please tell us from your religious perspective, why 🤬 allows kids to be gang 🤬 and what he hopes they learn from these "tests."



    And if you would like an example that has nothing to do with free will, let's talk about fistula. Fistula is a naturally occurring problem. It is not caused by human decisions. Why does 🤬 allow it to exist if he loves his creations?

    If you don't know what fistula is, here's a brief summary:

    "Fistula typically occurs due to obstructed labor. After being in labor for agonizing hours, and in some cases, days, without access to a doctor, the baby is generally delivered stillborn and the woman is left with a hole between her bladder, 🤬 and sometimes 🤬 . This results in uncontrollable leakage that is discovered early in the post-partum period. In some cases, the woman is also left crippled from nerve damage. "

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anika-rahman/fistula-an-american-rarit_b_601734.html
  • waterproof
    waterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionMembers Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    kai_valya wrote: »
    @my_nameaintearl, i don't know how much clearer i can be, i've already answered that question in my other posts. 🤬 allows nothing, good or bad, we make suffering or joy through our own freewill and choices. if all the rapists choose right now to no longer 🤬 people, there would be no more 🤬 . if they didn't do it because 🤬 restricted them from it, then they are being controlled and little more than programmed robots. 🤬 doesn't restrict us from doing evil just like he doesn't restrict us from doing good.

    unlike you (i'm assuming, i hope i'm not incorrect) i've actually lived much of the horrible suffering you speak of firsthand. i've seen enough death and suffering in my short life time, and all it of was at the hands of people who choose to subject me to all those atrocities. but just like there were so many evil people that destroyed my life in many ways and the lives of countless others, there were people who's kindness, love and compassion saved my life.

    suffering exists, i know that, but i can not stop people from making their choices, i can only make my choices count for something. doing good, showing empathy and perpetuating love are the only ways to combat suffering imo. you can never stop people from choosing to create suffering tho, you can only stem the tide


    dont even answer earl, this dude been on here since 2002 and will use 5 different alias in one thread asking you the same question, he's a joke and he eat pork. May the Most High keep you strong
  • Kushington
    Kushington Members Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Waterproof

    how could natural disasters be an intentional act of self defense by nature if theyve been occuring since and were crucial to the formation of the planet? Dinosaurs and other animals existed and died out millions of years before humans, were
    they 🤬 the planet as well, way before original sin?
  • brainburn
    brainburn Members Posts: 5
    edited September 2011
    The argument doesn't work because 🤬 is defined as perfect to begin with. Any flaw you think you've found can never, by 🤬 's definition, actually be a flaw. Suffering is just emotionally disturbing... but I think a good question would be, why would 🤬 create us in a way that allows us to be so disturbed?
  • _武赏_
    _武赏_ Members Posts: 22
    edited September 2011
    The cause of suffering is undisciplined and untrained minds. It can only be brought into the world through unpeaceful people.

    (-)🤬 does not give the world any suffering. Dumb people are the only thing I know that give suffering. They give suffering to themselves, and they give suffering to others.

    (+)🤬 isnt giving anyone i know any peace or happiness. Wise people are the only thing i know that give peace or happiness. They give peace and happiness to themselves, and they give it to others.

    (=)🤬 has nothing to do with the peace or suffering in our lives. Its the mind.
  • alissowack
    alissowack Members Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    If 🤬 exists, why allow anything to happen...not just suffering.
  • young-king
    young-king Members Posts: 424
    edited September 2011
    its called karma for instance those africans are the 1st people to ever put HIS chosen race in slavery so if an african suffers n starves n his head weighs more than his arms n legs i can give a damn. n on top of that its about not following HIS laws he lets u suffer just like HE let US suffer for not following HIM
  • @My_nameaintearl
    @My_nameaintearl Banned Users Posts: 2,609 ✭✭
    edited September 2011
    kai_valya wrote: »
    🤬 allows nothing
    So he's not the lord of the universe. Interesting that you would admit that.
    unlike you (i'm assuming, i hope i'm not incorrect) i've actually lived much of the horrible suffering you speak of firsthand.
    Did you have a fistula problem?

