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The Official MMA Thread: Alvarez TKOs Gaethje, Ngannou KOs Overeem, Holloway TKOs Aldo

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  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Who I am is Complex, What i am, simply put. I'm a Threat walking out the lions denGuests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    they want him to be the great white hope.

    its not about it coming back to america...its about it coming back to white
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2013
    Ultimately Silva has himself to blame for taking Weidman so lightly in the first place. If he had actually showed up in the first fight he may have still been champ. Him 🤬 around in the first fight and getting stretched allowed Weidman to become acclimated to fighting him, i.e. the checking leg kicks (which he did not do in the first fight).

    Not to mention the repercussions getting knocked out had on his chin.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree that Weidman beat Silva. The ending was pretty flukey, but that doesn't change the fact that Weidman is the victor. And the idea that blocks are offense as well as defense isn't a Muay Thai thing. It should a "striking" thing. There is a such thing as passive blocking where you are just trying to minimize the damage done to you. There is also active blocking where you are essentially attacking you opponent while defending against their attacks.

    All that said, I'm not going to sit here and act like Weidman checked that kick in any special way or with any intention of damaging Silva the way he did. Silva's leg breaking was really just a stroke of luck for Weidman, but a lucky stroke that was only possible because of his skill.

  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Eatin pussy and kickin ass Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you check someone's leg kicks like Weidman did tho, good chance they stop throwing leg kicks. Silva is da 🤬 but his run was up and it ended very. That's a game. MMA is a brutal sport and everyone has a shelf life.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To be honest, I'm surprised something like this hasn't happened sooner. Silva's legs have always looked small to me. I always wondered how he could get away with throwing kicks like he does without hurting himself more.
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  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Who I am is Complex, What i am, simply put. I'm a Threat walking out the lions denGuests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    maybe its me but uh..

    the only way i would feel i won this fight is if i was scared of the 🤬 to begin with.

    other than that i wanna be the best by decisively beating the best...i wanna hold my head up knowing i whipped dat ass....not winning on a fluke.

    a true champion would feel robbed of his true victory.

    i guess when your have a corner who doesnt like your opponent (for other reasons)and a fighter who doesnt like his opponent(for toher reasons)...they dont care as long as they got the win
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Silva's run was up. Weidman would have beat him regardless. He is too strong and too skilled for Silva's current old man status.

    And y'all in here whining about all this lucky 🤬 , at what point do your realize that Silva was getting his ass whooped in the rounds they did finish out? In the first round of the first fight, Weidman won. In the first round of the 2nd fight, Weidman won even more decisively.

    And let's not act like Silva doesn't have a couple of "fluke" wins himself. That kick on Vitor would not happen again and his triangle on Chael in the 5th was some luck 🤬 .
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2013
    I think the difference between Silva and Weidman is Silva actually made a career out of "flukes".

    When you finish people in all kinds of improbable ways for 7+ years with no losses, things start looking less flukeish and more, that's just how your cut.

    If Weidman goes on to have even half the career Silva had/has then we can start comparing them. Personally I'm not buying this "new breed" rhetoric and I think Vitor is going to starch him.
  • sobek
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    Missed the fight... Just caught a reply...

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  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Who I am is Complex, What i am, simply put. I'm a Threat walking out the lions denGuests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the difference between Silva and Weidman is Silva actually made a career out of "flukes".

    When you finish people in all kinds of improbable ways for 7+ years with no losses, things start looking less flukeish and more, that's just how your cut.

    If Weidman goes on to have even half the career Silva had/has then we can start comparing them. Personally I'm not buying this "new breed" rhetoric and I think Vitor is going to starch him.

    i have seen him stop people in crazy fashion an his power was shown and his skill were shown also.

    i think the problem alot of people have is like you said....dude is not the future until he proves it.

    ok ok ok

    we can give him the fluke win....but i would not say he is the future yet.

    and plus i still have problem with his unsportsmanlike corner. that is the same 🤬 people got mad at Adrien broner for.
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  • jono
    jono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weidman is the new Matt Serra.. We shall see, in any event he got the win. It's on his resume and you can't take it off.

    Let's see how the cat fares. I'll be laughing my ass off if Vitor takes the strap from him.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Eatin pussy and kickin ass Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you really liked Silva, wouldn't you want his usurper to be really good and hold the belt for a while? Otherwise it really just looks like Silva's time was up.
  • ill_lojikal_kon
    ill_lojikal_kon Members Posts: 179 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    jono wrote: »
    Weidman is the new Matt Serra.. We shall see, in any event he got the win. It's on his resume and you can't take it off.

    Let's see how the cat fares. I'll be laughing my ass off if Vitor takes the strap from him.

    Weidman, (who ironically was trained by Sierra) is not the new Matt Sierra. There were people that thought Weidman was a legitimate threat against Silva and based on the fights he had including the two against Silva those views were valid.

    Not a got damn soul (even this own mother) thought Sierra was gonna win against GSP. THAT was a true upset.

