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Fact: A virgin is not what you were raised to think

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  • VIBEVIBE Posts: 54,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    So in that case, it's a fact that vampires and werewolfs exist. A giant green man runs around destroying buildings, army tanks, cars etc (hey, it was "scientific")

    Hell, it's even a fact that aliens exist, or maybe District 9 lied?
  • young lawyoung law Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    And Step wrote: »
    That is bullshit. There is no modern perception of virginity. Virginity is held as a standard in most of the Non western world for ages. And most of them are not Christians. I have been to Africa and the Far East and where they have come in contact with western norms you see the virgin idea being stressed less, but in most civilized societies it is natural for a woman to hold her virtue until marriage. Doing otherwise is a disgrace upon the family and herself, and dig this nobody has to tell her.

    You all have been so poisoned by western european degeneracy that you don't have a clue on how human beings are supposed to live in accord with nature. So you eat straight poison, you have an unnatural love for material possessions, a lack of brotherly love for your neighbor, and your children kill each other. Plus you think it is OK to plant your penis in poop filled buttocks.

    Liberty is death when knowledge and nature are absent.

    this bout to be a sig
  • sounds of jacobsounds of jacob Posts: 166
    edited January 2010
    The word virgin literaly means young women


    so yes mary had sex


    mathew ch 1

    outlines yahawahshi's

    or whom you call jesus's chronology from david to joseph


    peace

    ohh and the true jews are negroes

    www.youtube.com/soundsofjacob
  • uptownsoljauptownsolja Posts: 105
    edited January 2010
    LMAO u guys are funny. Virgin=To not bare a child lol. u niggaz really overdo this shit
  • bless the childbless the child Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    the word virgin literaly means young women


    so yes mary had sex


    mathew ch 1

    outlines yahawahshi's

    or whom you call jesus's chronology from david to joseph


    peace

    ohh and the true jews are negroes

    www.youtube.com/soundsofjacob

    bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • SoulRattler of VenomSoulRattler of Venom Posts: 458
    edited January 2010
    And Jesus had siblings anyway so of course Mary had sex before she died.
  • blue falconblue falcon Posts: 128
    edited January 2010
    The word virgin literaly means young women


    so yes mary had sex


    mathew ch 1

    outlines yahawahshi's

    or whom you call jesus's chronology from david to joseph


    peace

    ohh and the true jews are negroes

    www.youtube.com/soundsofjacob

    Mary had sex AFTER Jesus was born. When Michael the Archangel told Mary she would be with child she told him "But I have not KNOWN a man" and in case you think know means something other than sex look to genesis where adam and eve knew each other and got pregnant with Cane and Able. Or in the account of Sodom and Gamorrah where the men of the city wanted to "KNOW" the angels that were in the form of men.
  • VIBEVIBE Posts: 54,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Blue Falcon stay owning everyone here
  • And StepAnd Step Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    So name a few cultures and socities that didn't love material posessions, that didn't engage in wars. Africans most certianly engaged in tribal wars as well as people from the far east. So who exactly could you be refering to.

    First of all I said unnatural love of material possessions. Nothing wrong with material possesions. And I didn't mention wars. Quit putting words in my mouth.


    I have seen your "Christian" discourse. You really tell it like it ain't. Getting in a debate with you would be like arguing with a chopped off penis tip. I don't argue with dickheads.
  • bless the childbless the child Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    welll...when you look at the word "virgin"in Hebrew it would be "bthuwlah" which by definition means... feminine passive participle of an unused root meaning to separate; a virgin (from her privacy); sometimes (by continuation) a bride; also (figuratively) a city or state:--maid, virgin...Doesnt say anything about not having sex.

    when you look at the word in Greek it would be "parthenos" which by definition means...of unknown origin; a maiden; by implication, an unmarried daughter:--virgin...Doesnt say anything about not having sex. A virgin is an unmarried women as suggested by these definitions. They both mention "maid" or "maiden" which means an unmarried woman. Now when you read this...

    Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
    To be espoused means give an engagement present or promise to marry married. Again, we are going to look at the Greek word since the new testament is Greek. The word in Greek is "mnesteuo" which by definition means to give a souvenir (engagement present), i.e. betroth:--espouse, the word "betroth(to promise to marry)" being the key here. It also says before they came together which means before they were married.

    19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

    Now when you read that line it says Joseph is her husband so, lets define husband in Greek. The word in Greek is "aner" which by definition means, a primary word ; a man (properly as an individual male):--fellow, husband, man, sir. The word husband according to the Greek word did not mean that they were married, also it would only contradict what was already said above about them being "espoused" . Now mind you, in first line I posted it says she was found with the child of the Holy Ghost. So all this is taking place before they are married. The next line says "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily." Joseph doesnt want to make her a public example of what? and he wants to put her away privily? She was already pregnant before she was married and he wanted to keep it private in other words. Now this next line says "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." The line I already mentioned told you she was already pregnant but she was not married, hence she was a virgin. "Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." Now it says he took unto him his wife and "knew" her not until she had brought forth her son, or in other words,he didnt marry her until she had her first son.

