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Truth About Mass Incarceration In The United States

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edited April 2014 in The Social Lounge
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  • Meta_ConsciousMeta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentMembers Posts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah
  • JonnyRoccITJonnyRoccIT . . . Player Shit ONLY . ZONE 6 Atlanta, GAMembers Posts: 14,389 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ain't even have to watch to know it's all about Money .

    "Break the Law, become a Slave ." basically
  • jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Read the Michelle Alexander book on the subject
  • The IconoclastThe Iconoclast harbinger of existential angst Members Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, the prison–industrial complex is at work here. It's such a pervasive and dehumanizing construct. It's the underlying reason our justice system cares so little about recidivism rates compared to other countries.

    Just another institution purposely design to marginalize and cultivate social stratification. Then they wonder why some of our communities have a hard time breaking the cycle of poverty smh.
  • In Your Moms RoomIn Your Moms Room 302Members Posts: 7,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    More rehabs less prisons.
  • LUClENLUClEN Absence makes the heart grow fonder of someone else Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    liberal propaganda
  • mryounggunmryounggun Loading up my Grey Matter Glock Members Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is what happens when you privatize prisons.
  • stackmaster 313stackmaster 313 DetroitMembers Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Its clearly a result of the war on drugs aka the black an brown round up
  • Meta_ConsciousMeta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentMembers Posts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Elrawd wrote: »
    liberal propaganda
    O really?
  • High RevolutionaryHigh Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mryounggun wrote: »
    This is what happens when you privatize prisons.

    It's a red herring to simply blame privatization/capitalism.

    It's collusion from the state to the federal level.
  • twatgettatwatgetta Members Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    old news is old.
  • mryounggunmryounggun Loading up my Grey Matter Glock Members Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mryounggun wrote: »
    This is what happens when you privatize prisons.

    It's a red herring to simply blame privatization/capitalism.

    It's collusion from the state to the federal level.

    My issue with that statement is that it implies that it's always a higher-level thing. It's not. Sometimes it's just 🤬 like this...


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/mark-ciavarella-jr_n_924324.html

    But I know what you mean.
  • jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Elrawd wrote: »
    liberal propaganda

    I hope you are being sarcastic.
  • mryounggunmryounggun Loading up my Grey Matter Glock Members Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jono wrote: »
    Elrawd wrote: »
    liberal propaganda

    I hope you are being sarcastic.

    He's not.
  • LUClENLUClEN Absence makes the heart grow fonder of someone else Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jono wrote: »
    Elrawd wrote: »
    liberal propaganda

    I hope you are being sarcastic.

    You just hate democracy
  • High RevolutionaryHigh Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    mryounggun wrote: »
    mryounggun wrote: »
    This is what happens when you privatize prisons.

    It's a red herring to simply blame privatization/capitalism.

    It's collusion from the state to the federal level.

    My issue with that statement is that it implies that it's always a higher-level thing. It's not. Sometimes it's just 🤬 like this...


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/mark-ciavarella-jr_n_924324.html

    But I know what you mean.

    That's my point though; collusion. The real culprit is the greedy judge who is in a much higher position of power and is able to rule verdicts and directly affect peoples lives. The prison owners aren't 🤬 either but the onus is ultimately on the judge to sign off on things.

    And who knows people in that circle may have known about the 🤬 judge for years and didn't act on it until some kid's family or families with money finally put the screws to him and he had to be a sacrificial lamb of sorts.
  • mryounggunmryounggun Loading up my Grey Matter Glock Members Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mryounggun wrote: »
    mryounggun wrote: »
    This is what happens when you privatize prisons.

    It's a red herring to simply blame privatization/capitalism.

    It's collusion from the state to the federal level.

    My issue with that statement is that it implies that it's always a higher-level thing. It's not. Sometimes it's just 🤬 like this...


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/mark-ciavarella-jr_n_924324.html

    But I know what you mean.

    That's my point though; collusion. The real culprit is the greedy judge who is in a much higher position of power and is able to rule verdicts and directly affect peoples lives. The prison owners aren't 🤬 either but the onus is ultimately on the judge to sign off on things.

