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Scarface Says Hip Hop Is Intentionally Being Dumbed Down
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This is not new, though. For over fifteen years, the diminishing importance of Black people on the executive, A&R, label head, etc. has taken place. This is just reaching the pinnacle.
People talk about the internet, but because the profit margins in the recording industry is bleeding, it is really stamping out a lot of minority voice in mainstream music (creatively and in the corporate world).
Some that miss the point think this is stating the flood of white artists. Nope. Quite the contrary. There will always be black artists in hip-hop, it is just who is picked to be put on is what changes, and remember..there is always someone willing to 🤬 for $$$, however fleeting the dollars may be.
For example, look at conscious rap. True conscious rap is more black-friendly than ever. Remember when conscious rap got co-op'd in the 90s and was a college radio/white yuppy type of sound and fanbase?
Now..Lupe making street records again is easier to relate to than these kingpin duck tales that gets spin. Conscious rappers have been speaking on all of the 🤬 that Macklemore got buzz on, but these white rappers are being promoted as counter programming to the "popcorn" gangsta fantasy rap. White folks view all of this hip-hop 🤬 as entertainment, so once they tired of buying the fantasy of being some hot coke dealer moving weight in D.C., pushing weight in a Lexus..now they want to cornily put down consumerism and materialistic values because they pop tags at a thrift shop. FOH.
Getting rid of the socially conscious rapper was the worst thing that could have happened to us.
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Old irrelevant ass 🤬 need to sit his hating ass down somewhere. Always wanna hate on the young 🤬 getting money
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That sarcasm sucked
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ruffled some feathers good job Face!
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I hope that was sarcasm..Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »Old irrelevant ass 🤬 need to sit his hating ass down somewhere. Always wanna hate on the young 🤬 getting money
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The question we need to be asking: WHEN did the decline start and WHO is merely responsible for bringing in the 🤬 ? We all know the execs in power funded it but from an artist standpoint..WHO?
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MikeydaGawd wrote: »That sarcasm sucked
It wasn't supposed to be good
anyway
what I don't understand is why some fans complain about hip hop being dumbed down but pay no mind the other artist who aren't or either call them "lyrical miracle rappers or dictionary rappers or whatever corny names yall can come up with. Make up your minds. Some of you spend more time 🤬 about the culture than actually supporting what you like. Artist yall considered dumb down get more attention from yall then artist you like. Idk how we have more Drake haters on here but his threads do the most numbers.
Hip hop has alot of intelligent lyrics you all just choose to ignore it. We see next time an elzhi or killer mike thread is made how many of you 🤬 in here complaining will actually be in that thread compared to the next Trinidad 🤬 James thread -
Another thing why is it when a southern 🤬 complains about hip hop, he gets cosigns but when a new York og says the same 🤬Built 4 cuban linx wrote: »Old irrelevant ass 🤬 need to sit his hating ass down somewhere. Always wanna hate on the young 🤬 getting money
^^^^ This is said. No feelings I'm just curious -
Disciplined InSight wrote: »The question we need to be asking: WHEN did the decline start and WHO is merely responsible for bringing in the 🤬 ? We all know the execs in power funded it but from an artist standpoint..WHO?
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This is not new, though. For over fifteen years, the diminishing importance of Black people on the executive, A&R, label head, etc. has taken place. This is just reaching the pinnacle.
People talk about the internet, but because the profit margins in the recording industry is bleeding, it is really stamping out a lot of minority voice in mainstream music (creatively and in the corporate world).
Some that miss the point think this is stating the flood of white artists. Nope. Quite the contrary. There will always be black artists in hip-hop, it is just who is picked to be put on is what changes, and remember..there is always someone willing to 🤬 for $$$, however fleeting the dollars may be.
For example, look at conscious rap. True conscious rap is more black-friendly than ever. Remember when conscious rap got co-op'd in the 90s and was a college radio/white yuppy type of sound and fanbase?
Now..Lupe making street records again is easier to relate to than these kingpin duck tales that gets spin. Conscious rappers have been speaking on all of the 🤬 that Macklemore got buzz on, but these white rappers are being promoted as counter programming to the "popcorn" gangsta fantasy rap. White folks view all of this hip-hop 🤬 as entertainment, so once they tired of buying the fantasy of being some hot coke dealer moving weight in D.C., pushing weight in a Lexus..now they want to cornily put down consumerism and materialistic values because they pop tags at a thrift shop. FOH.
Getting rid of the socially conscious rapper was the worst thing that could have happened to us.
Nobody got rid of the socially conscious rapper. They never went anywhere -
white people destroy every culture they touch
This. When's the last time you had a rock n roll (Heavy Metal, RnB, Soul, Grunge, etc.) mainstream radio?
