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The Official Floyd Mayweather is the best boxer of this era period...

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  • smittysmith
    smittysmith Members Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    buttuh_b wrote: »
    The era is certainly watered down. They are not as many transcendent super stars like in previous eras where their were multiple guys in every weight class that went on to be HOF calibre fighters.

    With that being said, Floyd is without a doubt head and shoulders above the comp of his era.

    🤬 does that have to do with Floyd's divisions? Featherweight-middleweight is crazy competitive.

    SMH, while Floyd was that 🤬 at 130 his resume is devode HOF calibre victories that other greats had. Its not his fault he had to fight in this era, you can only fight the men in front of you but the fact remains its not the level of comp others had to go through.
  • supaman4321
    supaman4321 Members Posts: 946
    What would you have him do build a time machine?

    let's not act like he's faced bums within two years of going pro he had his first pro championship fight against Hernandez who hadn't been defeated at that weight before Money.

    Knocked Corrales down 5 times and gave him his first loss, Castillo TWICE and he beat him through an injury the first and completely dominated the second.

    He damn near killed Gatti. Beat De La Hoya at his comfortable weight same as Cotto. Gave Hatton his first lost and made the same man who made Pacquiao go night night look like an amateur.

    You can say you don't like his style I'll give you that others have been flashier, but if we're talking the sweet science, hitting and not getting hit back, then how can you omit Floyd from the greats. He's outclassed champions, beat fighters at their own game, put up some of the most ridiculously one-sided compubox numbers, and fought through injuries and tough opposition.

    This must be what it feels like to argue with Skip Bayless
  • smittysmith
    smittysmith Members Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What would you have him do build a time machine?

    let's not act like he's faced bums within two years of going pro he had his first pro championship fight against Hernandez who hadn't been defeated at that weight before Money.

    Knocked Corrales down 5 times and gave him his first loss, Castillo TWICE and he beat him through an injury the first and completely dominated the second.

    He damn near killed Gatti. Beat De La Hoya at his comfortable weight same as Cotto. Gave Hatton his first lost and made the same man who made Pacquiao go night night look like an amateur.

    You can say you don't like his style I'll give you that others have been flashier, but if we're talking the sweet science, hitting and not getting hit back, then how can you omit Floyd from the greats. He's outclassed champions, beat fighters at their own game, put up some of the most ridiculously one-sided compubox numbers, and fought through injuries and tough opposition.

    This must be what it feels like to argue with Skip Bayless

    Bruh, are you reading. I said the man can only fight the guys in his era and its not his fault that their not as many great fighters to contend with him. I also said hes's easily the best fighter of the era and one of the greats.

    My contention is he's being held from the upper, upper, echelon due the lack of HOF comp on his record. His resume is decent but not Top 10 ATG worthy.
  • Dupac
    Dupac Retired PurgatoryMembers, Writer Posts: 68,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2012
    the problem with most threads like these is that casual fans think floyd career began with the oscar fight.....


    and the worse part about that is that they fail to realize oscar made floyd come up in weight to fight him for the title with NO CATCH WEIGHT.......

    also, most casual fans werent' avid readers of boxing media prior to 2008...they never read the article where bob arum called miguel cotto "too green" for floyd back in 2008


    they don't know about the dynamics of floyd relationship with bob arum...they have no idea the power bob arum holds in the boxing world... that he built ever single one of histop fighters as the man floyd was "ducking" while never having any intentions of letting his fighters get spoiled by floyd putting hands on them....


    people say floyd ducked fighters.....

    who??

    i'll tell you who...


    miguel cotto who was bob's top rank's up an coming star in 2007/2008.....however when the idea of a floyd fight was possible..bob stated that miguel was too green...so when floyd seekd an opponent in ricky hatton.. all of a sudden out of nowhere.. arum accused floyd of ducking cotto....

    the claim was utter 🤬 , just an attempt to build cotto's name as a top fighter.....so while floyd was taking a break...in 2008 people were running wild with the notion that floyd was ducking cotto....all that ended when cotto got the life beat outta him by antonito margarito....nother top rank fighter...



    so now we got antonio margarito as the fighter floyd's supposedly ducking.. the most avoidable fighter in the world.....