    I noticed you decided not to touch that issue. Why is that?
  • Shuffington
    Shuffington Members Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Did anybody post the stupid design vid yet?
  • supaman4321
    supaman4321 Members Posts: 946
    edited September 2011
    So children who get gang 🤬 in central Africa are being tested?

    what don't you understand about the word everybody, it's pretty all encompassing no?
  • supaman4321
    supaman4321 Members Posts: 946
    edited September 2011
    Kushington wrote: »
    How do you know you have free will? If every decision you made, as well as its subsequent outcome, was predetermined, you wouldnt know the difference

    don't confuse 🤬 knowing the outcome or result of everything with a lack of free will, he doesn't force us to do anything we're completely responsible for our actions (under most ordinary circumstances) so how could we not have free will?
  • supaman4321
    supaman4321 Members Posts: 946
    edited September 2011
    Question:

    I was wondering if you could possibly help me resolve some conflicting issues. If 🤬 is All-Powerful, He must be able to prevent evil. If 🤬 is All-Good, He must want to prevent evil. But evil and suffering exist. How is it possible for 🤬 to be both All-Powerful and All-Good and still allow a world in which evil and suffering exist? I would greatly appreciate a response.



    _______
    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

    Answer provided by: Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, past president of I.S.N.A.

    Indeed Allah is All-Powerful (Al-`Aziz) and He is able to do all things (Allahu 'ala kuli shayin qadir). The Quran has mentioned this hundreds of times. It is also mentioned in the Quran that Allah is the Creator and He is the Best Creator. Glory be to Allah, the best Creator. (Al-Mu'minoon: 14)
    But then the question comes why do pain and sufferings exist in the world. We find sickness, old age and death. We see things that are ugly, people who are insane and foolish. There are storms, earthquakes, floods, draught and famine. We also see people commit sins, show disloyalty, unfaithfulness, greed and insincerity. We see people commit rapes, murders; they fight and make wars. We know all these and many more problems. There are evils caused by human beings and there are natural disasters. There are suffering for individuals and there are those that involve a large number of people.

    But we also know that this is not the whole story. Besides all these negative things, we also see beauty, health, prosperity, life, birth, wisdom, intelligence, growth and progress. We also see goodness among people, faith, sincerity, charity, love and the spirit of sacrifice. We also see a lot of virtue and piety. It is wrong to see one side of the coin and not to see the other side. Any philosophy that concentrates on one aspect of the creation and denies or ignores the other side is partially true and partial truths are no truth at all.

    It is also the fact that the element of good is more in the creation than the element of evil. We all see that there are more people who are healthy than those who are sick. There are more that eat well than those who starve.

    There are more that lead decent life than those who commit crimes. Goodness is the rule and evil is the exception. Virtue is the norm and sin is the aberration. Generally trees bear fruits, the flowers bloom, the winds move smoothly.

    But then the question is why does Allah allow these exceptions to the rules?

    Let us ask this question to understand Allah's ways in His creation. The Quran tells us that good, evil and whatever happens in this world happens by Allah's Will (mashiat Allah). Only Allah knows fully His Will. We finite beings cannot grasp fully His infinite Will and Wisdom. He runs His universe the way He deems fit. The Quran tells us that Allah is Wise and everything that Allah does is right, just, good and fair. We must submit and surrender to His Will. The Quran has not given us all the details about Allah's Will, but it has enlightened us with the guidance that is useful and sufficient for us. There are several points that we should keep in our mind to understand this issue:

    1. First of all, Allah did not make this world a permanent world. This is a temporary world and everything here has a time limit. When its times comes it will die, come to an end and finish. Neither the good things of this world are forever, nor the bad things eternal. We are here for a short time and we are being tested. Those who will pass this test will find an eternal world that is perfect and permanent. Those who will fail this test shall see the evil consequences of their sins and corruption.