    By definition the word knew, know and known doesnt suggest sex in every use of the word, sometimes it is implied because when people marry they have sex.
  • sounds of jacobsounds of jacob Posts: 166
    edited January 2010
    welll...when you look at the word "virgin"in Hebrew it would be "bthuwlah" which by definition means... feminine passive participle of an unused root meaning to separate; a virgin (from her privacy); sometimes (by continuation) a bride; also (figuratively) a city or state:--maid, virgin...Doesnt say anything about not having sex.

    when you look at the word in Greek it would be "parthenos" which by definition means...of unknown origin; a maiden; by implication, an unmarried daughter:--virgin...Doesnt say anything about not having sex. A virgin is an unmarried women as suggested by these definitions. They both mention "maid" or "maiden" which means an unmarried woman. Now when you read this...

    Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
    To be espoused means give an engagement present or promise to marry married. Again, we are going to look at the Greek word since the new testament is Greek. The word in Greek is "mnesteuo" which by definition means to give a souvenir (engagement present), i.e. betroth:--espouse, the word "betroth(to promise to marry)" being the key here. It also says before they came together which means before they were married.

    19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

    Now when you read that line it says Joseph is her husband so, lets define husband in Greek. The word in Greek is "aner" which by definition means, a primary word ; a man (properly as an individual male):--fellow, husband, man, sir. The word husband according to the Greek word did not mean that they were married, also it would only contradict what was already said above about them being "espoused" . Now mind you, in first line I posted it says she was found with the child of the Holy Ghost. So all this is taking place before they are married. The next line says "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily." Joseph doesnt want to make her a public example of what? and he wants to put her away privily? She was already pregnant before she was married and he wanted to keep it private in other words. Now this next line says "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." The line I already mentioned told you she was already pregnant but she was not married, hence she was a virgin. "Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." Now it says he took unto him his wife and "knew" her not until she had brought forth her son, or in other words,he didnt marry her until she had her first son.

    By definition the word knew, know and known doesnt not suggest sex, it is implied because when people marry they have sex.

    !!! FIRE


    TRUE INDEED


    the word for virgin in the torah is
    young women which is SYNONYMYS with the term VIRGIN THE hebrew word is aylaama pronounced
    (ilaama) AND IT means maiden OR WHAT WE NO TODAY AS YOUNG WOMEN







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    MATHEW CH 1

    2timothy 2:8 revelation 22 :16 Romans1:3


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    LEVI- Haitians
    SIMEON- Dominicans
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    EPHRAIM- Puerto Ricans
    MANASSEH- Cubans
    GAD- Native-American Indians
    REUBEN- Seminole Indians
    ASHER- Columbia to Uruguay (Incas)
    ISSACHAR- Mexicans (Aztecs)
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  • rapluvarapluva Posts: 232
    edited January 2010
    And Jesus had siblings anyway so of course Mary had sex before she died.

    Thoze were hiz "STEP" Brothaz/Sistaz, just like if U have step brothaz/sistaz u'd call them "my brotha/sista" doezn't mean there your "biological" brothaz/sistaz!

    U LOST CLOZE THREAD!!
  • rapluvarapluva Posts: 232
    edited January 2010
    The word virgin literaly means young women


    so yes mary had sex


    mathew ch 1

    outlines yahawahshi's

    or whom you call jesus's chronology from david to joseph


    peace

    ohh and the true jews are negroes

    www.youtube.com/soundsofjacob

    Y doez the "Septuagint" contradict the 1611/1630 KJV Bible bout the 12 Tribez?
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited January 2010
    I am stunned at the logic people attempt to use over simple semantics.

    "bthuwlah" - Googling this gets this defintion "Feminine passive participle of an unused root meaning to separate; a virgin (from her privacy); sometimes (by continuation) a bride; also (figuratively) a city or state .... maid, virgin."

    It mentions VIRGIN twice!!!

    "parthenos" - Googling this gets ... http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3933.htm on which the quote provide occurs as well as the word virgin 7 TIMES!!!

    Virgin definition .... "A person who has not experienced sexual intercourse." also "A chaste or unmarried woman; a maiden."

    Chaste - 1. Morally pure in thought or conduct; decent and modest.
    2.
    a. Not having experienced sexual intercourse; virginal.
    b. Abstaining from unlawful sexual intercourse.
    c. Abstaining from all sexual intercourse; celibate.
    3. Pure or simple in design or style; austere."

