What's up everyone. We are doing a contest with T.I. and we are giving away $1200 a day for the next 10 days. Just wanted to give you all a heads up.
https://www.allhiphop.com/ti

so whos gonna start the movement

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edited July 2010 in R & R (Religion and Race)
i read all these posts about black community and white privilage and blacks need to come together, you know all the cookout trashtalk. but when is anyone gonna start the movement and who would follow.
and if the movement is started and things got hectic are the wannabe street thugs gonna really stand and fight for a cause rather than a corner or block.
now by movement i do mean to start on peaceful terms, going into innercity schools and helping tutor, mentoring, help with job searches , how to conduct yourself on an interview, how to walk away from a damn fight, how to stop banging randoms chicks unprotected, and how to stop becoming pregnant because the guy has a nice car type 🤬 .

it has to start somewhere.
please keep the 🤬 posts to a minimum
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  • Swiffness!
    Swiffness! PART OF THE CONSPIRACY Members Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2010
    oh

    by "movement", I thought you meant establishing an Independent African-American Nation State after the U.S collapses in ruin and civil war.

    carry on
  • northside7
    northside7 Members Posts: 25,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2010
    Swiffness! wrote: »
    oh

    by "movement", I thought you meant establishing an Independent African-American Nation State after the U.S collapses in ruin and civil war.

    carry on

    Fall of the republic. We need leaders that can lead not just look good in the public eye, I dont think we have any right now. J. Edgar Hoover did a good job at taking out potential leaders that could have lead the people in the right direction. Speaking about blacks here in North America-their lost, I dont see a lot of people from my generation taking a stand-too materialistic. We gotta focus more on Education, Politics, Community devlopment. Nipsey Hussle had a line where he said "The real gangsta' pass bills in city hall" We dont dictate the laws that control our communities.
  • 2stepz_ahead
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    edited June 2010
    Swiffness! wrote: »
    oh

    by "movement", I thought you meant establishing an Independent African-American Nation State after the U.S collapses in ruin and civil war.

    carry on

    i see your point but since some of us need to be educated... we need to start with that
  • Bully_Pulpit
    Bully_Pulpit Black Mage Members Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2010
    pralims wrote: »
    i see your point but since some of us need to be educated... we need to start with that

    Well that is correct and also the hardest part. Weve been through more conditioning than a hollywood hoes hair.
  • janklow
    janklow god's lonely man. Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    edited June 2010
    Swiffness! wrote: »
    by "movement", I thought you meant establishing an Independent African-American Nation State after the U.S collapses in ruin and civil war.
    i call president
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    pralims wrote: »
    i read all these posts about black community and white privilage and blacks need to come together, you know all the cookout trashtalk. but when is anyone gonna start the movement and who would follow.
    and if the movement is started and things got hectic are the wannabe street thugs gonna really stand and fight for a cause rather than a corner or block.
    now by movement i do mean to start on peaceful terms, going into innercity schools and helping tutor, mentoring, help with job searches , how to conduct yourself on an interview, how to walk away from a damn fight, how to stop banging randoms chicks unprotected, and how to stop becoming pregnant because the guy has a nice car type 🤬 .

    it has to start somewhere.
    please keep the 🤬 posts to a minimum

    Pralims c'mon brother you are much smarter than this. You know damn well that the leaders of black America since 1970 & partially before have been the members of the Sigma Pi Phi, Alpha Phi Alpha, Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi Phi, the National Pan-Hellenic Council, Democratic Party, HBCU's, Prince Hall & other Freemasons, Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, Urban League, Rainbow/PUSH & the recently formed National Action Network. These groups are backed by a loosely formed coalition of black Churches & black businesspeople.

    Everybody else is on the fringe. If you want to complain about the leadership of black America in the last 40 years. There is your CORE OF POWER AND THE GROUPS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR CURRENT DIRECTION.

    These are the groups who should be forming a lobby on behalf of black America. So to answer your question, the weight falls on *gasp* the educated upper class. Who we call, the talented tenth. Obama will not back a black Agenda without these groups united.

    P.S. The hood is not pleased with the job that they have done. Its amazing that no one calls them out more often. Oh I forgot, they know how to spin the blame on gangsters, thugs & laziness. Three problems that were not nearly as bad before the civil rights groups pushed for rabid integration and ruined our sense of community & infrastructure in the process.
  • anthony7q
    anthony7q Members Posts: 782
    edited June 2010
    IMO. The only hope for Blacks as a whole is to leave the US and develop small Kibbutzs in Israel and Ghana like the Black Hebrews are doing.