    2. Allah has placed a physical law and a moral law in this universe. Allah allows suffering to occur when one or more of these laws are broken. The physical law is based on cause and effect. Sickness comes if one does not take care of ones health or is exposed to infections. A car accident occurs when one is not alert, or drives in a careless manner, or if the cars are not checked, roads and freeways are not made and kept in right shape, or the traffic laws are not right or not properly enforced. Study of causes and effects is very important to facilitate safeguards. Even here we should keep in mind that Allah often saves us and He does not let us suffer from every negligence. How many times it happens that we are not careful and still we reach safely to our destinations. The way people drive in some cities, it is a miracle that more accidents do not happen and more people do not suffer. Allah says:

    (Allah) Most Gracious! It is He Who has taught the Quran. He has created man: He has taught him speech (and Intelligence). The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed; and the herbs and the trees both (alike) bow in adoration. And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), in order that you may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures."
    (Ar-Rahman:1-10)

    The way we exceed the measures set by Allah and violate His laws of "cause and effect" is incredible. It is really the mercy of Allah that we are saved. Strictly speaking, the question should not be why does Allah allow suffering, but how much Allah protects us and saves us all the time in spite of our violations and negligence. The Quran says:
    "If Allah were to punish people according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His servants."
    (Fatir:45)


    But sometimes Allah does punish people because of their violations of His laws whether they are physical or moral. The Quran tells us that many nations and communities were destroyed because of their sinful lifestyles:

    If they treat thy (mission) as false, so did the Peoples before them (with their Prophets), the People of Noah, and Ad and Thamud. Those of Abraham and Lut; and the Companions of the Madyan people; and Moses was rejected (in the same way). But I granted respite to the Unbelievers, and (only) after that did I punish them: but how (terrible) was My rejection (of them)! How many populations have We destroyed, which were given to wrong-doing! They tumbled down on their roofs. And how many wells are lying idle and neglected, and castles lofty and well-built?" (Al-Hajj: 42-45)

    3. Suffering can also be a test and trial for some people. Allah allows some people to suffer in order to test their patience and steadfastness. Even Allah's Prophets and Messengers were made to suffer. Prophet Ayyub is mentioned in the Quran as a Prophet who was very patient. Good people sometimes suffer but their sufferings heal others and bring goodness to their communities. People learn lessons from their good examples. Martyrs die for their faith, soldiers give their lives for their nations and this brings liberation and freedom for their people.

    4. Allah sometimes allows some people to suffer to test others, how they react to them. When you see a person who is sick, poor and needy, then you are tested by Allah. Allah is there with that suffering person to test your charity and your faith. In a very moving Hadith Qudsi (Divine Hadith) the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

    Allah will say on the Day of Judgment, "O son of Adam, I was sick and you did not visit Me." He will say, "O my Lord, how could I visit You, when you are the Lord of the Worlds?" Allah will say, "Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was sick and you did not visit him? Did you not know that if you had visited him, you would have found Me there?" Allah will say, "O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not." He shall say, "O my Lord, how could I feed you and you are the Lord of the Worlds?" And Allah will say, "Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was in need of food and you did not feed him? Did you not know that if you had fed him, you would have found that to have been for Me?" "O son of Adam, I asked you for water and you did not give Me to drink." The man shall say, "O my Lord, how could I give You water, when You are the Lord of the Worlds?" Allah will say, "My servant so-and-so asked you for water and you did not give him to drink water. Did you not know that if you had given him to drink, you would have found that to have been for Me?"
    (Muslim, Hadith no. 4661)


    Prophet `Isa (Jesus), peace be upon him, is also reported to have said something similar in the Injeel (Gospel or New Testament of The Bible). (See Matthew 25: 35-45) So to summarize, we can say suffering occurs to teach us that we must adhere to Allah's natural and moral laws. It is sometimes to punish those who violate Allah's natural or moral laws. It is to test our faith in Allah and to test our commitment to human values and charity. Whenever we encounter suffering we should ask ourselves, Have we broken any law of Allah? Let us study the cause of the problem and use the corrective methods. Could it be a punishment? Let us repent and ask forgiveness and reform our ways. Could it be a test and trial for us? Let us work hard to pass this test. Believers face the sufferings with prayers, repentance and good deeds. The non-believers face the sufferings with doubts and confusions. They blame Allah or make arguments against Him. May Allah keep us on the right path, Amen!