    the lone champion at 147 floyd didn't fight...

    well let's revisit that fight...

    floyd was prepared to fight antonio margarito in 2006.. but bob arum wanted floyd to sign a 3 fight contract of only top rank fighters worth 8 million dollars..and absolutely could not seek a fight with oscar de la hoya..floyd laughed because no one knew who margarito was in 2006, and floyd already had a fight on deck with zab judah for the other 3 belts at welter.....and when zab lost to carlos baldomir, he was like 🤬 it, i'll fight them both..

    and these fights weren't contract obligated fights.. they ere one and done deals.. with floyd maximizing his profit......

    leading up to the fight with oscar that bob arum said was impossible....

    so in floys 3 fights away from top rank, he made a much larger amount than the 8 million proposed to fight margarito in 2006...in fact it was rumored that outta spite he fought baldomir for $8,000,01.00...along with baldy's 2 belts as opposed to margarito's 1 belt...




    and of course following all that 🤬 ... margarito was proven to be a cheater and got molly whopped by shane mosely....


    now i could go on to the manny debacle.. but it was nothing more than bob once again trying to build up a fighter by saying his fighter was ducking floyd....

    bob built manny's scention into the upper weights by claiming floyd was ducking, when bob never once made and serious attempt to make a fight with floyd.. every time a contract was drawn up, bob refused to accept the terms...calling them ridiculous.. and after floyd chose another opponent and out performed manny, he attempted to make a fight using the old contract....and each time floyd came to bob with new terms, as the old terms expired....and each time bob refused the new terms and tried to hold on o the old ones.. while floyd consistently proved that he can find other opponents that were going to put u bigger and bigger numbers than top ranks promotions.....


    finally floyd called manny directly and offereed him $40 million behind bob's back..

    bob found out and told manny to tell floyd 50/50 which sounds fair... but was greatly less than floyd's $40 million dollar offer.. which was shown evident by manny getting his ass whooped by marquez for a reported $20-$30 million....

    not to mention manny being punished for talking to floyd by losing a "decision" to timmy bradley....


    there are no asterisk's on floyd's career... even though i think dude is a step behind where he once was before going to prision.. dude is easily the best fighter of this generation, and a top 5 dead or alive on anyone's list....


    🤬 just hate too much to recognize the facts.....

    all i speak is the truth
  • playmaker88
    playmaker88 Boy, I tell you that's vision Like Tony Romo when he hitting Witten Members Posts: 67,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2012
    I aint even read.. but cosign.. bout to read in 10 minutes
  • Dupac
    Dupac Retired PurgatoryMembers, Writer Posts: 68,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lmao...history lesson in this 🤬
  • smittysmith
    smittysmith Members Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Funny thing is if you study Pac's earnings 40 mil even after tax is easily the most money he wouldve ever earned in a fight.
  • Dupac
    Dupac Retired PurgatoryMembers, Writer Posts: 68,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    oh and floyd fighting the ghost next.. either the ghost or canelo...
  • playmaker88
    playmaker88 Boy, I tell you that's vision Like Tony Romo when he hitting Witten Members Posts: 67,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yep.. ^^ sorry im late reads
  • Dupac
    Dupac Retired PurgatoryMembers, Writer Posts: 68,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Funny thing is if you study Pac's earnings 40 mil even after tax is easily the most money he wouldve ever earned in a fight.
    real talk...

    bob got him on that 🤬 50/50 mentality thinking that was better for him... but more money is better than a percentage....and manny didn't understand that...

    bob stay in his pockets
  • Dupac
    Dupac Retired PurgatoryMembers, Writer Posts: 68,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382


    Print and Go Back ESPN.com: Boxing [Print without images]

    Monday, April 24, 2006
    Updated: April 25, 5:27 PM ET
    Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito
    By Dan Rafael
    ESPN.com

    Pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. rejected promoter Bob Arum's $8 million offer to fight welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito, and he instead exercised a provision in his contract to buy Arum out and become a promotional free agent, Arum told ESPN.com on Monday.

    According to Arum, Mayweather turned down the career-best purse to meet Margarito on Aug. 12 on HBO Pay-Per-View, instead opting for free agency by buying Arum out of their deal for $750,000.

