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Black Bolt vs Red Tornado

evoljeanyesevoljeanyes Members Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
Black Bolt vs Red tornado

I am taking Red Tornado in this one fellas...what do you guys think?
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  • CainCain The audacity of you fuck niggas Cyttorax DimensionMembers, Moderators Posts: 44,543 Regulator
    Black Bolt destroys Red Tornado not even a fair fight
  • Lou CypherLou Cypher Make Reasonable Choices. H. E. Double Hockey SticksMembers Posts: 52,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Black Bolt could destroy a world by sneezing.
  • Sour-CreamSour-Cream Members Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Red Tornado.
  • evoljeanyesevoljeanyes Members Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yall are asleep on red tornado for real...
  • gnsgns Bleeding 24/7 Members Posts: 21,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    🤬 🤬 me.off.with.this question.
    Do y'all know.who.blackagar is
  • evoljeanyesevoljeanyes Members Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    🤬 Blackagar is a beast, but red tornado is bout that life...don't sleep
  • evoljeanyesevoljeanyes Members Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    red tornado can speed blitz Blackagar...early...Air and wind control and manipulation give him a great chance to hold off the SCREAM and even if it shatters him...he can put himself back together...so this is no walk in the park fellas...Bolt has regular durability
  • Bcotton5Bcotton5 Members Posts: 51,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Black Bolt
  • CainCain The audacity of you fuck niggas Cyttorax DimensionMembers, Moderators Posts: 44,543 Regulator
    If Blackbolt yells its a wrap nothing Red can do to stop it. If Red controlled the air to stop sound from traveling then I could see him winning but he can't so yeah Red is dead.
  • Sour-CreamSour-Cream Members Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If Red Tornado gets murked, he'll just turn into an air element and merge with Black Bolt, using him as a host and taking over his body from what I've read. Plus, the 🤬 has super speed so he can smack the 🤬 outta black bolt before he screams then knock him the 🤬 out.

    Red could regenerate in the event of any damage being taken to. One up goes to Red.
  • jaxnjaxn Members Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    Black Bolt. He has abilities other than his scream. That's usually used as a last resort. Marvel has shown BB using his voice much more often as of late
  • evoljeanyesevoljeanyes Members Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Which of his powers are on par with red other than the scream...nothing else will be harmful to red...bolt has marginal strength no...low speed...red can get up...in speed and super strong...he will beat bolt sans the scream...even that I think he can handle with his powers.
  • DarkRaidenDarkRaiden Members Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
    Blackbolt should easily win this. His voice is an easy win as is the Master Blow and his electrokinesis. He's fought pretty well on the level of Hulk and Thor before w/o using his voice and actually using it put Thor's level for real.

  • evoljeanyesevoljeanyes Members Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Black bolt is slow and has low showings of vulnerability.
  • jaxnjaxn Members Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    BB has electron manipulation abilities. He's roughly in the CL 90 range.
  • Bcotton5Bcotton5 Members Posts: 51,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jaxn wrote: »
    BB has electron manipulation abilities. He's roughly in the CL 90 range.
    This black bolt can boost his Strength and has matter manipulation powers along with telepathic power
  • evoljeanyesevoljeanyes Members Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He can boost his strength to 60tons. Black bolts energy manipulation has no feats...nor does his matter...he mostly uses it to augment his own ability. His telepathy only works on inhumans. 🤬 without augmentation is 10tons. He has energy blasts and the scream....you need to pound red tornado to win.
  • jaxnjaxn Members Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    Bcotton5 wrote: »
    jaxn wrote: »
    BB has electron manipulation abilities. He's roughly in the CL 90 range.
    This black bolt can boost his Strength and has matter manipulation powers along with telepathic power

    BB doesn't have matter manipulation unless you're talking about someone else. His TP is for him to talk not something that is used as a weapon.
  • jaxnjaxn Members Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    He can boost his strength to 60tons. Black bolts energy manipulation has no feats...nor does his matter...he mostly uses it to augment his own ability. His telepathy only works on inhumans. 🤬 without augmentation is 10tons. He has energy blasts and the scream....you need to pound red tornado to win.