    Allah Almighty knows best.
  • CeLLaR-DooR
    CeLLaR-DooR Members Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Question:

    I was wondering if you could possibly help me resolve some conflicting issues. If 🤬 is All-Powerful, He must be able to prevent evil. If 🤬 is All-Good, He must want to prevent evil. But evil and suffering exist. How is it possible for 🤬 to be both All-Powerful and All-Good and still allow a world in which evil and suffering exist? I would greatly appreciate a response.



    _______
    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

    Answer provided by: Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, past president of I.S.N.A.

    Indeed Allah is All-Powerful (Al-`Aziz) and He is able to do all things (Allahu 'ala kuli shayin qadir). The Quran has mentioned this hundreds of times. It is also mentioned in the Quran that Allah is the Creator and He is the Best Creator. Glory be to Allah, the best Creator. (Al-Mu'minoon: 14)
    But then the question comes why do pain and sufferings exist in the world. We find sickness, old age and death. We see things that are ugly, people who are insane and foolish. There are storms, earthquakes, floods, draught and famine. We also see people commit sins, show disloyalty, unfaithfulness, greed and insincerity. We see people commit rapes, murders; they fight and make wars. We know all these and many more problems. There are evils caused by human beings and there are natural disasters. There are suffering for individuals and there are those that involve a large number of people.

    But we also know that this is not the whole story. Besides all these negative things, we also see beauty, health, prosperity, life, birth, wisdom, intelligence, growth and progress. We also see goodness among people, faith, sincerity, charity, love and the spirit of sacrifice. We also see a lot of virtue and piety. It is wrong to see one side of the coin and not to see the other side. Any philosophy that concentrates on one aspect of the creation and denies or ignores the other side is partially true and partial truths are no truth at all.

    It is also the fact that the element of good is more in the creation than the element of evil. We all see that there are more people who are healthy than those who are sick. There are more that eat well than those who starve.

    There are more that lead decent life than those who commit crimes. Goodness is the rule and evil is the exception. Virtue is the norm and sin is the aberration. Generally trees bear fruits, the flowers bloom, the winds move smoothly.

    But then the question is why does Allah allow these exceptions to the rules?

    Let us ask this question to understand Allah's ways in His creation. The Quran tells us that good, evil and whatever happens in this world happens by Allah's Will (mashiat Allah). Only Allah knows fully His Will. We finite beings cannot grasp fully His infinite Will and Wisdom. He runs His universe the way He deems fit. The Quran tells us that Allah is Wise and everything that Allah does is right, just, good and fair. We must submit and surrender to His Will. The Quran has not given us all the details about Allah's Will, but it has enlightened us with the guidance that is useful and sufficient for us. There are several points that we should keep in our mind to understand this issue:

    1. First of all, Allah did not make this world a permanent world. This is a temporary world and everything here has a time limit. When its times comes it will die, come to an end and finish. Neither the good things of this world are forever, nor the bad things eternal. We are here for a short time and we are being tested. Those who will pass this test will find an eternal world that is perfect and permanent. Those who will fail this test shall see the evil consequences of their sins and corruption.

