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When it comes to the "bigger than hip hop" title Diddy>>>>>>>>>>Jay-Z

BackInWhite
BackInWhite Members Posts: 23,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 2011 in The Face Off Forum
hands down
when you think of Diddy you think of Ciroc, Sean John, his perfume and cologne and all that
when you think of Jay you might think of Rocawear, 40/40 clubs, the nets, etc., etc
but it all comes back to rapper
how can Jay be bigger than the genre when he's still an artist?
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  • Already Home_17
    Already Home_17 Members Posts: 14,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    no one artist is bigger than the entire genre
  • stealthbomber
    stealthbomber Members Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    true dat. but jay-z was the first rapper to become bigger than hip hop. diddys a suit who rapped to get his label on the map. he never was a true rapper like jay or big so its you cant really compare them.
  • BackInWhite
    BackInWhite Members Posts: 23,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    sboogie wrote: »
    I've never seen Diddy on the Daily Show...
    /thread...

    i've never seen jay in a movie that actually released in theaters
    open thread back up, sir
  • PanchoYoSancho
    PanchoYoSancho To all the killas and the hundid dolla billasMembers Posts: 13,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    When I think of Diddy, I think of 🤬 over every one of your last artists of the last 20 years, closest faggotry, ghost writing, shiny suits, 🤬 pop groups, and not having any real talent but still manages to hold himself up for two decades.






    I give props :tu
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    hands down
    when you think of Diddy you think of Ciroc, Sean John, his perfume and cologne and all that
    when you think of Jay you might think of Rocawear, 40/40 clubs, the nets, etc., etc
    but it all comes back to rapper
    how can Jay be bigger than the genre when he's still an artist?

    That's a pretty damn good question...let's ask Jayhova's Witnesses...
  • 1of1
    1of1 Members Posts: 37,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    Lol Diddy still argues with peasants.

    Not that that has anything to do with 🤬 .
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    true dat. but jay-z was the first rapper to become bigger than hip hop. diddys a suit who rapped to get his label on the map. he never was a true rapper like jay or big so its you cant really compare them.

    The whole "bigger than Hip Hop" shtick is just another form of narcissism in the culture and it really holds no power for the actual artist...it's like the artist that wants to hold that title trying to be "separate" from Hip Hop due to the bank account and his life being viewed throughout the mainstream 24/7 but really is not, so BackInWhite has a point.
  • JokerzWyld
    JokerzWyld Fazer o que você gosta é liberdade. Gostar do que você faz é felicidade Chocolate CityMembers Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    no one artist is bigger than the entire genre

    damn you beat me to it
  • Elzo69Renaissance
    Elzo69Renaissance Never selling dreams, always serving cream SeattleMembers Posts: 50,708 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    man Diddy threw in the towel when it comes to the music business. So i guess u re right cuz Diddy is really no longer involved in music. He s a liquor salesman
  • BackInWhite
    BackInWhite Members Posts: 23,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    man Diddy threw in the towel when it comes to the music business. So i guess u re right cuz Diddy is really no longer involved in music. He s a liquor salesman

    he didn't throw in the towel
    he's a business.....man
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    man Diddy threw in the towel when it comes to the music business. So i guess u re right cuz Diddy is really no longer involved in music. He s a liquor salesman

    He still has his hands in the music one way or another....
  • Elzo69Renaissance
    Elzo69Renaissance Never selling dreams, always serving cream SeattleMembers Posts: 50,708 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    he didn't throw in the towel
    he's a business.....man
    BadBoy is damn near defunct... u cant be bigger than 🤬 when u are no longer relevant in it...
  • Already Home_17
    Already Home_17 Members Posts: 14,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    im tryna think of what diddy has that jay dont

    diddy has justins, jay has 40/40
    diddy promotes ciroc, jay promotes ace of spades
    both have their own fragrance
    both have their own clothing line
    both ran record labels that were/are successful
    and etc.
  • Elzo69Renaissance
    Elzo69Renaissance Never selling dreams, always serving cream SeattleMembers Posts: 50,708 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    He still has his hands in the music one way or another....
    u r right he just signed Machine GUn Kelly And Cassie's singles droped 3 weeks ago...
  • BackInWhite
    BackInWhite Members Posts: 23,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    im tryna think of what diddy has that jay dont

    diddy has justins, jay has 40/40
    diddy promotes ciroc, jay promotes ace of spades
    both have their own fragrance
    both have their own clothing line
    both ran record labels that were/are successful
    and etc.