    BB has electron manipulation abilities and he's used it fairly often in the past. BB is roughly CL 90, CL 75 at the lowest..I don't know where this augmented strength argument is coming from.
  • evoljeanyesevoljeanyes Members Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    His electron manipulation gives him strength. He is naturally class 10 strength. Black bolt doesn't much use his electron manipulation abilities in combat.
  • evoljeanyesevoljeanyes Members Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    His electron manipulation gives him strength. He is naturally class 10 strength. Black bolt doesn't much use his electron manipulation abilities in combat. Unless its to augment his strength for that punch
  • jaxnjaxn Members Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    you know something, i forgot about BB's matter manip but here's a breakdown of his powerset (again i don't know where the idea of low durability and CL 10 strength came from). That's nowhere in his history. His power is based on Electron manipulation which he gathers from the air around him. He uses his tuning fork to harness and store these electrons and use it for a variety of effect such as energy blasts, energy & electron fields, energy detection, "telepathy" and matter manip. He's capable of using his electron manip to actually interface/interact with technology. He has energy absorption and manipulation. Although he doesn't have telepathy in the traditional sense, he uses his electron manip to "mimic" the effects. He's shown the ability to use mind blasts as well as effect other telepaths, controlling them as well. He's able to "shield" himself from telepathic detection and has some resistance to telepahy himself. He does have matter manip (sorry). He has shown the ability to transmute objects. He has gone blow for blow with the likes of Hulk and Thor..Thor even commenting that BB may be augmenting his strength to fight him evenly. So again I apologize. At base, he's around CL 90 but when trading blows with guys on Thor and Hulk's strength level, he will enhance his strength. He can use his electron manip to enhance his speed and his durability has always been on par with the likes of Thor and others..He also has the master blow, when he channels his energy into an attack similar to the ironfist..He can do all of this, before even getting into using his voice. BB uses his electron manip all the time..We can discuss specific fights if you'd like and how he compares to other top tiers. I haven't pulled out the older books in quite some time but last night I just went to the stacks to check out appearances for several characters. Comics were much better back in the day.
  • jaxnjaxn Members Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    His electron manipulation gives him strength. He is naturally class 10 strength. Black bolt doesn't much use his electron manipulation abilities in combat. Unless its to augment his strength for that punch

    I can give you issues to check out his feats if you like. He uses his electron manip all the time since that's the source of his powers. Actually BB is one of the more powerful characters in Marvel besides above top tier folks like Thanos, etc.
  • jaxnjaxn Members Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
    jaxn wrote: »
    Bcotton5 wrote: »
    jaxn wrote: »
    BB has electron manipulation abilities. He's roughly in the CL 90 range.
    This black bolt can boost his Strength and has matter manipulation powers along with telepathic power

    BB doesn't have matter manipulation unless you're talking about someone else. His TP is for him to talk not something that is used as a weapon.

    I apologize Bcotton5, he does have matter manip.
  • Bcotton5Bcotton5 Members Posts: 51,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Powers and AbilitiesEdit
    Powers
    Blackagar Boltagon (Earth-616)Black Bolt
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    Ambient Particle & Electron Harnessing: Black Bolt's primary superhuman ability is the power to harness electrons. The speech center of his brain contains a unique organic mechanism that's able to generate an unknown particle that interacts with the electrons he absorbs to create certain phenomena that are determined by his mental control. After the detonation of the Terrigen Bomb, Black Bolt's powers were greatly disminished.[18]

    Quasi-Sonic Scream: Black Bolt's most devastating offensive weapon, and one of these phenomena based upon the particle interaction, is his actual voice. A whisper can level a city, cause distant dormant volcanoes to become active once more, shake entire continents apart and generate tremors on the far side of the planet. A hypersonic shout has been said to generate enough force to destroy planets. Due to the constant and extreme danger posed by his voice, he has undergone rigorous mental training to prevent himself from uttering even the smallest sound, even while asleep. Recently it has been shown that Black Bolt's scream is tied into his emotions, especially anger. This in turn would mean that the power of his scream would depend on his emotional state in at least some way. It would explain the somewhat significant difference of the power released by his quasi-sonic scream. While at in a calm state, a simple whisper from Black Bolt has destroyed entire mountain ranges and cities in seconds in the past, but while under more strenuous circumstances, it was stated that a single syllable would be capable of annihilating more than half a planet. The full extent and damage of Black Bolt's scream is unknown, but based on the fact that it is caused by particle interaction and electron manipulation, it is theoretically infinite, destroying both the Sentry and the Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange with one sound wave on a parallel Earth.

    Particle & Electron Channeling: Black Bolt wears a metallic, fork-shaped antenna upon his brow that allows him to focus and channel his powers in more directed and less destructive ways. This antenna monitor's the speech center of his brain and allows him to direct quantities of the unknown particles to create controlled phenomena, such as enhancing his physical strength beyond his normal limits. He can also channel all the available energy he has into one arm for a single, massively powerful punch called the Master Blow. The exertion from this, however, taxes his ability to employ the energy to its full power for a short time.