    The word virgin today means someone with out sexual experience. It come from the Latin Virgos which mean sexually inexperienced women. You can not cite definition that use the term virgin and then claim the damn word does not mean virgin. For fuck sake!!
  • tri3wtri3w Posts: 3,142 ✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Wow.............people will find just about anyhting to Argue about lol
  • bless the childbless the child Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    whar67 wrote: »
    I am stunned at the logic people attempt to use over simple semantics.

    "bthuwlah" - Googling this gets this defintion "Feminine passive participle of an unused root meaning to separate; a virgin (from her privacy); sometimes (by continuation) a bride; also (figuratively) a city or state .... maid, virgin."

    It mentions VIRGIN twice!!!

    "parthenos" - Googling this gets ... http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3933.htm on which the quote provide occurs as well as the word virgin 7 TIMES!!!

    Virgin definition .... "A person who has not experienced sexual intercourse." also "A chaste or unmarried woman; a maiden."

    Chaste - 1. Morally pure in thought or conduct; decent and modest.
    2.
    a. Not having experienced sexual intercourse; virginal.
    b. Abstaining from unlawful sexual intercourse.
    c. Abstaining from all sexual intercourse; celibate.
    3. Pure or simple in design or style; austere."

    The word virgin today means someone with out sexual experience. It come from the Latin Virgos which mean sexually inexperienced women. You can not cite definition that use the term virgin and then claim the damn word does not mean virgin. For fuck sake!!

    How are you going to try and use the word "virgo/virgin"when both Greek and Hebrew languages are older than Latin?????? How can these people be writing in a script and using words from that script if it doesnt even exist yet? In the English Bible the word they use is "virgin" but in the Hebrew text and Greek text they do NOT use the word virgin, they use the words I mentioned which does not mean virgin! How can it mean virgin if the word didnt even exist at the time they were written? When you make the parallels between Greek and Hebrew they both deal with a bride or unmarried woman in some shape or from. The reason why they say virgin is because they're giving you an english translation which has nothing to do with what it actually says in Greek or Hebrew. Like I said, how can they be using the word "virgo" or even have that as their root if Latin doesnt even exist yet??!!?
  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 8,575 Regulator
    edited January 2010
    but in the Hebrew text and Greek text they do NOT use the word virgin, they use the words I mentioned which does not mean virgin!
    then why is this thread about how the use of the word "virgin" is incorrect
  • bless the childbless the child Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    janklow wrote: »
    then why is this thread about how the use of the word "virgin" is incorrect
    ask the thread starter...I dont think the thread starter was talking about the word "virgin"exactly. He was talking about the meaning of that word itself as it relates to the text.
  • perspective@100perspective@100 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
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  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 8,575 Regulator
    edited February 2010
    ...I dont think the thread starter was talking about the word "virgin"exactly. He was talking about the meaning of that word itself as it relates to the text.
    seems like that would be more about the replacing of a word than the redefining of a word
  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    edited February 2010
    How are you going to try and use the word "virgo/virgin"when both Greek and Hebrew languages are older than Latin?????? How can these people be writing in a script and using words from that script if it doesnt even exist yet? In the English Bible the word they use is "virgin" but in the Hebrew text and Greek text they do NOT use the word virgin, they use the words I mentioned which does not mean virgin! How can it mean virgin if the word didnt even exist at the time they were written? When you make the parallels between Greek and Hebrew they both deal with a bride or unmarried woman in some shape or from. The reason why they say virgin is because they're giving you an english translation which has nothing to do with what it actually says in Greek or Hebrew. Like I said, how can they be using the word "virgo" or even have that as their root if Latin doesnt even exist yet??!!?

    I have to explain how definitions work!?!?!

    Ok they list a word then describe what that word means.

    So when they say the definition of the hebrew word is virgin then it means virgin. The fact that hebrew is older is immaterial. The word meant virgin then and now translated to english means virgin. Its not like there were no virgins running around before we invited the word.
  • SoulRattler of VenomSoulRattler of Venom Posts: 458
    edited February 2010
    ask the thread starter...I dont think the thread starter was talking about the word "virgin"exactly. He was talking about the meaning of that word itself as it relates to the text.

    You are correct sir. As it relates to the text, "virgin" does not properly identify with what Mary actually was.
  • demandreddemandred Posts: 142
    edited February 2010
    Chike wrote: »
    I agree 100%, good thread.

    I see after all this time off you still just randomly believe whatever people tell you....long as it contradicts the Status Quo
    You are correct sir. As it relates to the text, "virgin" does not properly identify with what Mary actually was.

    Soul.... are you serious?....

    and bless why are you co-signing this obviously under researched topic.... this one is not salvageable
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