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The Official MMA Thread: Alvarez TKOs Gaethje, Ngannou KOs Overeem, Holloway TKOs Aldo

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  • DOPEdweebz
    DOPEdweebz What title? www.facebook.com/DOPEdweebzMembers, Moderators, Writer Posts: 29,364 Regulator
    edited January 2014
    Weidman if anything is a white version of Jon Jones, just a little bit older and i'm nots ure if he's as good or close YET.. he's way above Matt Sera. If he beats belfort and machida than that more than backs up my claim. this guy beat both Phil Davis and Ryan bader in collegiate wrestling. Was in the ADCC BJJ tourney in 2009 and lost to Vinny Malgahares a guy who has submitted HWs like Werdum.

    6'2" 79" reach. STILL UNDEFEATED!


    He also beat that overrated Uriah Hall earlier in their careers.

  • DOPEdweebz
    DOPEdweebz What title? www.facebook.com/DOPEdweebzMembers, Moderators, Writer Posts: 29,364 Regulator
    If Michael Paige runs through the bellator WW division Id love to see that guy in the UFC on a sidenote.
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    It's funny going through old pages in this thread and reading them.

    Everyone counted out Weidman (including me), and even though his wins were kind of flukey he still fought a smarter fight than maybe any of Silva's past opponents.

    Though he did have one of the easiest paths to a title shot since like Brock Lesnar. Munoz and a "on his way out" Maia?. Come on now.

    If Vitor ends up stretching him though the UFC is going to look real dumb.
  • cainvelasquez
    cainvelasquez Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    UFC Singapore on now
  • Muhannad
    Muhannad Members Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wack card like I expected.

    Tarec Saffiedine should have finished Lim off in the 3rd round. Lim was done and open after those legkicks softened him up. Tarec should've gone to the liver, feign lowkicks and throw the right jab like his corner told him and feign legkicks and throw mawashi's to Lim's head. Instead he allowed Lim to go for broke in the 5th and allowed himself to get into a wild exchange in the 5th and almost got in trouble.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Silva's run was up. Weidman would have beat him regardless. He is too strong and too skilled for Silva's current old man status.

    And y'all in here whining about all this lucky 🤬 , at what point do your realize that Silva was getting his ass whooped in the rounds they did finish out? In the first round of the first fight, Weidman won. In the first round of the 2nd fight, Weidman won even more decisively.

    And let's not act like Silva doesn't have a couple of "fluke" wins himself. That kick on Vitor would not happen again and his triangle on Chael in the 5th was some luck 🤬 .

    Gotta disagree with most of what you said here.

    I do think Weidman could have won either fight without the flukey stuff, but I don't think he's proven that he's too strong or skilled for Silva. After all, Silva was starting to take over the fight when he got caught in the first one. And while he was getting beaten in the second fight, it wasn't much worse than he's already been beaten before coming back and winning in the very next round.

    Also, neither of those Silva wins you mentioned were flukes. Silva set Vitor up making him think the attack was coming low and then hit him high. And Chael himself admitted he got overzealous and Anderson made him pay. Look at Chael's career. That isn't even the first time he's gotten caught like that.

    Silva may be on the downward turn, but I won't say his run is up. I think if he took the first fight a little more seriously, he could have won.
  • dneez0228
    dneez0228 Members Posts: 29
    Silva was looking better in the second round of the first fight, so maybe he could've pulled that out, but in fight 2 he was clearly losing both rounds. Hell he got rocked in the first round and woke back up when he hit the ground. Weidman was working him in fight 2.
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014

    Gotta disagree with most of what you said here.

    I do think Weidman could have won either fight without the flukey stuff, but I don't think he's proven that he's too strong or skilled for Silva. After all, Silva was starting to take over the fight when he got caught in the first one. And while he was getting beaten in the second fight, it wasn't much worse than he's already been beaten before coming back and winning in the very next round.

    Also, neither of those Silva wins you mentioned were flukes. Silva set Vitor up making him think the attack was coming low and then hit him high. And Chael himself admitted he got overzealous and Anderson made him pay. Look at Chael's career. That isn't even the first time he's gotten caught like that.

    Silva may be on the downward turn, but I won't say his run is up. I think if he took the first fight a little more seriously, he could have won.

    Silva didn't take over anything in the first fight. He was getting outclassed in the first round, so in the 2nd round he tried and was temporarily successful in throwing Weidman off his gameplan by doing that taunting 🤬 .