    Study Shows Blacks Will Never Gain Wealth Parity With Whites Under the Current System
    by BAR executive editor Glen Ford
    “African Americans are tumbling out of the nation’s economic orbit, wealth-wise, on a trajectory that can never achieve parity with whites.”
    The gap between Black and white household wealth quadrupled from 1984 to 2007, totally discrediting the conventional wisdom that the U.S. is slowly and fitfully moving towards racial equality, or some rough economic parity between the races. Like most American myths, it’s the direct opposite of the truth. When measured over decades, Blacks are being propelled economically downward relative to whites at quickening speed, according to a new study by Brandeis University.
    The gap between Black and white households ballooned during the 23-year study period, as white families went from a median of about $22,000 in wealth to $100,000 – a gain of $78,000. In the same period, Black household wealth inched up from a base of $2,000 per family to only $5,000. The sweat and toil of an entire generation had netted Black families only $3,000 additional dollars, while white families emerged from the period with a net worth of 100 grand that can be used to send a couple of kids to college, make investments, help out other family members, or contribute to the larger (white) community. The typical Black family has no such options.
    Viewed another way, the median white family was 11 times richer than the median Black family in 1984 ($2,000 vs. $22,000). By 2007, the white household had become 20 times richer than its Black counterpart($5,000 vs. $100,000).
    Any way one measures it, the numbers show African Americans are tumbling out of the nation’s economic orbit, wealth-wise, on a trajectory that can never achieve parity with whites. I repeat: never.
    “By 2007, the white household had become 20 times richer than its Black counterpart.”
    On the campaign trail in 2007, Barack Obama flippantly declared that African Americans had “already come 90 percent of the way” to equality, with only 10 percent more to go. Whatever the future president was thinking, it wasn’t economics. The meter of progress is running backwards on Black America, toward greater inequality and relative poverty. Everything else you’ve heard is propaganda.
    The Brandeis study, conducted by the university’s Institute on Assets and Social Policy, showed that upper income Blacks fell even farther behind their white peers than lower income Blacks. During the survey period, higher income Blacks saw their wealth drop from $25,000 to just $18,000, while their white counterparts wealth soared to $240,000.
    Black folks have been integrated long enough to know that the white family didn’t get richer by a quarter million dollars because they were smarter than the Black family. Privilege, especially cumulative privilege over generations, works wonders, like compound interest only better. Whites are both collectively privileged and capable of bestowing an endless stream of privileges on each other, while Blacks are deliberately positioned outside of the stream, and are preyed upon as a group by powerful (white) financial forces that profit from the wealth differential.
    “Upper income Blacks fell even farther behind their white peers than lower income Blacks.”
    The Brandies report recognizes the “powerful role of persistent discrimination in housing, credit and labor markets” – that is, the institutionally racist crimes of finance capital. Had the survey continued past 2007, the carnage of the Great Recession would have revealed even more dramatically the incredibly shrinking nature of Black wealth in the current era.
    Enemies of all colors and sly servants of the rich will use the news of the evaporation of African American wealth to heap blame on Black “culture.” This “shaming” strategy is designed to keep Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes, and to simultaneously despair of finding salvation in our own capacity for group agency. Meanwhile, the Lords of Capital devour us like piranhas – quicker than they do whites, who are padded with the fat of relative privilege – $95,000 worth of it, the racial wealth spread of 23 years.
    Although Black parity with whites has never been on the horizon, impatient whites have insisted since 1969 or thereabouts that “it’s time” African Americans were made to “stand or fall” on their own, minus all the imagined assistance Blacks have supposedly received from phantom federal and state agencies. After all, say the anxious whites, how long is society (meaning themselves) supposed to pay for the slavery and segregation of the past? Most white folks – and President Obama – believe, or pretend to believe, that whatever legitimate grievances Blacks might harbor against the United States stem from circumstances deep in the past. The only question is, when will Blacks finally “get over it?”
    “Blacks are preyed upon as a group by powerful (white) financial forces that profit from the wealth differential.”
    The Brandies study shows that the racial wealth gap, although historically rooted in slavery and Jim Crow oppressions, has grown dramatically under post-civil rights era conditions. The gap is not simply a legacy of some ancient American apartheid, but a product of the recent past and of the present. This is a different paradigm, entirely, in which past racial wrongs are compounded by additional layers of institutionalized anti-Black behavior in the 1980s, 90s and in the 21st century –wounds so harmful they set African Americans on a backward course in terms of wealth accumulation.
    In 2004, United for a Fair Economy came out with the first of its annual “State of the Dream” reports. Readers were shocked out of complacency by data that showed Blacks would not reach wealth parity with whites until the year 2099. It was surely a 🤬 to realize that no one then alive would see the “promised land” of evenly matched Black and white median household wealth. But at least the study indicated that “we, as a people” would eventually get there, as someone famous once predicted. There are no such condolences in the Brandies data. At the rate Blacks have been falling behind in wealth since the mid-80s, the Black and white median paths will diverge ever farther, never to connect under this system of economic and political rule. Blacks cannot shop or invest or save or borrow our way to a just society. Social justice and true human equality can only be achieved through our collective political action in opposition to the current order – by any means necessary, as another famous man once
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    anthony7q wrote: »
    IMO. The only hope for Blacks as a whole is to leave the US and develop small Kibbutzs in Israel and Ghana like the Black Hebrews are doing.