    jay still drops albums
    jay still raps
    jay is an artist
    when people say jay-z they say clothing line, label, club, basketball team, and cologne owner and multiplatinum ARTIST
    that 🤬 is a rapper
    when you get past all the 🤬 he owns and all he has accrued that 🤬 is still at the core a rapper
  • Elzo69Renaissance
    Elzo69Renaissance Never selling dreams, always serving cream SeattleMembers Posts: 50,708 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    im tryna think of what diddy has that jay dont

    diddy has justins, jay has 40/40
    diddy promotes ciroc, jay promotes ace of spades
    both have their own fragrance
    both have their own clothing line
    both ran record labels that were/are successful
    and etc.

    but currently their labels are heading in opposite directions
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    sboogie wrote: »
    there is no class being taught about Diddy...
    btw, no one is 'bigger than hip hop"...

    True..but you know what..that "bigger than Hip Hop" 🤬 is annoying...but only 🤬 like Steve Stoute uses it for an excuse when Wayne was coming at Jay's neck..
  • Elzo69Renaissance
    Elzo69Renaissance Never selling dreams, always serving cream SeattleMembers Posts: 50,708 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    jay still drops albums
    jay still raps
    jay is an artist
    when people say jay-z they say clothing line, label, club, basketball team, and cologne owner and multiplatinum ARTIST
    that 🤬 is a rapper
    when you get past all the 🤬 he owns and all he has accrued that 🤬 is still at the core a rapper
    cs...................
  • Elzo69Renaissance
    Elzo69Renaissance Never selling dreams, always serving cream SeattleMembers Posts: 50,708 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    True..but you know what..that "bigger than Hip Hop" 🤬 is annoying...but only 🤬 like Steve Stoute uses it for an excuse when Wayne was coming at Jay's neck..
    puffy already beat his ass lmao....
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    jay still drops albums
    jay still raps
    jay is an artist
    when people say jay-z they say clothing line, label, club, basketball team, and cologne owner and multiplatinum ARTIST
    that 🤬 is a rapper
    when you get past all the 🤬 he owns and all he has accrued that 🤬 is still at the core a rapper

    Funny thing about what you said...any artist, with the right connections of course, could do the same 🤬 .
  • BackInWhite
    BackInWhite Members Posts: 23,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    i don't believe anyone is bigger than the genre that made them who they are
    but if you could separate any 1 man from it then Diddy would have to be the 1
    i mean
    check his last album if you want
    🤬 was singin in a group with 2 🤬
    that 🤬 wasn't hip hop!
  • TimeToParty
    TimeToParty Members Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    dont matter eminem is bigger then both of them
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    puffy already beat his ass lmao....

    Exactly. Stoute's a non-confrontational ass 🤬 so of course he would say that 🤬 , not to mention he's partnered with Jay on the advertising/marketing business venture.
  • BackInWhite
    BackInWhite Members Posts: 23,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    dont matter eminem is bigger then both of them

    as far as what?
    RAP, 🤬
    eminem is nowhere near on them 🤬 level when it comes to outside business ventures
    when's the last time you seen a muhfucka wearin shady ltd.?
  • Already Home_17
    Already Home_17 Members Posts: 14,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2011
    .................
    as far as what?
    RAP, 🤬
    eminem is nowhere near on them 🤬 level when it comes to outside business ventures
    when's the last time you seen a muhfucka wearin shady ltd.?

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