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Why is it so easy to misunderstand the Bible?

SoulRattler of Venom
SoulRattler of Venom Members Posts: 458
edited January 2010 in R & R (Religion and Race)
Serious question to the remaining Christians on the IC. If it truly is the word of 🤬 , shouldn't it be perfectly understandable and relatable to everyone willing to believe what's inside?

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  • blue falcon
    blue falcon Members Posts: 128
    edited January 2010
    there are a number of reasons

    1. Many people will read their own presuppositions into the bible. This is what is called proof texting. They take parts of the bible out of context interpret them in a vaccum and form beliefs around that rather than forming doctrine from the bible people ineffect read their doctrine INTO the bible.

    2. Some people try to understand the bible with a "natural mind". Many people will approach the bible with a mind that is "logical", "rational" and "practical" however the bible says that it is foolishness to the carnal mind and only accessable to those with a spiritual mind. Jesus prayed to the Father before sending His disciples out and said that He rejoiced that He revealed the things of 🤬 not to the prudent but to the babe (simple minded). The bible says that the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing but to us who are saved it is the very power of 🤬 .

    3. Some people are using the wrong bible. I firmly believe that many bible misunderstandings (and I've shown this time and again in the old R&R fourm) that bible version is key. One version says one thing others say something different. The Lord our 🤬 is NOT the author of confusion so it must be that the devil has had his hand in trying to corrpt and lead us astray with false bible versions. It is my belief and I have some proof such as underlying manuscripts and such that the King James Bible.

    4. Not having the guidance of the Holy Spirit. This goes along with point 2 but not having the guidance of the Holy Spirit to teach you things about the bible and give you revelations about scripture is a key.

    So these are just a few reasons. I'm sure there are more but I cannot think of them off top.
  • alissowack
    alissowack Members Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    If it is truly the Word of 🤬 , then we all are subject to it whether we understand it or not. 🤬 isn't interested in how well-informed we are to His Word (though it is important), but do we believe in it; that in spite of things that are left unclear, we would be faithful to it. Having faith is a hard thing to do when trusting somebody these days is risking being betrayed.
  • blue falcon
    blue falcon Members Posts: 128
    edited January 2010
    alissowack wrote: »
    If it is truly the Word of 🤬 , then we all are subject to it whether we understand it or not. 🤬 isn't interested in how well-informed we are to His Word (though it is important), but do we believe in it; that in spite of things that are left unclear, we would be faithful to it. Having faith is a hard thing to do when trusting somebody these days is risking being betrayed.

    How can you be faithful to the word if you aren't well informed to it?
  • alissowack
    alissowack Members Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    How can you be faithful to the word if you aren't well informed to it?

    Well, there are people who know the Bible backwards and forwards and don't believe in it. And if you take into consideration the thief on the cross with Jesus, it wasn't like he was taking a crash course before he died.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    The biggest reason it's easy to misunderstand the Bible is because none of us were living in the time period in which it was written. Just think about the vernacular we use and imagine how much of it will actually be understood in context 2000 years from now.

    I'll give an example. I heard this one scholar talking about the Bible. And he was discussing the "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven" line. Over the years, several groups have used this line to renounce wealth because they were thinking about a camel passing through the eye of an actual needle. That's clearly impossible, so the line would imply that rich people can't go to heaven. In reality, there are these rock formation in the desert that during those times were referred to as "the eye of the needle" Camels can pass through them, it would just take some effort. See how the context of the line changes just from that bit of knowledge.
  • Israelites
    Israelites Members Posts: 280
    edited January 2010
    it's easy to misunderstand, because people haven't been taught the proper way to read the scriptures.... line upon line percept upon percept, we have to search the scriptures for the true meaning & understanding... Most people like to read the bible & give their own personal interpretation of what something means, but if they knew better they would know that's not the way 🤬 operates his word....

    Another reason why is because we've been denied the simplicity of the word do to our sins... once we repent (change our sinful ways), be baptized & live accordingly to the LORDs laws, statues & commandments we will start to understand the ENTIRE bible, not just certain parts that make us feel good...

    It's not like back in the day when angels (gabriel-holy spirit/angel) would visit man & give instructions on what to do, all that came to a stop after the resurrection of Christ.... so all we have now is his word (holy bible) to live by as an example of what to do or else it will be used against us as a witness when judgement time is appointed.
  • Focal Point
    Focal Point Kushite descent... wandering child from Meru of Old TrentonMembers Posts: 16,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Because it's up for interpretation, I sometimes wonder if 🤬 even meant for everyone to take things in the same way being that we're all different, plus in many ways it's not clear cut and concise because of the mistranslations from Greek to Latin to southern Euro languages and northern Euro languages...
  • sounds of jacob
    sounds of jacob Banned Users Posts: 166
    edited January 2010
    THE BOOK IS LOCKED ITS ONLY GIVEN TO HIS ELECT OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL WHICH ARE REALLY YOU NEGROES LATINOS AND NATIVE AMERICANS

    WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO BROTHERS AND SISTERS

    PEACE

    THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL

    JUDAH- American Blacks
    BENJAMIN- West Indian Blacks
    LEVI- Haitians
    SIMEON- Dominicans
    ZEBULON- Black Indians Guatemala to Panama(Mayans)
    EPHRAIM- Puerto Ricans
    MANASSEH- Cubans
    GAD- Native-American Indians
    REUBEN- Seminole Indians
    ASHER- Columbia to Uruguay (Incas)
    ISSACHAR- Mexicans (Aztecs)
    NAPTHALI- Argentina/Chile
    PEACE