    Study Shows Blacks Will Never Gain Wealth Parity With Whites Under the Current System
    by BAR executive editor Glen Ford
    “African Americans are tumbling out of the nation’s economic orbit, wealth-wise, on a trajectory that can never achieve parity with whites.”
    The gap between Black and white household wealth quadrupled from 1984 to 2007, totally discrediting the conventional wisdom that the U.S. is slowly and fitfully moving towards racial equality, or some rough economic parity between the races. Like most American myths, it’s the direct opposite of the truth. When measured over decades, Blacks are being propelled economically downward relative to whites at quickening speed, according to a new study by Brandeis University.
    The gap between Black and white households ballooned during the 23-year study period, as white families went from a median of about $22,000 in wealth to $100,000 – a gain of $78,000. In the same period, Black household wealth inched up from a base of $2,000 per family to only $5,000. The sweat and toil of an entire generation had netted Black families only $3,000 additional dollars, while white families emerged from the period with a net worth of 100 grand that can be used to send a couple of kids to college, make investments, help out other family members, or contribute to the larger (white) community. The typical Black family has no such options.
    Viewed another way, the median white family was 11 times richer than the median Black family in 1984 ($2,000 vs. $22,000). By 2007, the white household had become 20 times richer than its Black counterpart($5,000 vs. $100,000).
    Any way one measures it, the numbers show African Americans are tumbling out of the nation’s economic orbit, wealth-wise, on a trajectory that can never achieve parity with whites. I repeat: never.
    “By 2007, the white household had become 20 times richer than its Black counterpart.”
    On the campaign trail in 2007, Barack Obama flippantly declared that African Americans had “already come 90 percent of the way” to equality, with only 10 percent more to go. Whatever the future president was thinking, it wasn’t economics. The meter of progress is running backwards on Black America, toward greater inequality and relative poverty. Everything else you’ve heard is propaganda.
    The Brandeis study, conducted by the university’s Institute on Assets and Social Policy, showed that upper income Blacks fell even farther behind their white peers than lower income Blacks. During the survey period, higher income Blacks saw their wealth drop from $25,000 to just $18,000, while their white counterparts wealth soared to $240,000.
    Black folks have been integrated long enough to know that the white family didn’t get richer by a quarter million dollars because they were smarter than the Black family. Privilege, especially cumulative privilege over generations, works wonders, like compound interest only better. Whites are both collectively privileged and capable of bestowing an endless stream of privileges on each other, while Blacks are deliberately positioned outside of the stream, and are preyed upon as a group by powerful (white) financial forces that profit from the wealth differential.
    “Upper income Blacks fell even farther behind their white peers than lower income Blacks.”
    The Brandies report recognizes the “powerful role of persistent discrimination in housing, credit and labor markets” – that is, the institutionally racist crimes of finance capital. Had the survey continued past 2007, the carnage of the Great Recession would have revealed even more dramatically the incredibly shrinking nature of Black wealth in the current era.
    Enemies of all colors and sly servants of the rich will use the news of the evaporation of African American wealth to heap blame on Black “culture.” This “shaming” strategy is designed to keep Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes, and to simultaneously despair of finding salvation in our own capacity for group agency. Meanwhile, the Lords of Capital devour us like piranhas – quicker than they do whites, who are padded with the fat of relative privilege – $95,000 worth of it, the racial wealth spread of 23 years.
    Although Black parity with whites has never been on the horizon, impatient whites have insisted since 1969 or thereabouts that “it’s time” African Americans were made to “stand or fall” on their own, minus all the imagined assistance Blacks have supposedly received from phantom federal and state agencies. After all, say the anxious whites, how long is society (meaning themselves) supposed to pay for the slavery and segregation of the past? Most white folks – and President Obama – believe, or pretend to believe, that whatever legitimate grievances Blacks might harbor against the United States stem from circumstances deep in the past. The only question is, when will Blacks finally “get over it?”
    “Blacks are preyed upon as a group by powerful (white) financial forces that profit from the wealth differential.”
    The Brandies study shows that the racial wealth gap, although historically rooted in slavery and Jim Crow oppressions, has grown dramatically under post-civil rights era conditions. The gap is not simply a legacy of some ancient American apartheid, but a product of the recent past and of the present. This is a different paradigm, entirely, in which past racial wrongs are compounded by additional layers of institutionalized anti-Black behavior in the 1980s, 90s and in the 21st century –wounds so harmful they set African Americans on a backward course in terms of wealth accumulation.
    In 2004, United for a Fair Economy came out with the first of its annual “State of the Dream” reports. Readers were shocked out of complacency by data that showed Blacks would not reach wealth parity with whites until the year 2099. It was surely a 🤬 to realize that no one then alive would see the “promised land” of evenly matched Black and white median household wealth. But at least the study indicated that “we, as a people” would eventually get there, as someone famous once predicted. There are no such condolences in the Brandies data. At the rate Blacks have been falling behind in wealth since the mid-80s, the Black and white median paths will diverge ever farther, never to connect under this system of economic and political rule. Blacks cannot shop or invest or save or borrow our way to a just society. Social justice and true human equality can only be achieved through our collective political action in opposition to the current order – by any means necessary, as another famous man once