  • DOPEdweebz
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    edited January 2014
    Weidman if anything is a white version of Jon Jones, just a little bit older and i'm nots ure if he's as good or close YET.. he's way above Matt Sera. If he beats belfort and machida than that more than backs up my claim. this guy beat both Phil Davis and Ryan bader in collegiate wrestling. Was in the ADCC BJJ tourney in 2009 and lost to Vinny Malgahares a guy who has submitted HWs like Werdum.

    6'2" 79" reach. STILL UNDEFEATED!


    He also beat that overrated Uriah Hall earlier in their careers.

  • DOPEdweebz
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    If Michael Paige runs through the bellator WW division Id love to see that guy in the UFC on a sidenote.
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    It's funny going through old pages in this thread and reading them.

    Everyone counted out Weidman (including me), and even though his wins were kind of flukey he still fought a smarter fight than maybe any of Silva's past opponents.

    Though he did have one of the easiest paths to a title shot since like Brock Lesnar. Munoz and a "on his way out" Maia?. Come on now.

    If Vitor ends up stretching him though the UFC is going to look real dumb.
  • cainvelasquez
    cainvelasquez Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    UFC Singapore on now
  • Muhannad
    Muhannad Members Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wack card like I expected.

    Tarec Saffiedine should have finished Lim off in the 3rd round. Lim was done and open after those legkicks softened him up. Tarec should've gone to the liver, feign lowkicks and throw the right jab like his corner told him and feign legkicks and throw mawashi's to Lim's head. Instead he allowed Lim to go for broke in the 5th and allowed himself to get into a wild exchange in the 5th and almost got in trouble.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Silva's run was up. Weidman would have beat him regardless. He is too strong and too skilled for Silva's current old man status.

    And y'all in here whining about all this lucky 🤬 , at what point do your realize that Silva was getting his ass whooped in the rounds they did finish out? In the first round of the first fight, Weidman won. In the first round of the 2nd fight, Weidman won even more decisively.

    And let's not act like Silva doesn't have a couple of "fluke" wins himself. That kick on Vitor would not happen again and his triangle on Chael in the 5th was some luck 🤬 .

    Gotta disagree with most of what you said here.

    I do think Weidman could have won either fight without the flukey stuff, but I don't think he's proven that he's too strong or skilled for Silva. After all, Silva was starting to take over the fight when he got caught in the first one. And while he was getting beaten in the second fight, it wasn't much worse than he's already been beaten before coming back and winning in the very next round.

    Also, neither of those Silva wins you mentioned were flukes. Silva set Vitor up making him think the attack was coming low and then hit him high. And Chael himself admitted he got overzealous and Anderson made him pay. Look at Chael's career. That isn't even the first time he's gotten caught like that.

    Silva may be on the downward turn, but I won't say his run is up. I think if he took the first fight a little more seriously, he could have won.
  • dneez0228
    dneez0228 Members Posts: 29
    Silva was looking better in the second round of the first fight, so maybe he could've pulled that out, but in fight 2 he was clearly losing both rounds. Hell he got rocked in the first round and woke back up when he hit the ground. Weidman was working him in fight 2.
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014

    Gotta disagree with most of what you said here.

    I do think Weidman could have won either fight without the flukey stuff, but I don't think he's proven that he's too strong or skilled for Silva. After all, Silva was starting to take over the fight when he got caught in the first one. And while he was getting beaten in the second fight, it wasn't much worse than he's already been beaten before coming back and winning in the very next round.

    Also, neither of those Silva wins you mentioned were flukes. Silva set Vitor up making him think the attack was coming low and then hit him high. And Chael himself admitted he got overzealous and Anderson made him pay. Look at Chael's career. That isn't even the first time he's gotten caught like that.

    Silva may be on the downward turn, but I won't say his run is up. I think if he took the first fight a little more seriously, he could have won.

    Silva didn't take over anything in the first fight. He was getting outclassed in the first round, so in the 2nd round he tried and was temporarily successful in throwing Weidman off his gameplan by doing that taunting 🤬 .

    He knew Weidman would be extremely hard to beat if Weidman stuck to his gameplan, so he tried to change the pace to more of his (Silva's) style of fighting. The problem is Weidman has more reach than Silva, so Silva wasn't able to stay clear from danger like he usually does against 90% of the other fighters with shorter reach.

    That taunting tactic is a high risk, high reward maneuver. You can 🤬 your opponent off and throw him off his game, but you can also get caught and put to sleep. Silva happened to get the short end of the stick this time and got knocked out.

    ... He proved he was too skilled for Silva when he kept taking him down with ease, and even winning the stand up exchanges. He proved he was too strong for Silva, when Silva had him in the Muay Thai clinch and Weidman knocked him to the ground with a simple push.

    ... Silva's win over Chael was a definite fluke and that's not up for debate. He lost 4 1/2 rounds straight and got lucky in the last minute. Silva's win over Vitor may not be the standard definition of a fluke, but if they fought again, Silva wouldn't win in that fashion. He would probably lose in his current old man status... and Silva's run is most definitely up. He's finished.
  • lurkinassnigga
    lurkinassnigga Members Posts: 453 ✭✭✭
    Dominick Cruz injured his groin and has not only pulled out of UFC 169, but also vacated his title. Renan Barao is the official BW champ with Urijah Faber stepping in for Cruz at UFC 169.