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  • Black Boy King
    Black Boy King Members Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lmao.............

    Obama flubs during health care conference call with community organizers, claims 'more than 100 MILLION Americans' have enrolled

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2509715/Obama-flubs-health-care-conference-community-organizers-More-100-million-Americans-successfully-enrolled.html

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  • Soloman_The_Wise
    Soloman_The_Wise The Make It Happen Man... Puget SoundMembers Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    Posted November 18th, 2013

    Rude Awakening for Federal Way Woman Who Got Shout-Out From President – Can’t Afford Obamacare Policy After All
    After Jessica Sanford Sends Fan Letter to Obama for Making Insurance Affordable, State Says She Must Pay Full Ticket
    By Erik Smith
    Washington State Wire

    Recognized by President: Jessica Sanford of Federal Way.
    Recognized by President: Jessica Sanford of Federal Way.
    OLYMPIA, Nov. 17.—Jessica Sanford, the Federal Way woman who got a shout-out from President Obama last month with her fan letter for the Affordable Care Act, got a rather rude awakening last week. Turns out she doesn’t qualify for a tax credit after all.

    At least that’s what the letter said that she got from the state. Now she says her dream of affordable health insurance has gone 🤬 . She can’t afford it. She’ll have to go without. “I’m really terribly embarrassed,” she says. “It has completely turned around on me. I mean, completely.”

    Chalk it up to a bollixed-up state website that apparently still has major problems. Originally it said Sanford and her child would get a whopping tax credit that would reduce their total premium to $169 a month. Now the state is telling her it goofed – twice – and she has to pay full ticket. There may even be a third goof involved: At least one health-insurance broker says she may qualify for a tax credit after all, albeit a small one. Officials at the state Healthplanfinder website could not be contacted Sunday night. But it just goes to show that even in the state of Washington, which has earned national kudos for a health-insurance exchange that seems to function better than the dysfunctional federal website, there are big, big problems.

    “They have to own up to what is going on,” Sanford says. “They have to fix it. They can’t just go around and say this is working great. In my opinion they ought to shut it down and just get all of it straightened out.”

    Sanford’s tale may not be all that unusual amid the national furor over Obamacare’s sputtering start. But it is particularly embarrassing because the president himself mentioned it in a speech, calling it a success story that makes the case for the program. These days fan letters are few and far between.



  • Soloman_The_Wise
    Soloman_The_Wise The Make It Happen Man... Puget SoundMembers Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    Shout-Out from Prez
    Obama mentions Sanford in Oct. 21 speech from White House Rose Garden.
    Obama mentions Sanford in Oct. 21 speech from White House Rose Garden.
    Obama related Sanford’s story in remarks from the Rose Garden last Oct. 21: “I recently received a letter from a woman named Jessica Sanford in Washington state, and here’s what she wrote. ‘I am a single mom, no child support, self-employed, and I haven’t had health insurance for 15 years because it is too expensive. My son has ADHD and requires regular doctor visits, and his meds alone cost $250 a month. I have had an ongoing tendinitis problem due to my line of work that I haven’t had treated. Now, finally, we get to have coverage because of the ACA for $169 a month. I was crying the other day when I signed up. So much stress lifted.’

    The president went on: “Now, that is not untypical for a lot of folks like Jessica who have been struggling without health insurance. That is what the Affordable Care Act is all about.”

    Sanford’s story might be typical, all right – but not in the way anyone thought, not anyone at the White House, and certainly not Sanford herself.

    Sanford and Son

    Yes, Sanford says, it was all true at the time she wrote the letter. She was ecstatic when she discovered she could sign up for a health plan that covered all her needs at a reasonable price. As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. That doesn’t go very far when there is a child in the household and his father doesn’t pay child support. Her 14-year-old son Ryan requires a special prescription medication that must be compounded. Before the Affordable Care Act came along, she was getting rate quotes of $500 and $600 a month. She just couldn’t afford health insurance, and her health care costs left her strapped.

    That’s why she was one of the eager customers who was ready to sign up the moment the state website opened for business on Oct. 1. Washington is one of 14 states that went its own way, building its own site rather than relying on what turned out to be an error-plagued federal system. Although a computer glitch shut down the Washington Healthplanfinder website the first day, by Oct. 3, with the help of a broker, Sanford managed to enroll in a “gold”-level health plan offered by Premera Blue Cross.