    Great post. And your right, the African Hebrews have set the blueprint on how to do this.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    ether-i-am wrote: »
    The movement been in effect, it's just that it's an Individual movement and not a group movement. It's sort of like natural selection. Those that WANT to make it can, and that's not saying it one big happy trip, everyone has ups and downs and obstacles. That's life. Some black people don't feel oppressed and We are not struggling, but also those that are doing good IS the example that good (however you define it) can be achieved, but you can't expect a piggy back ride or someone to walk the whole black communities hand. We complain about inner city school but for a while now especially black males would rather by choice go to prison (where the potential for ass rapings rise to a 99% chance) than stay in that school. That's 🤬 up. We always talk about the effects of slavery, well look how the slaves had to learn, in secret! A black person would risk the whip just to learn the 🤬 ABC's. Black people today DON'T have a slave mentality because their mentality had to be strong as 🤬 to get through that 🤬 !

    The movement has been in effect but some will simply choose not to MOVE! Just like some chose not to follow the underground railroad.

    See what you are not acknowledging is the fact that many of you individual movers are the reason why majority black areas are lagging behind. I'm not trying to start an argument, but our funding and man power for tutoring, neighborhood watch, canvassing and mentoring has been affected greatly by political corruption and corporate bootlicking by the same groups I mentioned. The hood is going to be alright, we just need to to innovate for ourselves and work towards regime change all around.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    ether-i-am wrote: »
    A group/community is made up of individuals, not the other way around. Everyone in the group has to choose to be in the group. When the group fails each Individual has to be willing to continue on. It's not together we stand together we fall. Out of all of my 🤬 I ran with when I started on the path to change my life the majority of my 🤬 wasn't feeling me. they wanted to stay where they was at, and I could change that, so I left. A few of those same cats had the nerve to say I turned my back on them, but the back is what they will see when they choose to stay in one spot and you proceed to move forward.

    pardon my back.