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  • Focal Point
    Focal Point Kushite descent... wandering child from Meru of Old TrentonMembers Posts: 16,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    THE BOOK IS LOCKED ITS ONLY GIVEN TO HIS ELECT OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL WHICH ARE REALLY YOU NEGROES LATINOS AND NATIVE AMERICANS

    WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO BROTHERS AND SISTERS

    PEACE

    THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL

    JUDAH- American Blacks
    BENJAMIN- West Indian Blacks
    LEVI- Haitians
    SIMEON- Dominicans
    ZEBULON- Black Indians Guatemala to Panama(Mayans)
    EPHRAIM- Puerto Ricans
    MANASSEH- Cubans
    GAD- Native-American Indians
    REUBEN- Seminole Indians
    ASHER- Columbia to Uruguay (Incas)
    ISSACHAR- Mexicans (Aztecs)
    NAPTHALI- Argentina/Chile
    PEACE

    WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/SOUNDSOFJACOB

    Ima need for you to thoroughly explain this, in your own words, not the video or the philosopher's
  • Shuffington
    Shuffington Members Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    good posts

    I wonder why so many people struggle to follow things literally...it's one thing to use the book as a source for inspiration, but to follow any book in it's most literal sense is a recipe for misunderstanding IMO.


    yeah, thats a recipe for disaster....its what is called absolutism.
    insane how you can be so sure of something with a ton of different interpretations to it.
  • alissowack
    alissowack Members Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    There is nothing inherently wrong with other translations and different translations if it serves the purpose of communicating what couldn't be done intellectually. But the "disaster" comes is when translations and interpretations spawn from personal presuppositions and world views.
  • supaman4321
    supaman4321 Members Posts: 946
    edited January 2010
    THE BOOK IS LOCKED ITS ONLY GIVEN TO HIS ELECT OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL WHICH ARE REALLY YOU NEGROES LATINOS AND NATIVE AMERICANS

    WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO BROTHERS AND SISTERS

    PEACE

    THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL

    JUDAH- American Blacks
    BENJAMIN- West Indian Blacks
    LEVI- Haitians
    SIMEON- Dominicans
    ZEBULON- Black Indians Guatemala to Panama(Mayans)
    EPHRAIM- Puerto Ricans
    MANASSEH- Cubans
    GAD- Native-American Indians
    REUBEN- Seminole Indians
    ASHER- Columbia to Uruguay (Incas)
    ISSACHAR- Mexicans (Aztecs)
    NAPTHALI- Argentina/Chile
    PEACE

    WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/SOUNDSOFJACOB



    so you think that salvation is only for a specific race?

    O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allāh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2). Verily, Allāh is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Al-Hujurat 49:13)

    Do you honestly believe your Creator would care more about the color of your skin than the contents of your heart?
  • DoUwant2go2Heaven
    DoUwant2go2Heaven When the first trumpet sounds!!!! Agggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Babylon the GreatMembers Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    1. Apart from the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to comprehend the holy word of 🤬 . Only 🤬 can reveal Himself to you and He does that through the Holy Spirit.


    Understanding the Bible without the Holy Spirit is like a 2 year old trying to do trigonometry. Impossible.
  • sounds of jacob
    sounds of jacob Banned Users Posts: 166
    edited January 2010
    so you think that salvation is only for a specific race?

    O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allāh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2). Verily, Allāh is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Al-Hujurat 49:13)

    Do you honestly believe your Creator would care more about the color of your skin than the contents of your heart?




    YOU HAVE BEEN DECIEVED BY CHRISTIANITY ... READ REV CH 7 ... THERE WILL BE 12 THOUSAND FROM EACH TRIBE AND 1/3 OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL WHOM WILL RULE OVER THE WORLD ALL 196 MILLION 948 THOUSAND OF IT ... UNDER WHOM THE WORLD CALLS JESUS THE CHRIST

    isiah 14

    1For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

    2And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
  • PapaJuice
    PapaJuice Banned Users Posts: 435
    edited January 2010
    ya think 🤬 wants for u to adapt to blind faith? that's dangerous
    but there is something mystical and mysterious about religion and especially books of christianity
    everyone has DIFFERENT opinions and nobody in mainstream knows wut the bible is here for
    a test, a riddle, basic instructions before leaving earth, a guide?
    a lot of unanswered quesitons remain in the book and a lot of opinions differ from groups
    those who follow by blind faith and do as they are told, I don't think are doing it right
    but thats just anotha opinion
  • Shuffington
    Shuffington Members Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2010
    Serious question to the remaining Christians on the IC. If it truly is the word of 🤬 , shouldn't it be perfectly understandable and relatable to everyone willing to believe what's inside?

    why is it necessary to understand something if you already believe it. Even if you did come to the conclusion that what your trying to understand isnt comprehensible...you will still believe it. So the only reason to try and comprehend what you believe is to explain to others. Different people will interpret what they can conclude from the information that they gathered. Nothing is really tested, screened, examined....its all up too interpretation based on the POV of the presenter. So at the end of the day...it doesnt really matter....only thing that matters is that you "believe".
  • TX_Made713
    TX_Made713 Members Posts: 3,954 ✭✭
    edited January 2010
    idk...maybe the years of mistranslations and missing books have something to do with it......