    The savings were tremendous. Thanks to the tax credit, Sanford qualified for a discount of $452 a month. “I was looking at it, and you know, it was like it was amazing. How was I supposed to know?”

    Sanford was so happy that she wrote a thank-you note to President Obama and dropped it in the mail. One of the president’s speechwriters contacted her and asked if he could use her story. When the president used her name she says it was one of the proudest moments of her life. “To think I would finally be covered if anything happened – I was so relieved.”

    Then came the bad news.

    Big Goof by State

    Four days after President Obama made his address, the state health exchange publicly revealed a grevious error – its tax-credit calculations were all wrong. The state had been submitting monthly income information to the federal data hub, but the federal computers were expecting an annual figure. Suppose a person claimed an income of $50,000 a year — the tax credit was based on an income of $4,166 a year. The higher the income, the bigger the error. Brokers say they caught the mistake right off the bat and tried flagging it to the state’s attention, but for some reason it took the state three weeks to acknowledge it. So everyone who purchased a subsidized health insurance policy through the Washington state exchange prior to Oct. 23 was quoted too low a rate. The mistake involved 4,600 policies covering 8,000 people – Sanford’s policy was one of them.

    The state sent a letter saying mistakes were made. And so she went back to her broker and tried again. They went over her income and made a more careful calculation of her business tax write-offs. But this time the website showed she qualified for a much lower tax credit, just $110.

    With a gulp, she signed up for a less-expensive “silver” plan from Premera – meaning that it had higher deductibles and copays. Still her premium went up. “I knew I would be struggling in my slow months. I didn’t know how I was going to do it. But honestly, I just wanted to get it in my budget and start working on it right away and start working on saving money toward it – that was all I could do, just work at it and hope for the best and try to take the money from here or there or wherever.”

    Sanford had managed to save enough money for half of the first month’s payment when she got another letter from the state last week. It had goofed again. She qualified for no tax credit at all.

    Medicaid Eligibility Becomes Problem

    The hitch was that the website told her that her income was low enough that she could enroll her son in the state Medicaid program for children of low-income families, known as Apple Health. For that she would have to pay a premium of just $30 a month. She could enroll him right away, and she did. But that created a problem. When she enrolled Ryan in Medicaid, she couldn’t count him toward a tax credit. Not that the website mentioned it. In fact, it gave her the opposite impression.

    Once the new health insurance policy kicked in on Jan. 1, the premium was supposed to be $280 a month, plus, she assumed, the Medicaid premium. But after she signed up for a policy, and after she gave her credit-card information, she got a letter from the state last week saying that her income was too high to qualify for subsidies – the cutoff is $44,680 for a single adult, 400 percent of the federal poverty level. So she would get no help from the feds at all.

    “I was dumbfounded,” she said. “I thought this was a total mistake, they’re going to correct this — this isn’t true. How could I not qualify for a tax credit? I make under $50,000 a year. There’s got to be something. So I got ahold of my broker, and a couple of days later he called me back, and he told me that no, it was true.”

    Now she says her health-insurance dream has gone bust. Without a tax credit she has to consider the cheapest “bronze” level plans, but the deductibles are so high that couldn’t afford to purchase prescription medication. “I was like, forget that – I’m not going to pay.”

    So now she is looking forward to no health insurance at all. Under the terms of the Affordable Care Act, she will have to pay a penalty of $95.

  • Soloman_The_Wise
    Soloman_The_Wise The Make It Happen Man... Puget SoundMembers Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    Customers Get Runaround

    Tumwater insurance broker Vernon Bonfield.
    Tumwater insurance broker Vernon Bonfield.
    The strange thing about the story is that there may be a third mistake involved, says Tumwater insurance broker Vernon Bonfield. He says Sanford’s son should never have been enrolled in Medicaid in the first place. The Apple Health program is supposed to be offered only to those who make less than 300 percent of the federal poverty level. Sanford makes 316 percent. Yet for some reason, he says the state website seems to be enrolling children in Medicaid who don’t qualify for it. “It could very well be that there is another calculator error – I made them aware of it last week, and they said they would look into it.”