    Look man I ain't talking about the streets right now Ether. I'm talking about black leadership who has continually proved to be corrupt and has raided city treasuries amongst other things for decades while blaming the problems on gangsters, thugs and laziness. And I know it's pardon your back. You & Pralim are both on that suburban get out the hood tip (this is the brain drain human outsourcing that I was talking about earlier.). It's a lot of brothers like y'all. Do what you do, but you always talking about education this education that when THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE A CORRUPTED PERSONS NATURE. SO YES, STAY YO ASS OVER THERE AND IF AND WHEN YOU DO TRY TO TURN YOUR BACK AROUND WE WILL BE WATCHING. YOU ALREADY SAID YOU WOULD TAKE BRIBES. Which goes back to corporate bootlicking and corruption. I take your advice with a grain of salt sir.
  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Who I am is Complex, What i am, simply put. I'm a Threat walking out the lions denGuests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2010
    thing is alot of black people have a hustlers mentality that they gained from the street. lets use music as an example: some people know how to flip that 🤬 and make money even if its just in the local area by doing shows an 🤬 no matter how unprofessional. But the problem comes when its time teach, share and expand. not alot of us cant do that because of the fear of not being on top, sharing the spotlight or just greed. like someone once said, if 50 , diddy and jayz go together and formed their own distribution label, it would cut out alot of so called non-ethnic people and have blacks control their own musical destiny. it sounds small but its a start. then you can control the content and start rapping about something that can teach rather than shake ya ass and take your clothes off music.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    pralims wrote: »
    thing is alot of black people have a hustlers mentality that they gained from the street. lets use music as an example: some people know how to flip that 🤬 and make money even if its just in the local area by doing shows an 🤬 no matter how unprofessional. But the problem comes when its time teach, share and expand. not alot of us cant do that because of the fear of not being on top, sharing the spotlight or just greed. like someone once said, if 50 , diddy and jayz go together and formed their own distribution label, it would cut out alot of so called non-ethnic people and have blacks control their own musical destiny. it sounds small but its a start. then you can control the content and start rapping about something that can teach rather than shake ya ass and take your clothes off music.

    Brother those are entertainers who have found success which is rare. There are a lot more people of our ethnic group who are successful because of education. You have to unite the educated first; which is why I named those groups, because they are the ones who really have the power but want to pass the blame on to anybody but themselves (rappers, gangsters, thugs, lazy black people.) Anything to keep the upper class educated black elite exempt from criticism.

    Stop blaming the wrong people for black America's lack of advancement. Our leadership is greedy, selfish, and very uncle tomish. That's just the truth. This is what is really holding us back from moving as a unit. The Martin Luther King Jr. faction got everything that they wanted and still can't figure out what to do with it. Why? Because their/your ideology was flawed to begin with and bound to fail for the majority and only be effective for the few. That's just how it is. Remember, it is a educated Kappa brother who started BET, the same outlet that promotes these rappers. Your kind are in control but you don't want to admit it because you would have to take responsibility for this 🤬 hole that we as a people are in. Which non of you upper class blacks want to do.

    Spineless leadership.
  • major pain
    major pain Members Posts: 10,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2010
    Some of the responses in this thread are hilarious.
  • shootemwon
    shootemwon Members Posts: 4,635 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    OK, ok....

    It is true that a lot of successful black professionals and black public figures are focused on what they can get for themselves, rather than helping other black people who are still struggling. But putting the blame on them suggests that the black people who defied the odds and found prosperity are then responsible for replicating that anomaly repeated for other black people. In other words, if you're playing a rigged carnival game, but somehow manage to knock the milk bottles down with an amazing throw and tremendous good luck, it's now your fault that the rest of the players still can't win. It's not the carney's fault for rigging the game.

    Yes, black leaders need to step it up and do more to empower others, but white establishment figures also need to acknowledge and address the fact that social mobility for poor black people is excessively difficult and rare.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    ether-i-am wrote: »
    wait wait wait a minute. Let me see if I understand this correctly. You think its the educated black peoples fault that the black community is 🤬 up? You believe black fraternities are another cause. Dammmmnnn! That's some funny ass 🤬 . Blame the ones who chose to do something for themselves. I mean we don't wanna blame the ones who actually do do the 🤬 up 🤬 in the communities.
    Are these same people holding YOU back? Are YOU miserable?