    He knew Weidman would be extremely hard to beat if Weidman stuck to his gameplan, so he tried to change the pace to more of his (Silva's) style of fighting. The problem is Weidman has more reach than Silva, so Silva wasn't able to stay clear from danger like he usually does against 90% of the other fighters with shorter reach.

    That taunting tactic is a high risk, high reward maneuver. You can 🤬 your opponent off and throw him off his game, but you can also get caught and put to sleep. Silva happened to get the short end of the stick this time and got knocked out.

    ... He proved he was too skilled for Silva when he kept taking him down with ease, and even winning the stand up exchanges. He proved he was too strong for Silva, when Silva had him in the Muay Thai clinch and Weidman knocked him to the ground with a simple push.

    ... Silva's win over Chael was a definite fluke and that's not up for debate. He lost 4 1/2 rounds straight and got lucky in the last minute. Silva's win over Vitor may not be the standard definition of a fluke, but if they fought again, Silva wouldn't win in that fashion. He would probably lose in his current old man status... and Silva's run is most definitely up. He's finished.
  • lurkinassnigga
    lurkinassnigga Members Posts: 453 ✭✭✭
    Dominick Cruz injured his groin and has not only pulled out of UFC 169, but also vacated his title. Renan Barao is the official BW champ with Urijah Faber stepping in for Cruz at UFC 169.
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cruz just needs to go on ahead and retire and become an analyst.

    The Lord don't want him to compete.
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Short notice fight for Faber, hopefully he did not party too much during the holidays.
  • DOPEdweebz
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    Barao keeping that 🤬 for a long time.

    On a side not i really underrated Travis browne. I want to see him fight Cormier. If he beats Cormier he should face Cain.. or even beat Werdum. Theres really nobody else left for Cain.
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And lol at the hypocrisy of MMA fans.

    For years people held Sonnen dominanting Silva in their first fight as some sort of thesis on how to beat Silva. Despite Sonnen using TRT and getting busted for elevated levels afterwards no one gave Sonnen no where near this much 🤬 as they're giving Vitor now for using it.

    There were legions of Sonnen dickriders justifying TRT usage. Busting out medical journals and 🤬 explaining how Sonnen using TRT was no big deal.

    Now even Weidman himself is calling out Vitor for his usage of it. The bias never ceases to amaze me.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Eatin pussy and kickin ass Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well if you're a 🤬 like Sonnen is people are gonna look to 🤬 on you.
  • Say What
    Say What Members Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭
    GodGivBiz wrote: »
    Barao keeping that 🤬 for a long time.

    On a side not i really underrated Travis browne. I want to see him fight Cormier. If he beats Cormier he should face Cain.. or even beat Werdum. Theres really nobody else left for Cain.

    Cormier fighting Evans next but I think Werdum would be a good fight but I see Browne winning. I think JDS could be a challenge too
  • DOPEdweebz
    DOPEdweebz What title? www.facebook.com/DOPEdweebzMembers, Moderators, Writer Posts: 29,364 Regulator
    I think ALL TRTusers are cheaters. Vitor, Dan Henderson, Couture, Sonnen and etc. They still are amazing fighters tho. Its a catch 22. I just hope Weidman gets called fumble the same way white MMA fans been calling Jones that for years.
  • Muhannad
    Muhannad Members Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you fans would only know what goes on behind the scenes regarding PED's. I'm not gonna drysnitch but I will say you fans need to realize PED's are part of this sport whether you like it or not.
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Will Munny wrote: »
    Well if you're a 🤬 like Sonnen is people are gonna look to 🤬 on you.

    The point was, Sonnen got a pass for using TRT and Vitor isn't getting the same courtesy. I suspect why but it's just lame seeing the blatant hypocrisy.

  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Silva didn't take over anything in the first fight. He was getting outclassed in the first round, so in the 2nd round he tried and was temporarily successful in throwing Weidman off his gameplan by doing that taunting 🤬 .

    That makes no sense. If Weidman didn't go for the taunting in the first round, why would he all of a sudden be thrown off in the second round? Go back and watch the fight again. Silva actually chilled on the taunting a little more in the second round. The time he got caught was really him pulling it out again, and he got caught.
    He knew Weidman would be extremely hard to beat if Weidman stuck to his gameplan, so he tried to change the pace to more of his (Silva's) style of fighting. The problem is Weidman has more reach than Silva, so Silva wasn't able to stay clear from danger like he usually does against 90% of the other fighters with shorter reach.

