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is this the end of the 5.56 round?
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Always wanted a M4 or a M4A1. Top 5 Rifle
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When you're in the army and you're about to go do some battle do you get to pick which kinds of guns you use like in a video game or do you just gotta deal with what they give you or what you're trained in?
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I aint reading that... so whats the next move?
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Black_Samson wrote: »
no it aint...Got Em Shook wrote: »Always wanted a M4 or a M4A1. Top 5 Rifle
just looks cool...
the 🤬 is finicky as 🤬 ... a speck of dust should not have the capability to take down a rifle...
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the M4's not really the problem; all things considered, it IS a good rifle. the issue, really, is that the platform can be tweaked to be better at what you want it to do. there's a reason why all these next-generation AR/M16-style rifles (for lack of a better term that "next-generation") do things like switch out the barrel for a heavier one (looking at you, LWRC, HK, Adcor, etc) and the whole "is piston > DI" thing.
IMHO, the whole "5.56 lacks killing power" is the debatable claim. it DOES lack the range of a larger round, but that should be self-evident.
also... what's wrong with how this is written: "Retired Army Maj. Gen. Robert Scales ... said its 5.56-caliber bullet is too small and the gas-piston firing system is prone to stoppage. He said better weapons — the German Heckler-Koch G36 and Russian AK-74 (a version of the venerable AK-47) — use superior firing systems." hint: G36 fires 5.56, AK74 fires 5.45, and i'm pretty sure they're rocking pistons. and i am not sure who the 🤬 is spraying down armored vehicles expecting results.
side note: SCAR = "meh"
really, the weapons family is a top 5 rifle. totally get it if one prefers something else, but what 5 rifles beat it out?Black_Samson wrote: »no it aint...
just looks cool...
i mean, the 416 is cool (and the MR556 legal despite the fact that my fascist governor got AR15s banned)... but let's be honest, what did they do? went piston over DI (despite whatever the 🤬 Scales was talking about) and slapped a heavier barrel on it. i would still call it "essentially" the same gun. everything else is ergonomics and window dressing. see also: M27/IAR.
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wasn't it just like 2yrs ago DOD had their lil competition to find a replacement for the m4, 🤬 I remember seeing it on the cover of the army times, and anyways m4's are garbage, getting into a firefight and having to perform sports or pops is the worst
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damn so y'all just gonna ignore a civilian?
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Black_Samson wrote: »www.washingtontimes.com...The M4 has brought consistent complaints about at least three shortfalls: At a 250-yard effective-🤬 distance, it lacks range; its 5.56 mm round lacks killing power; and the gun requires constant maintenance — cleaning and lubricating — in sandy conditions or is prone to jamming. Soldiers also complain that the magazine dents easily and the springs break.
i hate it. that rifle is just for looks. and agreed 5.56 is horrible unless you put 2 too the head which i doubt a civie knows anything about
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larger caliber also means you're carrying less rounds, which theoretically was the argumentBlack_Samson wrote: »the 5.56 is not the issue. a larger caliber means more costly training rounds.
plus, to be fair, some of the arguments in the article --which go all over the place-- ARE saying "the problem is 5.56"
right, but we're still coming back to my point: HK416s and the rest of the next-gen variants are, well, variants of the M16 family. so there's a point where i don't think you can bash it to death as a general concept and then roll with the 416 as your choice. i have no doubt it's a better rifle (a little out of a price range i can justify for myself right now, but hey), but that's arguing the 416 > M4, not that the M16 family sucks it in all respects.Black_Samson wrote: »are there better variants? 🤬 yeah...
nahBlack_Samson wrote: »lets all agree that these guys should be going into battle with SCARs....
now, if we're saying M4s should be phased out in favor of better variations, i completely agree.
if you're asking me if i personally am in the military, correct, i am not. if you're asking me if my argument is based on me 🤬 around with an AR15 in my yard... not so much.Black_Samson wrote: »@janklow are you speaking from a civilians perspective?
note: hating on AR18s eliminates people from my list of "people with well-reasoned opinions"
what's really funny though is that you have an article quoting a military guy that throws out some straight-up 🤬 . so i would hope we're basing this on our logic. which is not to say we all have to agree. honestly, there's a point with almost any gun where you like what you like and you hate what you hate. and 🤬 , if you have a bad experience with something, you're not going to forget it.Sneak Dissa wrote: »damn so y'all just gonna ignore a civilian?
going to be honest: all this sounds like in the absence of a reasoned argument is big internet talkpeterpiffin wrote: »i hate it. that rifle is just for looks. and agreed 5.56 is horrible unless you put 2 too the head which i doubt a civie knows anything about -
dont you mean 7.62?
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the M4 is a superior carbine
that's why the technology behind it has been used by the US military for approx the last 40 years
the problem with the weapon is the maintenance involved and the fact that the M4 is used for pretty much every mission when there are better weapons that could be used for different situations
the M4 shouldn't get as much criticism when most of the shortcomings are because of the 5.56 round -
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