    It is not about what I think. It is a known fact that the boule' and its allied educated elite have charted the course for where black America is currently headed since 1970. they are our political leadership. they are the ones who are in the city, county, state & national government in the largest of numbers. we must hold our elected officials responsible. money has been stolen, projects have been sabotaged and majority black areas have been neglected. they (yes the black greek fraternal members) are the majority of our business people, service members, bar association & medical members as well. along with the black freemasons, christians and democrats.

    look, these are the same people from Martin Luther King Jr.'s faction who opposed everything Malcolm X was talking about and said we have to have a dream that integrating with whites will make everything ok. problem is, we gave up our infrastructure and have been suffering through black flight ever since.

    this thread was about A MOVEMENT ETHER. NOT GREEDY INDIVIDUALISTS LIKE YOU. I am only pointing out who the leadership (or misleadership) is, and why the movement never stopped. it just lost one half, the black nationalist half. all the while morphing into something completely different than what both Martin & Malcolm intended for it to be.

    and stop asking me these weird questions because I'm telling the truth. if you don't like it just ignore it.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    shootemwon wrote: »
    OK, ok....

    It is true that a lot of successful black professionals and black public figures are focused on what they can get for themselves, rather than helping other black people who are still struggling. But putting the blame on them suggests that the black people who defied the odds and found prosperity are then responsible for replicating that anomaly repeated for other black people. In other words, if you're playing a rigged carnival game, but somehow manage to knock the milk bottles down with an amazing throw and tremendous good luck, it's now your fault that the rest of the players still can't win. It's not the carney's fault for rigging the game.

    Yes, black leaders need to step it up and do more to empower others, but white establishment figures also need to acknowledge and address the fact that social mobility for poor black people is excessively difficult and rare.

    the problem is, OUR LEADERSHIP (THAT I NAMED) WILL NOT STAND UP TO THE WHITE ESTABLISHMENT. why do you think they were elevated? in the 60's, the white establishment had two choices. either you go with the Nationalist side or the Civil Rights side. most of our major players of today come from the civil rights side. quick fact, THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SOFT.

    they talk all this 🤬 about how messed up black America is (yes I'm talking about omega psi phi's bill cosby) when they are the ones in almost all the leadership roles and stealing all the funds for the community. this is a 🤬 game that their playing man.

    that's why I said we need regime change. we gotta clean house because the people I mentioned cannot take us to the next level. they are not vigorous enough.
  • shootemwon
    shootemwon Members Posts: 4,635 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    Who do we replace them with? And more importantly, who will carry the torch for our generation (people currently 18-24), because so far, all I see out of this generation (and this goes for white people of that age too) is that it's never cool to sincerely care about important issues and social justice. It's fine to talk for like 5 seconds about some current events, and then LOL @ sarah palin for being stupid, but if you try to continue the conversation of that with a more substantive opinion of what should be done, everyone is like "yo i dont feel like talkin politics right now"
  • major pain
    major pain Members Posts: 10,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2010
    the problem is, OUR LEADERSHIP (THAT I NAMED) WILL NOT STAND UP TO THE WHITE ESTABLISHMENT. why do you think they were elevated? in the 60's, the white establishment had two choices. either you go with the Nationalist side or the Civil Rights side. most of our major players of today come from the civil rights side. quick fact, THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SOFT.

    they talk all this 🤬 about how messed up black America is (yes I'm talking about omega psi phi's bill cosby) when they are the ones in almost all the leadership roles and stealing all the funds for the community. this is a 🤬 game that their playing man.

    that's why I said we need regime change. we gotta clean house because the people I mentioned cannot take us to the next level. they are not vigorous enough.

    This is 🤬 ...

    There is corruption across all race groups. You talk about black greek fraternities like white people invented them for the purpose of keeping us in check. Our fraternities were created out of a desire to build up our communities and were shunned in their inception and STILL are shunned to this day by "white" fraternities for the most part. Why do you think we have our own councils and work amongst each other instead of integrating with the other councils? During the civil rights movement these same groups were at the forefront. All that is a front? Get real dude. For every person in one of these groups at the top of a company, there are 1000 that are doing NOTHING with their fraternity or community and working a regular ass job. Being in a fraternity doesnt give you a pass to the top.