    Error or not, it points up another big problem with the state system, Bonfield says – the state website makes it easy to sign up a child for Medicaid, but it doesn’t explain the drastic consequences for the tax-credit calculation, and after a child is enrolled, it doesn’t allow customers to change their minds. And while there is a procedure allowing people to disenroll their children in Medicaid, Bonfield says it is hard enough for brokers to get answers about it – imagine what it must be like for a consumer. “It is just mind-boggling.”

    The way the program works is a bit complicated. When households with incomes up to 200 percent of the federal poverty level sign up for health insurance at the state exchange, their children are automatically enrolled in the Medicaid program – there is no choice about it. Those who make between 200 and 250 percent of the federal poverty level can enroll their children with a premium of $20 a month per child, with a maximum of $40. Those who make between 250 percent and 300 percent pay a premium of $30 a month.

    Those who make between 200 percent and 300 percent are supposed to be able to opt out of the program. But the process isn’t explained anywhere online, and it wasn’t until last week that Bonfield found someone to explain it to him. Customers have to call the state Health Care Authority’s toll-free number, 1 (855) 623-9357 and ask to have their children disenrolled, wait for a day for the website to update, then go back to the health-exchange website and re-enroll in a qualified health plan.

    In practice it doesn’t necessarily work that way. Bonfield has had other customers in the same boat. He tells of one who called the state Health Care Authority to disenroll her child. “The lady on the phone said ‘No, you can’t do that, and you won’t get any tax credits if you do,’ which is the opposite of what I told her. And then she was told she had to call the Healthplanfinder – they’re the ones who can do that. Then she called the Healthplanfinder and they said, no, you have to call the Health Care Authority – they’re the ones who run Apple Health. And she said, they are the ones who just sent me to you. And then the person from the Healthplanfinder sent her to the Office of the Insurance Commissioner, and of course the OIC’s answer was, ‘we don’t have anything to do with the Healthplanfinder, at least when it comes to complaints.’ “

    But Bonfield says he has one customer last week who managed to get through on the phone to the Health Care Authority to disenroll his children — so it must be possible.

    No Beef With Obama

    Sanford has been trying to flag the state’s attention – she posted a note on the state Healthplanfinder Facebook page Friday, sent letters to every state official she could think of. She has gotten at least one response so far, a public note from the Healthplanfinder staff on its Facebook page that says, “Jessica, we are very sad and disappointed that the tax credit miscalculation affected you so heavily.”

    She says she wants to make it clear she has no beef with Obama and Obamacare. She still believes in the Affordable Care Act. “I don’t want this to be a political thing,” she says. “I don’t want to be bashing the president. I don’t want to be bashing the ACA. I don’t want to come across as saying that. I am a big Obama fan.

    “But to me there is a big problem with the way the state is handling it. It is like a big machine – you put your stuff in there and once you do it, it is impossible to do anything. You can’t get through to them [on the phone], the website is really limited. So you are stuck on this big treadmill of bureaucracy, and you know, it feels very out of control.”

    ...Just a bit of rebuttal for the other rant of posts in a row lol...
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    Good rebuttal Soloman....so if $44 grand is the cut off for subsidies for a single person, then people are really gonna get 🤬 once those employer mandates come in and cancel plans for 90 milllion (some say much more)....cuz even with subsidies, these plans are expensive as 🤬 smh.....I won't be surprised if Obama's approval ratings reach the low 30s by the end of the year, Swiffness' titangraphs seem to be actually hurting Obama's ratings if anything
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ziryab wrote: »
    lmao.............

    Obama flubs during health care conference call with community organizers, claims 'more than 100 MILLION Americans' have enrolled

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2509715/Obama-flubs-health-care-conference-community-organizers-More-100-million-Americans-successfully-enrolled.html

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    Damn just when I THOUGHT he stopped lying.............
  • REV_RAGE
    REV_RAGE Moonbase AlphaMembers Posts: 675 ✭✭✭✭
    Okay so he is a liar, we know this, but look at the positive side you Debbie-Downers out there. At least he is 100% consistent, so we should be able to use a logic loop and make his head explode.
  • Swiffness!
    Swiffness! PART OF THE CONSPIRACY Members Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    Fun Trivia:

    "The Social Security Act of 1935 excluded from coverage about half the workers in the American economy. Among the excluded groups were agricultural and domestic workers—a large percentage of whom were African Americans."

