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Scarface Says Hip Hop Is Intentionally Being Dumbed Down

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  • ScottTrippin
    ScottTrippin Members Posts: 12
    Artist are the smallest part of the problem its the companies they work for. Artist don't control anything..Most times they don't even control their art..outside of a few big names,rappers are just workers doing what their bosses say...
  • Wild Self
    Wild Self Members Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Excerpt from Slate article

    It’s a huge pendulum swing in less than a decade: In 2004, literally every song that topped the Hot 100 was by a person of color. This year, black artists had only featured roles. As Ann mentioned, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis were supported by Wanz on “Thrift Shop” and Ray Dalton on “Can’t Hold Us”; rapper T.I. and 2013 MVP Pharrell supported Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines”; and Barbadian pop queen Rihanna is supporting Eminem on our current No. 1, “The Monster.” We should place an asterisk next to half-Filipino, half–Puerto Rican Bruno Mars, who topped the big chart twice this year, with “Locked Out of Heaven” and “When I Was Your Man”—but neither one was an R&B/hip-hop radio hit. (While we’re discussing R&B appropriation and the monoculture, Bruno’s all-around best 2013 single—the Top Five hit “Treasure”—was a direct homage to the sound and even the look of “P.Y.T.”-era Michael Jackson.)

    That’s just the track record of African-Americans on the all-genre Hot 100; in a way, the R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart is even more surreal: It was topped by white acts 44 out of 52 weeks this year. In large part, that’s due to a controversial change Billboard made to the R&B/hip-hop chart at the end of 2012 that essentially makes it a condensed version of the Hot 100, rendering the chart near-useless to 🤬 fans of black music. The fact that Billboard, in essence, gave up on tracking the core R&B/hip-hop audience speaks volumes about the industry’s priorities in the digital era.

    So that leaves the question: Why? Why is there this drift away from black visibility in our music? Not to be too grand about it, but my honest opinion is that it’s of a piece with what Ta-Nehisi Coates would call the myth of a post-racial America. Music fans are playing out an unironic version of Stephen Colbert’s joke about not seeing color—we’re cool with the idea that authentic rhythmic music can now come from anyone, and yet somehow, when the data is compiled about what we’re all buying and streaming, the Timberlakes and Matherses and Macklemores keep winding up atop the stack, ahead of the Miguels and J. Coles.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_music_club/features/2013/music_club_2013/the_rock_hall_of_fame_and_the_billboard_hot_100_where_were_the_black_acts.html


    I dunno what to make of it. Hip Hop is being dumb down but I'm fearful history is repeating itself

    I think people that think like this are thinking way too much into it. Not saying that I don't see a pattern, but it's not doomsday. I said this a few times on here, but Elvis isn't solely responsible for white people taking rock n roll. It was a slow decade and a half process, which culminated when Jimi Hendrix died. He was the greatest rock artist of that time, possibly ever. Imagine the moves he would've made if he was alive.

    As far as hip hop and Black people in music are concerned, we gotta get on our job. White people "taking over" isn't anything new. Celine Dion was shittin on the charts for like 10 years straight in a hip hop dominated world... and still didn't have 🤬 on Whitney Houston. Labels have particular plans for particular artists, and what you see is those plans coming to fruition. Phyllis Hyman could've been Whitney Houston, but she turned it down cuz she knew what time it was. She'd be too restricted from her own sound. Hip hop artists don't really plan 🤬 out like that, they just follow templates. They restrict themselves to club songs, girl songs, or street songs. That only gives you like a 4-5 year shelf life unless you decide to think outside the box.

    2004 looked like that cuz hip hop was dominant that year. But now hip hop is run by spineless 🤬 that would do anything for a check. It's not being taken over by white people, it's being taken over by greedy people who just happen to be mostly white. Puff is the true cancer of hip hop if there is one, and he already set the groundwork for the fuckery in 97, so his job is done. The question shouldn't be "how can Black people be dominant again?". we automatically lose if we think like that. We should be focusing on how to shift the power to the people's hands. We know more than the labels anyway.

    106 and Park and TRL was pretty much an exact replica of Billboard. If they didn't vote you on any of those shows, 🤬 your life and music. Now, even with Twitter and the internet, the labels don't know 🤬 cuz they're too busy 🤬 artists in the ass to actually sit down and talk to people. As much as cats on here say they don't wanna hear that rappity rap 🤬 ... there's a reason why Macklemore, K Dot, Jay, Drake and Em sell, but dudes like French, Future, Chief Keef and these dudes can be all over mainstream media and radio, and not be able to sell a million records combined. They 🤬 suck at rapping.

    Hip hop is coming back, it's just a matter of when and who's gonna be a part of it. Articles like this shows a lack of faith in some people. That mentality is gonna leave people shut out from infinite possibilities we already have. People don't understand that hip hop is moving in a different direction, away from mainstream influence. Joey Badass and them are platinum in the streets with barely a record deal. These dudes are being listened to, they're just not getting paid for their music or advertised by the media. If money and attention is what you want from this game, then yeah... be VERY afraid of white people taking over. But very soon there will be no representation of hip hop in the mainstream, and corporate America and those people writing these articles and predicting a doomsday will be talking to themselves while everyone else is partaking in something they no longer have control of. Hip hop lives in the underground, and from the lyricists to the party starters to the social commentators, it's doing great.


    Best post since I been on here.
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wild Self wrote: »
    The question we need to be asking: WHEN did the decline start and WHO is merely responsible for bringing in the 🤬 ? We all know the execs in power funded it but from an artist standpoint..WHO?

    When people loved the NWA lifestyle over PE.