    This notion that all "educated" black leaders are all about themselves is silly. Sure there is going to be someone corrupt and greedy, but ALL??! You talk about Cosby, like he didnt have the first BLACK show not in the hood. Showing that there are successful BLACK people in the world and live wholesome lives. Yea he has some radical views on black community, but some of them are true. Our youth isnt as focused on education, on the whole as other cultures. That doesnt go back to black leaders, that goes to their parents and a good home life. I'll agree that our "public figures" can do a better job, but it all starts with SELF. Dont pretend like if Al Sharpton and Tavis Smiley were to try and rally our communities, the 🤬 on the corner would stop slangin to start paying attention, the kids wearing skinny jeans around their knees would pull them up, and the girls in middle school would stop 🤬 and getting pregnant. Improvement needs to be in ALL areas, starting at the bottom FIRST. At this point in our history, there is nothing on a wide scale holding us back but our 🤬 selves.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    shootemwon wrote: »
    Who do we replace them with? And more importantly, who will carry the torch for our generation (people currently 18-24), because so far, all I see out of this generation (and this goes for white people of that age too) is that it's never cool to sincerely care about important issues and social justice. It's fine to talk for like 5 seconds about some current events, and then LOL @ sarah palin for being stupid, but if you try to continue the conversation of that with a more substantive opinion of what should be done, everyone is like "yo i dont feel like talkin politics right now"

    I have brothers around my age range (24-35) & younger who see whats going on and some of us have already attained public office with effective results and no scandals. others are applying themselves in diversified areas of benefit & interest to the community. we are working on it as we speak.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    major pain wrote: »
    I am 🤬 ...

    I already told we done talking man. I'm threw with you. Talk to somebody else 🤬 .
  • major pain
    major pain Members Posts: 10,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2010
    I already told we done talking man. I'm threw with you. Talk to somebody else 🤬 .


    LOL, YOU ARE HEATED... my bad didnt get the memo we're "threw". Its THROUGH, smart-guy. Stop catching feelings....its just the internet, oh thats right its as real as the streets and prisons.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    major pain wrote: »
    LOL, YOU ARE HEATED... my bad didnt get the memo we're "threw". Its THROUGH, smart-guy. Stop catching feelings....its just the internet, oh thats right its as real as the streets and prisons.

    why you always worried about what I'm doing major? every time I give an order u accept it then act like you forgot. u a 🤬 man. and again, I ain't falling for your I'm mad b.s. you always trying to play. debate someone else boy.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    to anyone wondering. there are three avenues wherein information can be exchanged without censorship (to an extent)

    1. the internet

    2. the streets & greater community blocks

    3. prisons & other avenues for the downtrodden of society

    that is what this 🤬 is referring to.
  • major pain
    major pain Members Posts: 10,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2010
    why you always worried about what I'm doing major? every time I give an order u accept it then act like you forgot. u a 🤬 man. and again, I ain't falling for your I'm mad b.s. you always trying to play. debate someone else boy.

    Silly kid, I'm not worried about what you are DOING. This is a message forum. I'm getting ready for my evening workout and decided to weigh in on a subject. Like the many others I have throughout the day. I finally went on and said something about this subject. If you dont like people disagreeing with you, you might want to be quiet for the rest of your life.

    Give an order? LOL, what do you think this is? You think you running anything besides your mouth?

    Its obvious that you're mad. Typically when people are upset/angered etc., they misspell simple words. I'm sure if we were face to face you would be ready to fight. All over words. You still upset because I called you a boy for acting like one. You keep doing it because you think its derogatory. Its all about context. Once you stop letting words, especially ones from someone you will most likely never meet, upset you, then you will know you have matured. Maybe not quite a MAN yet, but better than punching the keyboard because someone disagrees with you.
  • musicology1985
    musicology1985 Members Posts: 4,632 ✭✭
    edited June 2010
    ether-i-am wrote: »
    So how would you go about being a leader?
    Why black people always need a 🤬 leader? Once one arrives all you gotta do is 🤬 his ass and the whole community will lay down! Everyone need to be a leader to themselves. Let me introduce you to a powerfull word called "I". Now used correctly this word can help everyone a lot. Let me show you.

    Hey ether let's just sit here and drink and smoke all day.
    "I" don't have time.
    Hey ether we as black people are oppressed.
    "I" am not!
    Hey ether why you act like you got the right to do anything you wanna do?
    "I" do!
    Hey ether you have a felony, a DUI, never been to collage, and your black THEY ain't gone never LET you make no money or be anything!
    "I" am!
    Ether your selfish! You don't care about us.
    "I" do. It's just that YOU don't!

    we are a partnership. no one leader. pure democracy prevails with those in my cipher. yes sir.