    "I did hear from him," Arum said of Mayweather. "He decided not to fight this summer. I made him a tremendous offer. I think Margarito is the riskiest fight for him of anyone out there."

    Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe told ESPN.com that Mayweather passed on the fight not because he is ducking Margarito, but because he couldn't be ready to fight by Aug. 12. Mayweather injured his right hand during a dominating April 8 victory against Zab Judah.

    "Floyd is not 100 percent healthy," Ellerbe said. "He has a bruised right hand. His hand is not broken. It's bruised, but it's a bad bruise. He wants to go into any fight 100 percent healthy. If Antonio Margarito happens to be the best available option when he is healthy, so be it.

    "We are not turning down Margarito. I want to make that crystal clear. When and if he is the best available option for Floyd's next fight, that's the direction he will move in."

    With Aug. 12 no longer set aside for a Mayweather fight, Arum said he will use the date to feature one of his other stars, heavyweight titlist Hasim Rahman, in a mandatory title defense against Oleg Maskaev on HBO PPV.

    That bout, a rematch of Maskaev's 1999 knockout victory, took on greater significance last weekend in the wake of Wladimir Klitschko's title-winning knockout of Chris Byrd in Germany.

    The reason: Among the four recognized heavyweight title holders, Klitschko became the third from a former Soviet republic to beat an American to win a belt, leaving Rahman as the lone American heavyweight champion and Maskaev poised to give Eastern Europe a sweep of the titles in boxing's marquee division.

    Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

    "We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

    Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

    The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

    Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

    Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

    "That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

    Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob."

    Arum agreed that the split with Mayweather was not on bad terms like their brief breakup last year. In fact, Arum said, "We intend to be back together. Everything with this was honorable and good. I had offered him numbers [for a multi-fight contract extension] that were livable. His expectations are in the stratosphere. He was entitled to buy me out, and he did. We decided this was the best way to handle it. He is a free agent. We have agreed to work with each other [in the future]."

    The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result.

    Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.

    "I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said.

    Instead, Arum is turning his attention to the Rahman-Maskaev fight.

    Arum said that he and Maskaev representative Dennis Rappaport are about $300,000 apart on making a deal. If they don't finalize terms, the WBC will hold a purse bid May 1 in Mexico City.

    But Arum is confident they will make the deal.

    "We're very close," he said. "It will take another day to work it out."

    Arum said he is already making arrangements to announce the fight at a news conference in New York on May 10. He added that the fight would take place at either Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J., or at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas.

    Arum said Margarito could wind up on the Rahman-Maskaev card in the co-feature.

    "But it's tentative," Arum said. "If Mayweather decides to fight in September or October, and Margarito could still be a candidate, I want him to be flexible."

    Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.


  • Bcotton5
    Bcotton5 Members Posts: 51,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Du_Du wrote: »
    the problem with most threads like these is that casual fans think floyd career began with the oscar fight.....


    and the worse part about that is that they fail to realize oscar made floyd come up in weight to fight him for the title with NO CATCH WEIGHT.......

    also, most casual fans werent' avid readers of boxing media prior to 2008...they never read the article where bob arum called miguel cotto "too green" for floyd back in 2008


    they don't know about the dynamics of floyd relationship with bob arum...they have no idea the power bob arum holds in the boxing world... that he built ever single one of histop fighters as the man floyd was "ducking" while never having any intentions of letting his fighters get spoiled by floyd putting hands on them....


    people say floyd ducked fighters.....

    who??

    i'll tell you who...


    miguel cotto who was bob's top rank's up an coming star in 2007/2008.....however when the idea of a floyd fight was possible..bob stated that miguel was too green...so when floyd seekd an opponent in ricky hatton.. all of a sudden out of nowhere.. arum accused floyd of ducking cotto....

    the claim was utter 🤬 , just an attempt to build cotto's name as a top fighter.....so while floyd was taking a break...in 2008 people were running wild with the notion that floyd was ducking cotto....all that ended when cotto got the life beat outta him by antonito margarito....nother top rank fighter...



    so now we got antonio margarito as the fighter floyd's supposedly ducking.. the most avoidable fighter in the world.....