    That's not Silva's style at all. People 🤬 me with this revisionist history. Go back and watch his earlier fights. Silva's style revolved more around feeling his opponents out in the first round and then turning it on and destroying his opponent in the following round. All this over the board taunting and BSing during fights didn't even start until the Maia fight.
    That taunting tactic is a high risk, high reward maneuver. You can 🤬 your opponent off and throw him off his game, but you can also get caught and put to sleep. Silva happened to get the short end of the stick this time and got knocked out.

    No argument here. I'm not sure what your point is though. Besides Silva wasn't using that taunting as a tactic. He only really did that in the Maia fight because Maia was running away the whole time. After that, he pretty much just did it to be a 🤬 . The Weidman fight was no different. Weidman was already the aggressor, so there was no reason to try and bait him into attacking. That's especially true for the second round. After Weidman won the first round, there was no reason for Silva to squat down, drop his hands, and stick out his chin. That was just him being overly confident and stupid.
    ... He proved he was too skilled for Silva when he kept taking him down with ease, and even winning the stand up exchanges. He proved he was too strong for Silva, when Silva had him in the Muay Thai clinch and Weidman knocked him to the ground with a simple push.

    Damn dog, you act like they fought for 8 rounds. It was one round. Do you watch MMA at all? Do you know how many times a fight dominates one round and gets his ass whooped every subsequent round. It happens all the time. Weidman dominating Silva for one round was not indicative that he's too strong or skilled for Silva. Henderson beat Silva the first round and got handled the next round. Lutter put Silva on the ground and controlled him there and still lost. Sonnen dominated Silva the first round of the second fight and still got embarrassed the very next round. Come on man, I can understand you thing Weidman had Silva's number. That's cool, but you're drawing unsupported conclusions here.
    ... Silva's win over Chael was a definite fluke and that's not up for debate. He lost 4 1/2 rounds straight and got lucky in the last minute. Silva's win over Vitor may not be the standard definition of a fluke, but if they fought again, Silva wouldn't win in that fashion. He would probably lose in his current old man status... and Silva's run is most definitely up. He's finished.

    If you think Silva's victory over Chael was a fluke then I don't think you know what a fluke is. A fluke is when some low probability circumstance pops up and unexpectedly works to one fighter's favor. Prior to the Silva fight, Chael had already lost a couple fights he was winning by getting caught in a submission. He himself admitted he got too overzealous trying to finish Silva off. One fighter taking advantage of a mistake another fighter makes and winning is not a fluke especially when the loser is prone to making that kind of mistake. That's called fighting.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Eatin pussy and kickin ass Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muhannad X wrote: »
    If you fans would only know what goes on behind the scenes regarding PED's. I'm not gonna drysnitch but I will say you fans need to realize PED's are part of this sport whether you like it or not.

    Yeah it's bad.
  • DOPEdweebz
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    Lol @ Weidman proved he was superior.

    @nothingbutthetruth yourr trolling bruh.

    Im sure if Vitor somehow dashes Weidman youll be the first to say "belfort >>> silva"

    People forget Silva was doing major damage from the bottom. By MMA rules Weidman was winning but realistically until the "miracle" it was most likely going to be Carlos Condit vs Rory MacDonald again.

    Key word = most likely.
  • NothingButTheTruth
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    Silva became old man status the minute Chael beat him up for 4 1/2 rounds. That was the turning point and when objective fans could tell he wasn't the same mostly because Chael is a joke, and also because he would no longer have a mental edge over his opponents. People now knew he was beatable.

    The only other mysterious, unbeaten tactic Silva had left was his little taunt thing. Once Weidman knocked him out during the taunt, the legend and mystery of Anderson Silva was over. There was nothing mysterious about his fighting style anymore and he could be countered like any other fighter.

    ... There's no such thing as doing damage from the bottom in UFC, you still lost the round. Watch the fight, Silva was getting rocked ridiculous. Weidman is too big and skilled for him.

    Weidman proved he was superior to old-man Silva by beating him twice in a row SMH. Give dude his props.

    SN: I'm not saying Weidman is better than prime Silva, I'm saying he's better than old-man Silva... and beating fighter X, when fighter X already defeated fighter Y, does not make you better than fighter Y. Fighting style matchups play a huge part in who wins.
  • 2stepz_ahead
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    wasnt silva dealing with a broken rib and death in his family during that fight?
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    pralims wrote: »
    wasnt silva dealing with a broken rib and death in his family during that fight?

    Yep, and before the fight he specifically said he wanted to win via submission for the Nog bros.
  • lurkinassnigga
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    Eddie Alvarez vs Michael Chandler 3 is in the works.

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