    Geez, I'm sure glad we FIXED Social Security instead of listening to the Kingblazes back in the day who wanted to repeal it because it didn't start off so hot.

    This is the crux of my beef, cuz.

    You a Republican that wants to destroy 🤬 , good for you. (and who knows, maybe you are drifting in that direction, because you voted for The Libertarian Party, who would gut every bank and Wall St regulatory law in the world given a chance) But if you're basically a progressive that wants America's (SHIITY) health care system to improve? 🤬 you doin' calling for ACA's full repeal, b? That's 🤬 , plain and simple. Say Obama sux blah blah blah but don't tell me you suddenly agree with the Right and their whole "🤬 Obamacare" fervor.

    You don't like the Mandate?

    HATE THE MANDATE, PROTEST FOR THE MANDATE TO BE REPEALED, OR AT LEAST LESSEN THE PENALTY GEEZ DUH

    But instead nahhhhhhhh, that's not anti-Obama enough for you....so you want to allow Insurance Companies to block people with "pre-existing conditions" and not cover mental health or women's health again? Really, b? I mean if I'm misrepresenting your position here, just say so. Say SPECIFICALLY what parts of the Affordable Care Act you want to see go, instead of this lame ignant "OBAMA SUX LOL REPEAL UNAFOORDABBLE CARE ACT" 🤬 .

    What you want? More subsidies right? No mandate? Transition to single payer? (FWIW i only support the mandate because I trust Paul Krugman and he is adamant that the system crashes without one, plus the experience in Massachusetts is that it isn't heavily enforced)

    Single payer would be much popular, as it is very popular in Britain, Japan, Trinidad, Israel

    LMFAO Israel and Japan have mandates too, b.

    and Britain is NOT Single Payer.

    🤬 , if you're gonna bash Obama for not doing A THING, please learn something about how THAT THING works.

    Britain has a top to bottom government controlled health care system. All doctors, all surgeons, all hospitals, are directly employed by the government. This is NOT the system most countries have because it comes with its own plate of problems. Waiting lists for one - they have to ration care to make it work, so you CAN catch a bad break and get stuck in a line when you need a doctor NOW basically. This is what conservatives are REALLY talking about when they freak out about DEATH PANELS and SOCIALIST medicine etc.

    The other problem is the OVERALL cost. While they're not basically throwing trillions down a hole like our inefficient system does, its a BIG burden on the budget.......the cost of doing this in America w/ 300 million ppl would be truly astronomical.........and they pay for it with a 50% nationwide sales tax. On Everything. lol jesus

    If you a British citizen, your personal health care costs ARE paid for tho. Free, no 🤬 from what I understand. Straight up. You in the hospital for a month, you never see a bill. I even heard that applies if you're NOT a citizen, which is pretty....wow. That's wayyyy different from Single Payer where, yes, you ARE still paying out of pocket costs and hospital bills and 🤬 .

    That's pretty sweet.

    But would you really wanna pay a 50% sales tax on your PS4 for it? lol
    The UNaffordable Care Act has done some good by you, good for you.

    Yep. Sucks for you. Godsend for me. I guess 🤬 you and yay Obamacare lol. Since "does this law benefit me directly yet" is apparently the only metric of success.
    GEEEEEZZZZ........I wonder why the UNaffordable Care Act and Obama are so unpopular right now.......could it be because the UNaffordable Care Act is well, uh......UNAFFORDABLE?

    Talking out yo ass once again no 🤬 lol:

    (Reuters) - The troubled rollout of President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law has hurt the popularity of the initiative, but the decline has been fairly modest, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Monday.

    Forty-one percent of Americans expressed support for the 2010 law popularly known as Obamacare in a survey conducted from Thursday to Monday. That was down 3 percentage points from a Reuters/Ipsos poll taken from September 27 to October 1.

    Opposition to the healthcare law stood at 59 percent in the latest poll, versus 56 percent in the earlier survey.

    There has been some shift ... but the shift has been small," said Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson.

    Jackson said the relatively small change in the poll numbers was consistent with a pattern in place since the passage of the law three years ago in which opinions about it have fluctuated very little.