    the lone champion at 147 floyd didn't fight...

    well let's revisit that fight...

    floyd was prepared to fight antonio margarito in 2006.. but bob arum wanted floyd to sign a 3 fight contract of only top rank fighters worth 8 million dollars..and absolutely could not seek a fight with oscar de la hoya..floyd laughed because no one knew who margarito was in 2006, and floyd already had a fight on deck with zab judah for the other 3 belts at welter.....and when zab lost to carlos baldomir, he was like 🤬 it, i'll fight them both..

    and these fights weren't contract obligated fights.. they ere one and done deals.. with floyd maximizing his profit......

    leading up to the fight with oscar that bob arum said was impossible....

    so in floys 3 fights away from top rank, he made a much larger amount than the 8 million proposed to fight margarito in 2006...in fact it was rumored that outta spite he fought baldomir for $8,000,00.00...along with baldy's 2 belts as opposed to margarito's 1 belt...




    and of course following all that 🤬 ... margarito was proven to be a cheater and got molly whopped by shane mosely....


    now i could go on to the manny debacle.. but it was nothing more than bob once again trying to build up a fighter by saying his fighter was ducking floyd....

    bob built manny's scention into the upper weights by claiming floyd was ducking, when bob never once made and serious attempt to make a fight with floyd.. every time a contract was drawn up, bob refused to accept the terms...calling them ridiculous.. and after floyd chose another opponent and out performed manny, he attempted to make a fight using the old contract....and each time floyd came to bob with new terms, as the old terms expired....and each time bob refused the new terms and tried to hold on o the old ones.. while floyd consistently proved that he can find other opponents that were going to put u bigger and bigger numbers than top ranks promotions.....


    finally floyd called manny directly and offereed him $40 million behind bob's back..

    bob found out and told manny to tell floyd 50/50 which sounds fair... but was greatly less than floyd's $40 million dollar offer.. which was shown evident by manny getting his ass whooped by marquez for a reported $20-$30 million....

    not to mention manny being punished for talking to floyd by losing a "decision" to timmy bradley....


    there are no asterisk's on floyd's career... even though i think dude is a step behind where he once was before going to prision.. dude is easily the best fighter of this generation, and a top 5 dead or alive on anyone's list....


    🤬 just hate too much to recognize the facts.....

    all i speak is the truth

  • aneed123
    aneed123 Members Posts: 23,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    my 🤬 du with the cold hard facts.....Bob Arum did the same thing to Oscar when he left him..... refuse to work with him and has this Golden Boy fued.... Arum stole Floyd money when he was with him.... he Owes Floyd from the Zab fight... Floyd said 🤬 it and left. Arum used Floyd to make 3 of his fighters the boogey man off his name. Margarito/Cotto/Manny all who Floyd was supposed to be scared of..... Old I lied yesterday but and telling the truth today Jew Arum is still salty a Mexican and a 🤬 beat him at his own game left his promotional company and are the number 1 and 2 grossing fighters of all time and he couldnt 🤬 their pockets
  • perspective@100
    [email protected] Members Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2012
    Du_Du wrote: »
    oh and floyd fighting the ghost next.. either the ghost or canelo...

    What about Paul Williams? Some say he ducked him...

  • Dupac
    Dupac Retired PurgatoryMembers, Writer Posts: 68,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Du_Du wrote: »
    oh and floyd fighting the ghost next.. either the ghost or canelo...

    What about Paul Williams? Some say he ducked him...

    unfortunately for P-dub, who was my favorite fighter during this period.....🤬 couldn't even get a seat at the table of discussions..I woulda loved to see him get a chance at floyd.....but it wasn't really a duck..PW moved up and down in weight so much, 🤬 made himself inconvenient....now if anyone ducked him it was cotto who fought ...check this.....micheal jennings (lol) for PW's vacant belt after he vacated it to jump up to middleweight to fight andy kolle
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you can make a case for the Klitchkos over Floyd to be honest. They've been just as dominant as he has and they take the comp as it comes instead of waiting.
  • KeepOnPushing
    KeepOnPushing Members Posts: 17,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2012
    I think you can make a case for the Klitchkos over Floyd to be honest. They've been just as dominant as he has and they take the comp as it comes instead of waiting.