    And who knows people in that circle may have known about the 🤬 judge for years and didn't act on it until some kid's family or families with money finally put the screws to him and he had to be a sacrificial lamb of sorts.

    Eh, I can't agree with that. I'd say that the fact that an environment and system in place are very susceptible of this sort of thing is just as problematic - if not more - than the poor moral fiber of the judge.
  • jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mryounggun wrote: »
    mryounggun wrote: »
    mryounggun wrote: »
    This is what happens when you privatize prisons.

    It's a red herring to simply blame privatization/capitalism.

    It's collusion from the state to the federal level.

    My issue with that statement is that it implies that it's always a higher-level thing. It's not. Sometimes it's just 🤬 like this...


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/mark-ciavarella-jr_n_924324.html

    But I know what you mean.

    That's my point though; collusion. The real culprit is the greedy judge who is in a much higher position of power and is able to rule verdicts and directly affect peoples lives. The prison owners aren't 🤬 either but the onus is ultimately on the judge to sign off on things.

    And who knows people in that circle may have known about the 🤬 judge for years and didn't act on it until some kid's family or families with money finally put the screws to him and he had to be a sacrificial lamb of sorts.

    Eh, I can't agree with that. I'd say that the fact that an environment and system in place are very susceptible of this sort of thing is just as problematic - if not more - than the poor moral fiber of the judge.

    Yep. It's a simple supply & demand model. He supplied because there was a demand.

    Take the profit motive out and this becomes purely an issue of states and other localities and their budgets.

    Prisons and everything that come with it are huge public burdens, this is how private prisons rationalize their existence in the first place, if you leave the govt with no choice but to shrink or close them then they will have to. Private prisons are saving in a sense the prison-industrial complex, because it promised to make incarceration cheaper...even though that had also proven false.

    In any event private prisons aren't solely to blame but they are a reason why this system exists.

  • High RevolutionaryHigh Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    So the judge is simply supplying a demand? That doesn't speak very highly of our government officials.

    And there are profit motives within the public sector as well via things like misappropriation of tax dollars which has far less stigma than it should.

    Taking out private industry isn't going to eliminate people's greed and propensity to get over.
  • High RevolutionaryHigh Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also take into mind how people get into these prisons in the first place whether they're public or private, 3 strike laws, non-violent offenses, drug charges (especially) this is all legislation and has nothing to do with private industry.

    Portugal legalizes drugs and drug use actually goes down yet we still got cats out here in America getting busted for dime bags.

    Like I said a red herring.
  • mryounggunmryounggun Loading up my Grey Matter Glock Members Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You're clearly missing the point.
  • High RevolutionaryHigh Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    I got the point. Private prisons often gives judges/government officials incentives to give out harsher sentences thus driving up incarceration. It's a popular liberal talking point.

    I'm saying ultimately private prisons are not a big reason as to why America's incarceration rates is so high. But it fits into the anti-capitalism rhetoric that's so popular now.
  • Meta_ConsciousMeta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentMembers Posts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol.... The mechanism driving incarceration rates is complex, but privatization is in there...
  • PurrPurr Evil Chuck Season. Jumpman jumpman Jumpman dat girl up to something!!!Members Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Word to Michael Jordan
  • desertrain10desertrain10 Members Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I got the point. Private prisons often gives judges/government officials incentives to give out harsher sentences thus driving up incarceration. It's a popular liberal talking point.

    fixed that for ya

    i have nothing against contracting some services to certain private organizations and this isn't just some liberal assault on capitalism, it's just common sense...

    if a prison is run for profit then it will be in the best interest of the business to keep prisoners in the system for as long as possible. this will always be at odds with the traditional goals of the criminal justice system, which is to rehabilitate prisoners

    and considering it's human nature to place self interest above all other concern, privatizing prisons fosters an environment where human greed can be exploited for the gain of a select few at the expense of many, especially the poor and blks

    bad policy, the war on drugs, racism, criminalization of poverty, etc has imprisoned many but let's not act like the lobbyists from the private prison industry aren't using their money and influence to curtail prison reform efforts as well as lobbying to keep/put even more people behind bars

    don't be disingenuous
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