    "Overall, these opinions are already pretty fixed," Jackson said.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/18/us-usa-healthcare-poll-idUSBRE9AH18U20131118

    "What we are seeing is incredible momentum," said Peter Lee, director of Covered California, the nation's largest state insurance marketplace, which accounted for a third of all enrollments nationally in October. California—which enrolled about 31,000 people in health plans last month—nearly doubled that in the first two weeks of this month.

    Several other states, including Connecticut and Kentucky, are outpacing their enrollment estimates, even as states that depend on the federal website lag far behind. In Minnesota, enrollment in the second half of October ran at triple the rate of the first half, officials said. Washington state is also on track to easily exceed its October enrollment figure, officials said.

    Many people are likely still in window-shopping mode, and enrollments should pick up even more—both on the state sites and the federal site—in the last week or two before the December 15 deadline for insurance to be in place on January 1, and then again in February and March before the final deadline. The Massachusetts experience provides the best model for enrollment patterns, and in the first four months of enrollment just about one-fifth of the uninsured population enrolled.

    The people will come. They're not freaked out over what most people perceive as inevitable: a problematic new government program. They're not abandoning support for the program in droves. They're not calling for an end to the program. They're patient enough to give it time to work, even if Republicans and the traditional media are not.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/19/1256749/-Obamacare-enrollments-surging-HealthCare-gov-working-better

    As it turns out, the numbers show that President Bush's Medicare Part D prescription drug plan, a program that now enjoys 90 percent approval from America's seniors, was far more unpopular during its launch than Obama's Affordable Care Act is now.
    so unpopular right now

    medicare_rx_aca_polls.png

    But hey, don't let me stop you from your personal grudge against Obama lmao
    janklow wrote: »
    well, i AM 🤬 at him, he's an 🤬 and he sucks

    🤬 please if he was pro-gun you'd be practically ready to name your child after him

  • Swiffness!
    Swiffness! PART OF THE CONSPIRACY Members Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BTW kingblaze, you should really, REALLY try applying again. Create another account. You can get 🤬 over on subsidies if you answer a question wrong, peep:

    I input son's income information from his W2, as well as his Social Security number. During the insurance status section, I was asked (paraphrased) first to indicate whether he has insurance from his employer now. That was an easy answer - "no". The next question kicked off the glitch. They asked (again, paraphrased) if he could get employer provided insurance in 2014. Strictly speaking, if it wasn't wildly expensive and ridiculously 🤬 insurance, the answer would be "yes". He COULD get employer provided insurance in 2014.

    It was only through yesterday's diary and the patient advice of many scarily informed kossacks that I figured that out. You see, before I was assisted in identifying what the issue was, I was getting what I considered wildly wonky prices in the enrollment phase.

    Turns out that answering that "yes" to the second insurance question caused the problem. Without asking an affordability question or providing me the option to give additional information about the insurance offered through his employer, healthcare.gov decided that my son was NOT eligible for premium subsidies.


    Because of that little "yes" answer, his premium for the lowest cost bronze level plan was coming back at $178/month (9.6% of his pre tax income) and the lowest cost silver plan was coming back at $220/month (11.8% of his pre tax income). I knew intellectually that this wasn't right. I'd been on a variety of sites and knew that, given his annual income, he shouldn't be paying more than 6.02% of his income on health insurance premiums.

    SO. I created another NEW account for him and started the whole shindig over again. This time, I answered "no" to the question of whether or not he "could" get health insurance through his employer. THAT made the difference. Instead of taking me straight to "select a plan" in the enrollment portion, I had a NEW option to set how the subsidy was applied (that didn't exist before when I answered "yes" to the aforementioned question). I selected to apply all of the premium subsidy to his premium, and voila! He got a great silver PPO with a lowish deductible and decent out of pocket maximum for $101/month. (5.4% of his pre tax income).

    But the exception IS concerning. I imagine that there are countless low wage workers out there - hospitality, retail, etc. - who DO have health insurance available through their employer. They would naturally indicate, in that second insurance question, that they "could" get health insurance through their employer in 2014. The application doesn't ask you how much that insurance costs, however. So "could" becomes a very subjective word, and I don't think a casual user would ponder the results to the extent that I did. Nor do I think that a casual user - particularly one in the target demographic (which my son is) - would know well enough to know that there was something wrong with the premium they were getting. They would just know that the resultant premium, without the premium subsidy, is unaffordable for them, and they'd check out.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/19/1256859/-My-ACA-Success-Story-with-a-caveat-Read-and-learn-from-my-mistake

    Another thing they need to fix and better inform people on.