    2. Allah has placed a physical law and a moral law in this universe. Allah allows suffering to occur when one or more of these laws are broken. The physical law is based on cause and effect. Sickness comes if one does not take care of ones health or is exposed to infections. A car accident occurs when one is not alert, or drives in a careless manner, or if the cars are not checked, roads and freeways are not made and kept in right shape, or the traffic laws are not right or not properly enforced. Study of causes and effects is very important to facilitate safeguards. Even here we should keep in mind that Allah often saves us and He does not let us suffer from every negligence. How many times it happens that we are not careful and still we reach safely to our destinations. The way people drive in some cities, it is a miracle that more accidents do not happen and more people do not suffer. Allah says:

    (Allah) Most Gracious! It is He Who has taught the Quran. He has created man: He has taught him speech (and Intelligence). The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed; and the herbs and the trees both (alike) bow in adoration. And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), in order that you may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures."
    (Ar-Rahman:1-10)

    The way we exceed the measures set by Allah and violate His laws of "cause and effect" is incredible. It is really the mercy of Allah that we are saved. Strictly speaking, the question should not be why does Allah allow suffering, but how much Allah protects us and saves us all the time in spite of our violations and negligence. The Quran says:
    "If Allah were to punish people according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His servants."
    (Fatir:45)


    But sometimes Allah does punish people because of their violations of His laws whether they are physical or moral. The Quran tells us that many nations and communities were destroyed because of their sinful lifestyles:

    If they treat thy (mission) as false, so did the Peoples before them (with their Prophets), the People of Noah, and Ad and Thamud. Those of Abraham and Lut; and the Companions of the Madyan people; and Moses was rejected (in the same way). But I granted respite to the Unbelievers, and (only) after that did I punish them: but how (terrible) was My rejection (of them)! How many populations have We destroyed, which were given to wrong-doing! They tumbled down on their roofs. And how many wells are lying idle and neglected, and castles lofty and well-built?" (Al-Hajj: 42-45)

    3. Suffering can also be a test and trial for some people. Allah allows some people to suffer in order to test their patience and steadfastness. Even Allah's Prophets and Messengers were made to suffer. Prophet Ayyub is mentioned in the Quran as a Prophet who was very patient. Good people sometimes suffer but their sufferings heal others and bring goodness to their communities. People learn lessons from their good examples. Martyrs die for their faith, soldiers give their lives for their nations and this brings liberation and freedom for their people.

    4. Allah sometimes allows some people to suffer to test others, how they react to them. When you see a person who is sick, poor and needy, then you are tested by Allah. Allah is there with that suffering person to test your charity and your faith. In a very moving Hadith Qudsi (Divine Hadith) the Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

    Allah will say on the Day of Judgment, "O son of Adam, I was sick and you did not visit Me." He will say, "O my Lord, how could I visit You, when you are the Lord of the Worlds?" Allah will say, "Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was sick and you did not visit him? Did you not know that if you had visited him, you would have found Me there?" Allah will say, "O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not." He shall say, "O my Lord, how could I feed you and you are the Lord of the Worlds?" And Allah will say, "Did you not know that My servant so-and-so was in need of food and you did not feed him? Did you not know that if you had fed him, you would have found that to have been for Me?" "O son of Adam, I asked you for water and you did not give Me to drink." The man shall say, "O my Lord, how could I give You water, when You are the Lord of the Worlds?" Allah will say, "My servant so-and-so asked you for water and you did not give him to drink water. Did you not know that if you had given him to drink, you would have found that to have been for Me?"
    (Muslim, Hadith no. 4661)


    Prophet `Isa (Jesus), peace be upon him, is also reported to have said something similar in the Injeel (Gospel or New Testament of The Bible). (See Matthew 25: 35-45) So to summarize, we can say suffering occurs to teach us that we must adhere to Allah's natural and moral laws. It is sometimes to punish those who violate Allah's natural or moral laws. It is to test our faith in Allah and to test our commitment to human values and charity. Whenever we encounter suffering we should ask ourselves, Have we broken any law of Allah? Let us study the cause of the problem and use the corrective methods. Could it be a punishment? Let us repent and ask forgiveness and reform our ways. Could it be a test and trial for us? Let us work hard to pass this test. Believers face the sufferings with prayers, repentance and good deeds. The non-believers face the sufferings with doubts and confusions. They blame Allah or make arguments against Him. May Allah keep us on the right path, Amen!

    Allah Almighty knows best.

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