    Particle & Electron Manipulation: Black Bolt can also direct the unknown particle outwards without the use of his vocal chords. He can route the particles through his arms and create small yet vastly powerful blasts of concussive force. He can also form a field of highly active electrons around his body with a wave of his hand. This field can deflect projectiles like the mass of a large meteor. Black Bolt can also create enough iteration between the electron and particle energies to generate fields solid enough for him to travel over.

    Matter & Energy Manipulation: Through an unknown method, Black Bolt has shown numerous times that he has the ability to manipulate matter and energy to an unknown degree. He has shown the ability to transmute the elements, turn water into ice, create multiple toys out of thin air as nothing but a mere baby[19] by re-arranging the molecular structure. He has destroyed a Solar Flare powerful enough to annihilate the Earth, created black holes, and was able to block the powers of others through his abilities and in turn denying them the access to their abilities.

    Telepathy: Black Bolt has incredibly powerful telepathic abilities as evident when he was able to easily resist the mental abilities of his powerful brother, and on different occasions, use his own abilities to overpower and take control over Maximus' mind.

    Anti-Gravitational Flight: Black Bolt can also harness the unknown particles his brain generates to interact with electrons to create anti-gravitons that enable him to defy gravity. By emitting a jet of rapidly moving particle / electron interaction by-product while enveloped by anti-gravitons, Black Bolt has been shown to fly faster than a 1000 miles per hour for a period of 10 hours, to fly beyond escape velocity, and keep up with Nova, the human rocket who can fly at speeds above light. The anti-graviton field also serves to protect Black Bolt from the detrimental effects of rapid movement through the atmosphere although it's not needed.

    Inhuman Physiology: Like all Inhumans, Black Bolt's natural physiology grants him a number of superhuman physical attributes but because of the genetic tampering at birth, Black Bolt's physical abilities are significantly superior to the other members of his race.

    Superhuman Strength: Black Bolt, like all Inhumans, is superhumanly strong. According to his bio, under normal circumstances, he is able to lift about 1 ton. However, he can augment his physical strength by channeling the necessary particle energy through his body. At his peak, he is able to lift up to 60 tons. However, he has been observed matching opponents as physically strong as Thor and Gladiator in hand-to-hand combat, and even appeared to be capable of overpowering the latter. This would suggest that, at his peak, he is capable of lifting in excess of 100 tons.

    Superhuman Speed: Black Bolt can run and move at speeds that are beyond the natural physical limits of the finest human athlete, as he has been able to catch directed miniature missiles even when attacked from below and unaware with ease[20], move at a speed so great he is invisible to the human eye[20], move at such a speed he can travel vast distances before a human can finish processing a thought[20], and has been able to catch and beat Quicksilver with ease.[21] He can augment his speed to unknown level.

    Superhuman Stamina: Black Bolt's Inhuman musculature generates less fatigue toxins than the musculature of a normal human, even the finest human athlete. At his peak, he can exert himself for several days before the build up of fatigue toxins in his blood begins to impair him. He can augment his stamina to unknown as well as his other physical abilities with his powers.

    Superhuman Durability: Black Bolt's body is incredibly resistant to all forms of physical damage. Black Bolt is resistant to great impact forces, such as falling from a height of several stories that would severely injure or 🤬 a human being unharmed. He has been repeatedly struck by beings with vast superhuman strength such as Hulk, Namor, Gladiator, Thanos, etc. and remained unharmed. Black Bolt is capable of withstanding extreme temperatures, such as the cold in space without any discomfort, the heat from re-entry without any discomfort, and even the heat from a Solar Flare powerful enough to significantly damage the planet without any damage at all. Black Bolt can augment his durability to unknown limits.

    Superhuman Agility: Black Bolt's agility, balance, and 🤬 coordination are enhanced to levels that are beyond the natural physical limits of the finest human athlete. He has shown inhuman and amazing maneuverability and agility in the air, capable enough of combating numerous air crafts, and dodging various projectiles from multiple directions. Black Bolt can augment his agility to unknown levels.

    Superhuman Reflexes: Black Bolt's reflexes are beyond those of the finest human athlete, and he can augment his reflexes to unknown levels.

    Superhuman Longevity: Like all Inhumans, Black Bolt has a natural lifespan that is at least twice the average lifespan of a human being.

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