    As they tweak and repair and improve the Affordable Care Act.

    Instead of repealing in full like SOME people want.

    And please notice how SOME people on other websites are trying to help folks use the new law better instead of just sitting back and taking cheap shots at it on a 🤬 politics message board that has what, like 50 replies a week?
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    Swiff, I already applied at the website, and filled everything out correctly. I even switched some things around and the deductibles were still through the roof, the prices still horrible. In fact the prices there are so horrible, Obama and his fellow crooks in Congress got themselves an exemption from the law. Even Obama wants no part of Obamacare smh.........

    No thanks. By the way, your titangraphs aren't helping Obama out, only 31% of Americans approve of the law now and Obama's approval rating is now a pathetic GW bush level 37%. He should stop being an idiot and start fighting for a single payer healthcare system. It would be cheaper and more popular, something many Democrats have been saying lately....

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57613067/poll-obamacare-support-obama-approval-sink-to-new-lows/

    President Obama's job approval rating has plunged to the lowest of his presidency, according to a new CBS News poll released Wednesday, and Americans' approval of the Affordable Care Act has dropped it's lowest since CBS News started polling on the law.

    Thirty-seven percent now approve of the job Mr. Obama is doing as president, down from 46 percent in October -- a nine point drop in just a month. Mr. Obama's disapproval rating is 57 percent -- the highest level for this president in CBS News Polls.

    A rocky beginning to the opening of the new health insurance exchanges has also taken its toll on how Americans perceive the Affordable Care Act. Now, approval of the law has dropped to 31 percent - the lowest number yet recorded in CBS News Polls, and a drop of 12 points since last month. Sixty-one percent disapprove (a high for this poll), including 46 percent who say they disapprove strongly.


    --No more titangraphs Swiffness. You're only hurting your case. Try again. When the horrible prices of the UNaffordable Care Act drop, come back to me.
  • twatgetta
    twatgetta Members Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's 11-20-2013 and the Obamacare program and website are still down. ..smdh
  • blakfyahking
    blakfyahking The IC's Resident Father Figure Members Posts: 15,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @swiffness

    who's in here caping for the insurance industry...........except for maybe the architects of the ACA haha

    the only real benefit ACA provided is the language about pre-existing conditions

    but the rest is nothing but a cover for insurance companies to be able to raise their prices on the low



    healthcare is obviously a state issue.......and if a state doesn't feel like it should supplement your healthcare, then that should be the choice of that local government and that citizen who chooses to live there

    the ACA is govt overreach plain and simple......they would have been better off just making universal healthcare free........but that isn't logistically possible if you want the best healthcare available in the world
  • Soloman_The_Wise
    Soloman_The_Wise The Make It Happen Man... Puget SoundMembers Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NO rebuttal to my posts, given A lady Obama shouted out in the end got screwed I was at least expecting someone to rationalize and show me some figure/factor on why she is benefiting from all this? Anyone???
  • Black Boy King
    Black Boy King Members Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this 🤬 swiffness gotta be gettin paid
  • janklow
    janklow god's lonely man. Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    Swiffness! wrote: »
    🤬 please if he was pro-gun you'd be practically ready to name your child after him
    if he was pro-gun, he wouldn't be 🤬 with me.

    but let's be fair: you can argue Bush II was the least annoying to my mind in the recent past (Reagan closed the registry on us; Bush I pulled that 🤬 NRA stunt plus 🤬 us on import regulations; Clinton hammered us with an AWB and the 🤬 ATF; Obama would do a lot worse if he COULD) ... but you know what? i ain't naming kids after Bush II

    also Obama is, in fact, an 🤬 for reasons beyond the gun thing. but i only allow myself to get worked up about one (1) issue. actually, the ironic thing is i know a lot of gun owners who were saying "oh, Obama's a centrist and to pragmatic to attack guns" and voted for the guy. such bitterness now exists...