    Good answer..I believe that too..
  • Meta_Conscious
    Meta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentMembers Posts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NWA sounds like rocket scientists compared to todays "gangster" horseshit
  • Meta_Conscious
    Meta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentMembers Posts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    so u can't tell the difference between articulate cats like Ice Cube and mush mouf illiterate southern trap 🤬 like Gucci Mane?
    cuthtebullshit
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stopitfive wrote: »
    NWA sounds like rocket scientists compared to todays "gangster" horseshit
    True but at the same time NWA fueled the nihilism and violent narratives on a mainstream level..the same with Scarface/Geto Boys but at least they had some balance and depth to balance the nihilism and violent.

    Public Enemy counteracted NWA with the Black Nationalist/Black consciousness theme..but you also had KRS One with Stop The Violence and every emcee that repped Islamic/5 Percenter knowledge in their rhymes. Cube no doubt converted after leaving NWA and did his first two solos, his second joint had that perfect balance of gangsta/ NOI in it, but Dre, Eazy, Ren and Yella took it to another level with the second album..and it caught quicker commercially than PE or any other of those conscious artists that came out back then. Add that with The Chronic and it took off from there..
  • Meta_Conscious
    Meta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentMembers Posts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Two totally different rappers and it doesn't take a genius or a 30 year to know the clear difference. How you're even comparing the two in the first place shows your own lack of depth.



    Maybe you're just not as smart as u think u r. Maybe the people you're shittin on are smarter than you and u just havent realized it yet.


    Being a little humble does help from time to time

    the 🤬 are u talking about?
    NWA were the Gangsta rappers of their era... Gucci is the gangster rapper of this era... thats the comparison...
    is that hard to follow some how?
  • Meta_Conscious
    Meta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentMembers Posts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stopitfive wrote: »
    NWA sounds like rocket scientists compared to todays "gangster" horseshit

  • ScottTrippin
    ScottTrippin Members Posts: 12
    NWA had true to life concepts, that actually taught me something as a kid...
  • Bazz-B
    Bazz-B Reaching For Success The Dirty SouthMembers Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really disagree.
  • Wild Self
    Wild Self Members Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stopitfive wrote: »
    NWA sounds like rocket scientists compared to todays "gangster" horseshit
    True but at the same time NWA fueled the nihilism and violent narratives on a mainstream level..the same with Scarface/Geto Boys but at least they had some balance and depth to balance the nihilism and violent.

    Public Enemy counteracted NWA with the Black Nationalist/Black consciousness theme..but you also had KRS One with Stop The Violence and every emcee that repped Islamic/5 Percenter knowledge in their rhymes. Cube no doubt converted after leaving NWA and did his first two solos, his second joint had that perfect balance of gangsta/ NOI in it, but Dre, Eazy, Ren and Yella took it to another level with the second album..and it caught quicker commercially than PE or any other of those conscious artists that came out back then. Add that with The Chronic and it took off from there..


    At least you saw it. People loved that gangsta lifestyle back in the early 90s Cali. Kinda like how people love the trap music of ATL nowadays, with the fast money, strippers, and all.
  • NoCompetition
    NoCompetition Members Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2013
    of course.. some people believe there is really no more talent left.. it's because the crakkas is mocking the black race we always believed in the chosen ones and they are trying to deceive the world that all the chosen ones are selling out, so now they are the chosen ones.


    FYI they don't like 🤬 or 🤬 lovers..."

    Yeah man. Nobody give a fck tho. We still listen to what we want. The thing about the 90s and earlier 2000s was mostly everybody was in the same "gangsta" box. Now its way more open. I have no complaints about music today because i listen to what i like. And its always been new songs to add. Bottom line, nobody care when that song come on. People in a club or ridin around just go by the feeling and sound.
  • hiphop12345
    hiphop12345 Members Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2013
    Face just a bitter hating ass NY'er.

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  • Ear2DaSt
    Ear2DaSt STREET MILITARY till Infinity !!!! Members Posts: 10,480 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks to Face Houston is respected!
  • S2J
    S2J Members Posts: 28,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ear2DaSt wrote: »
    Thanks to Face The South is respected!

    Fixed.
  • Ear2DaSt
    Ear2DaSt STREET MILITARY till Infinity !!!! Members Posts: 10,480 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityMembers Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    I wonder why he move from Houston to New York

    I'm wondering this too
  • Mr.LV
    Mr.LV Members Posts: 14,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    🤬 been happening for years.
  • Ear2DaSt
    Ear2DaSt STREET MILITARY till Infinity !!!! Members Posts: 10,480 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    NY rappers aint in Texas!
    All the Legends from there!
    Face knows rap came from New York!
  • FucktheIC
    FucktheIC Members Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He's just listening to the wrong music. Let's not act like Wu Tang were 🤬 ' philosophers.

    There's just as much dumb 🤬 on the radio now as there was in the 90's. Actin' like "how do you want it," and "shimmy shimmy ya," were expanding minds. 🤬 outta here.
  • Ear2DaSt
    Ear2DaSt STREET MILITARY till Infinity !!!! Members Posts: 10,480 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No f#ckin way..
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FucktheIC wrote: »
    He's just listening to the wrong music. Let's not act like Wu Tang were 🤬 ' philosophers.

    There's just as much dumb 🤬 on the radio now as there was in the 90's. Actin' like "how do you want it," and "shimmy shimmy ya," were expanding minds. 🤬 outta here.

    🤬 off with this 🤬 .

    what about " keep your head up"
    and " cream". and wu tang spit 5 percenter philosophy
  • zombie
    zombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rza wrote a 🤬 philosophy book
  • Meta_Conscious
    Meta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentMembers Posts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Telling street stories in an artful and meaningful way >>> rapping about ignorant 🤬 to glorify and profit off it.
    I hate when 🤬 ignore the difference