    Bruh...................


    this possibly the worst the heavyweight division has ever been.



    no.........hell no..........and hell nah............also 🤬 no
  • playmaker88
    playmaker88 Boy, I tell you that's vision Like Tony Romo when he hitting Witten Members Posts: 67,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol is this 🤬 serious..
  • KeepOnPushing
    KeepOnPushing Members Posts: 17,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Du_Du wrote: »
    oh and floyd fighting the ghost next.. either the ghost or canelo...

    What about Paul Williams? Some say he ducked him...



    P-Dub wasn't bringing nothing to the table Financial wise , once Floyd reached superstar status and was making huge money look at all the fighters he fought , they had their own cult following





  • KeepOnPushing
    KeepOnPushing Members Posts: 17,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol is this 🤬 serious..


    Exactly , nobody would know who the hell the klitschko's were in any other era...they would get the 🤬 beat out them.
  • playmaker88
    playmaker88 Boy, I tell you that's vision Like Tony Romo when he hitting Witten Members Posts: 67,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol is this 🤬 serious..


    Exactly , nobody would know who the hell the klitschko's were in any other era...they would get the 🤬 beat out them.

    Ill give them this.. they can box their assess off.. but they cant fight.. Tyson and especially the OGs would have beat the breaks of these 🤬 by taking them out of their comfortable element, 🤬 even some cats from the late 90s would give them work at least...
  • CallMeWelvin
    CallMeWelvin Members Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you can make a case for the Klitchkos over Floyd to be honest. They've been just as dominant as he has and they take the comp as it comes instead of waiting.

    No 🤬 no.
  • smittysmith
    smittysmith Members Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Paul Williams was ass anyway. I pray for his health though.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you can make a case for the Klitchkos over Floyd to be honest. They've been just as dominant as he has and they take the comp as it comes instead of waiting.




    Bruh...................


    this possibly the worst the heavyweight division has ever been.



    no.........hell no..........and hell nah............also 🤬 no

    🤬 please. This is possibly the worst boxing as a sport has ever been. You act like Floyd is out there fighting the best out of the best every match. Half the fights he takes are against people nobody cares about. The other half of them are 5 or so years after anyone wanted to see them.

    I agree, the Heavyweight division sucks, but the Klitchkos have still cleared it out taking on all challengers as soon as they come. They don't argue about splits. They don't claim the opponents aren't worthy to fight them. They don't accuse their opponents of juicing without any proof. They don't pull any of Floyd's tricks. They just fight and dominate. That's what the sport is about. I'm not saying they are better or bigger. I'm saying that they should be in the discussion. If you can't admit that, then you're just dickriding.

  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    I think you can make a case for the Klitchkos over Floyd to be honest. They've been just as dominant as he has and they take the comp as it comes instead of waiting.




    Bruh...................


    this possibly the worst the heavyweight division has ever been.



    no.........hell no..........and hell nah............also 🤬 no

    🤬 please. This is possibly the worst boxing as a sport has ever been. You act like Floyd is out there fighting the best out of the best every match. Half the fights he takes are against people nobody cares about. The other half of them are 5 or so years after anyone wanted to see them.

    I agree, the Heavyweight division sucks, but the Klitchkos have still cleared it out taking on all challengers as soon as they come. They don't argue about splits. They don't claim the opponents aren't worthy to fight them. They don't accuse their opponents of juicing without any proof. They don't pull any of Floyd's tricks. They just fight and dominate. That's what the sport is about. I'm not saying they are better or bigger. I'm saying that they should be in the discussion. If you can't admit that, then you're just dickriding.

    All of what you said.. Still does not negate the fact that Floyd would have dismantled Manny just like he does every other fighter..

    lol Why you bringing up Manny? The two didn't fight. You can't give Floyd credit for a fight he didn't take. Maybe he would have won, maybe he would have lost. Who knows? That's the difference between the Klitchkos and Floyd. There is no question with the Klitchkos because they fought everyone who came their way immediately. They didn't play Floyd's little games of avoiding fights until the competition fell off and then beating up on them.
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