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This is not new, though. For over fifteen years, the diminishing importance of Black people on the executive, A&R, label head, etc. has taken place. This is just reaching the pinnacle.
People talk about the internet, but because the profit margins in the recording industry is bleeding, it is really stamping out a lot of minority voice in mainstream music (creatively and in the corporate world).
Some that miss the point think this is stating the flood of white artists. Nope. Quite the contrary. There will always be black artists in hip-hop, it is just who is picked to be put on is what changes, and remember..there is always someone willing to 🤬 for $$$, however fleeting the dollars may be.
For example, look at conscious rap. True conscious rap is more black-friendly than ever. Remember when conscious rap got co-op'd in the 90s and was a college radio/white yuppy type of sound and fanbase?
Now..Lupe making street records again is easier to relate to than these kingpin duck tales that gets spin. Conscious rappers have been speaking on all of the 🤬 that Macklemore got buzz on, but these white rappers are being promoted as counter programming to the "popcorn" gangsta fantasy rap. White folks view all of this hip-hop 🤬 as entertainment, so once they tired of buying the fantasy of being some hot coke dealer moving weight in D.C., pushing weight in a Lexus..now they want to cornily put down consumerism and materialistic values because they pop tags at a thrift shop. FOH.
Getting rid of the socially conscious rapper was the worst thing that could have happened to us.
Nobody got rid of the socially conscious rapper. They never went anywhere
Their music just wasn't deemed mainstream enough anymore. Even though every once in awhile you will get a record with a message on the radio. -
If I remember correctly Face used to be an executive so he has some insider knowledge on the subject.
Yea he was president of Def Jam South, I think he had a hand in signing pre-wack LudacrisDisciplined InSight wrote: »The question we need to be asking: WHEN did the decline start and WHO is merely responsible for bringing in the 🤬 ? We all know the execs in power funded it but from an artist standpoint..WHO?
Laffy Taffy/This Is Why Im Hot -
5th Letter wrote: »
I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.smokelahoma wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.
you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it. -
5th Letter wrote: »
I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.smokelahoma wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.
you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.
hell naw... and u said Drake was a multifaceted lyricist lol foh -
smokelahoma wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »
I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.smokelahoma wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.
you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.
hell naw... and u said Drake was a multifaceted lyricist lol foh
He sure ain't doin no Laffy Taffy 🤬 . He does speak on different subjects and has a point, regardless if we like it or not. Mind you, I'm comparing them to ringtone rappers, which isn't hard to beat anyway. -
INB4 he's a bitter old 🤬 and doesn't know what he talking about
They tend to only do that if it's a NY artist. It's some kind of residual regional inferiority complex or something. -
looking at the comments on the hiphopdx article...white boys feeling brave behind a keyboard
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I'd take this slow burn approach over that mid 2000's ringtone garbage.5th Letter wrote: »
I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.smokelahoma wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.
you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.
There are more rappers than those 4 that can spit. You look at Meek, Wiz, Krit, ASAP Rocky, Troy Ave, Big Sean etc.
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5th Letter wrote: »
I'd take this slow burn approach over that mid 2000's ringtone garbage.5th Letter wrote: »
I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.smokelahoma wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.
you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.
There are more rappers than those 4 that can spit. You look at Meek, Wiz, Krit, ASAP Rocky, Troy Ave, Big Sean etc.
I'm talkin mainstream, those that sell records. Granted, that's not the basis of lyricism, but record sales means that the people are listening to your music. None of them dudes you mentioned cracked platinum or are talked about in the mainstream like that. Hip hop is in a great place in the underground, prolly one of the best eras the underground has ever had. But the mainstream still needs a lot of work. -
smokelahoma wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »
I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.smokelahoma wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.
you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.
hell naw... and u said Drake was a multifaceted lyricist lol foh
He sure ain't doin no Laffy Taffy 🤬 . He does speak on different subjects and has a point, regardless if we like it or not. Mind you, I'm comparing them to ringtone rappers, which isn't hard to beat anyway.
nah he doin that Ja Rule sing for a 🤬 🤬 yet try to act hard at the same time routine... 🤬 is equally as whack -
Method Man was saying the same exact 🤬 two years ago....and the Southern Hip Hop Defense Force pushed that thread to about 15 pages.....Scarface comes and says the same thing and they are nowhere to be found.....interesting
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Sneak Dissa wrote: »
well here is a conundrum for them Brad Jordan was Born In Jersey and has now Moved to New York as he has stated in the interview. So technically at this point he is east coast born NYC artist... -
I wonder why he move from Houston to New York
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Not sure about that but i do feel hip hop made a transition into accepting more and more suburban raised rappers though that shouldn't matter if there is talnt, Wiz Khalifa is that but he real dope