  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NO rebuttal to my posts, given A lady Obama shouted out in the end got screwed I was at least expecting someone to rationalize and show me some figure/factor on why she is benefiting from all this? Anyone???

    This is the reason no one gave you a rebuttal on your post fam.........

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/20/cbs-poll-93-percent-want-obamacare-changed-repealed

    A fascinating number in Wednesday's CBS poll is that only 7% of the American public want ObamaCare "kept in place." A full 93% either believe that changes are needed to the law (48%) or want a full repeal (43%). This pits President Obama and Democrat lawmakers -- who thus far have refused to make any meaningful changes -- against 93% of the American people and 72% of Democrats.

    Moreover, only 12% of Democrats want ObamaCare "kept as is." Another 12% want it repealed.


    If only 12% of Democrats want nothing changed with ObamaCare, there is no question that Democrat lawmakers and the president are defying their own base with this ongoing refusal to make any real changes to the law. Furthermore, they are blocking proposed changes, including changes proposed by fellow Democrats.
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2013
    I know I'm late, but I haven't seen this posted anywhere on this site.

    Apparently, the ACA allows each state to set up a single payer system, and Vermont is first up.

    http://www.occupydemocrats.com/vermont-makes-promise-people-video/

    The ACA provided states with federal funds to institute a Medicaid expansion. The states chose to expand the program also were able to set up their own state exchanges, which were relatively free from the problems the federal site had. Vermont decided to take it a step further by setting up their very own single payer system.

    The program will be fully operational by 2017, and will be funded through Medicare, Medicaid, federal money for the ACA given to Vermont, and a slight increase in taxes. In exchange, there will be no more premiums, deductibles, copay’s, hospital bills or anything else aimed at making insurance companies a profit. Further, all hospitals and healthcare providers will now be nonprofit.

    .... Hopefully the rest of the country follows suit.
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • twatgetta
    twatgetta Members Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2013
    It's 12-09-2013 and the Obamacare program and website are still down. ..smdh

    Let's see how far this will go.
  • Black Boy King
    Black Boy King Members Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @twatgetta Nah yo it works for @swiff, maybe he should be a good samaritan and let 🤬 come over and sign up via his computer. I'm sure Obama would give him a raise for that
  • mc317
    mc317 Chief Of Goddamn Station Dark Side of The MoonMembers Posts: 5,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    🤬 i might be-gucci mane
  • twatgetta
    twatgetta Members Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's 12-13-2013 and the Obamacare program and website are still "Out of Order" ..smdh x13
  • Jabu_Rule
    Jabu_Rule Members Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    twatgetta wrote: »
    It's 12-13-2013 and the Obamacare program and website are still "Out of Order" ..smdh x13

    When you say it's out of order, do you mean that you can't complete the process?
  • earth two superman
    earth two superman ladies please dont fight. E2S is here all night! Members Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2013
    obamacare made my insurance go down about 45 bucks a month next year. First time in 10 yrs rates have gone down at my job, my HR person said.

    Thanks, Obama!
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    obamacare made my insurance go down about 45 bucks a month next year. First time in 10 yrs rates have gone down at my job, my HR person said.

    Thanks, Obama!

    Too bad most Americans aren't going through the luck you just had.....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/15/obamacare-poll_n_4448662.html

    Obamacare Seen As Making Coverage Worse For Some: Poll

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans who already have health insurance are blaming President Barack Obama's health care overhaul for their rising premiums and deductibles, and overall 3 in 4 say the rollout of coverage for the uninsured has gone poorly.

    An Associated Press-GfK poll finds that health care remains politically charged going into next year's congressional elections. Keeping the refurbished HealthCare.gov website running smoothly is just one of Obama's challenges, maybe not the biggest.

    The poll found a striking level of unease about the law among people who have health insurance and aren't looking for government help. Those are the 85 percent of Americans who the White House says don't have to be worried about the president's historic push to expand coverage for the uninsured.

    In the survey, nearly half of those with job-based or other private coverage say their policies will be changing next year — mostly for the worse. Nearly 4 in 5 (77 percent) blame the changes on the Affordable Care Act, even though the trend toward leaner coverage predates the law's passage.

    Sixty-nine percent say their premiums will be going up, while 59 percent say annual deductibles or copayments are increasing.