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Why Is There Even a Question as to What Ancient Egyptians Looked Like?

Maximus RexMaximus Rex Pulchritudo in Conspectu RegisThe EmpreyanMembers Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭✭✭
We don't question what Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato'em looked like. There's no question as to what Caesar, Marcus Antonius, and Cicero looked like. These no question as to what the Chinese antiquity looked liked. The same goes for Incas, Aztecs, and Mayans. However, when were talking about ancient Egypt there's suddenly a debate as to what they they looked like, despite the fact they left behind sculptures and paintings of themselves. Then there's DNA proof as to where the ancient Egyptian linage is traced to.

Is it because the Greeks got a lot of their knowledge from the libraries of Alexandria and that would mean that Western culture would ultimately trace it's origins to a society of highly civilized and technologically advanced (for their time,) African people. As I stated in http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/524342/the-reason-why-well-probably-never-see-black-actors-as-leads-in-biblical-epics#latest, it because whites can't deal with the fact that first practitioners of monotheism, Judaism, and by extension Christianity, were Africans. Is it because if these things were established as fact, then it completely expose the notion of white supremacy for the farce that it is?
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  • zombiezombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    because europeans have the world on smash and everybody else is feeling insecure especially black people
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    well, i think there's legit confusion with people who fail to understand how long Egypt's been around, how the population's changed, and figuring what was done then. it's basically a white country NOW, so it's hard for some people to process it wasn't always like that. plus the whole Ptolemaic dynasty thing.

    and then you have the "white guys want to see white guys in movies" argument that i think you're referencing there.

    what i'd really like to see is internet arguments that go like "you know, the events in question happened in year X and at that time, the population looked like: (insert picture of a black guy)" instead of devolving into a "THEY WERE BLACK" "THEY WEREN'T IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS" back and forth that convinces no one of anything.

    I agree. I don't think it's so simple to say ALL the ancient Egyptians were Black. Although of course, there were many powerful Black Egyptians in ancient days and at least 5 Pharoahs were Black African
  • Ajackson17Ajackson17 On the shoulders of Giants and Elders in history UniverseMembers Posts: 22,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All the way to the Assyrians and a few when the hyskos were in power. That's ay least 2300 years in power and then the pre dynastic period. That's a few thousand years of black leadership.
  • CracceRCracceR ૐ☯★♑☮⌘ Members Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dont forget about them green egyptians

    egypt1.gif
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2014
    CracceR wrote: »
    dont forget about them green egyptians

    egypt1.gif

    LOL wow I didn't know those existed
  • DarcSkiesDarcSkies TRUST IN ALLAH BUT TIE UP YOUR CAMEL Members Posts: 13,791 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Racism.
  • Big JamesBig James Members Posts: 345 ✭✭✭✭
    They looked Dominican.
  • AlkinduzAlkinduz No Prep, No Glory Members Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Egypt isnt a 'white' country now Jank, yes, there are lightskinned/meditaranean looking people there, but also loads of Brown skinned and darker skinned people.

    its like saying Brazil is a white country.
  • LUClENLUClEN Absence makes the heart grow fonder of someone else Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    well, i think there's legit confusion with people who fail to understand how long Egypt's been around, how the population's changed, and figuring what was done then. it's basically a white country NOW, so it's hard for some people to process it wasn't always like that. plus the whole Ptolemaic dynasty thing.

    and then you have the "white guys want to see white guys in movies" argument that i think you're referencing there.

    what i'd really like to see is internet arguments that go like "you know, the events in question happened in year X and at that time, the population looked like: (insert picture of a black guy)" instead of devolving into a "THEY WERE BLACK" "THEY WEREN'T IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS" back and forth that convinces no one of anything.

    Egypt is not a White country, it's an Arab country
  • wharwhar Members Posts: 347 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2014
    About 6000 years ago the Sahara returns to being a desert. This isolates North Africa from the rest of Africa. From that point onwards gene flow from the Levant begins overwhelm the small trickle of gene flow from south of Egypt. Since the predominant gene flow never changed for the last 5 or 6 thousand years it is difficult to believe that the people the built the pyramids looked much different than the people walking around Cairo today.
  • zombiezombie Members Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    whar wrote: »
    About 6000 years ago the Sahara returns to being a desert. This isolates North Africa from the rest of Africa. From that point onwards gene flow from the Levant begins overwhelm the small trickle of gene flow from south of Egypt. Since the predominant gene flow never changed for the last 5 or 6 thousand years it is difficult to believe that the people the built the pyramids looked much different than the people walking around Cairo today.

    typical white 🤬 answer

    the eyptians themselves said they originate from the land of punt which is an areas encompassing modern day northern ethopia parts of sudan and Eritrea
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2014
    Trashboat wrote: »
    janklow wrote: »
    well, i think there's legit confusion with people who fail to understand how long Egypt's been around, how the population's changed, and figuring what was done then. it's basically a white country NOW, so it's hard for some people to process it wasn't always like that. plus the whole Ptolemaic dynasty thing.

    and then you have the "white guys want to see white guys in movies" argument that i think you're referencing there.

    what i'd really like to see is internet arguments that go like "you know, the events in question happened in year X and at that time, the population looked like: (insert picture of a black guy)" instead of devolving into a "THEY WERE BLACK" "THEY WEREN'T IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS" back and forth that convinces no one of anything.

    Egypt is not a White country, it's an Arab country

    Janklow will refer to the CIA Handbook which considers Arabs and even Indians Caucasian....I never agreed with that classification but I'm sure that's what he'll say
  • Ajackson17Ajackson17 On the shoulders of Giants and Elders in history UniverseMembers Posts: 22,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Egyptians are closer to Ugandans than anyone. Ramses only had 0.01% of Arab blood
  • Focal PointFocal Point Kushite descent... wandering child from Meru of Old TrentonMembers Posts: 16,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Trashboat wrote: »
    janklow wrote: »
    well, i think there's legit confusion with people who fail to understand how long Egypt's been around, how the population's changed, and figuring what was done then. it's basically a white country NOW, so it's hard for some people to process it wasn't always like that. plus the whole Ptolemaic dynasty thing.

    and then you have the "white guys want to see white guys in movies" argument that i think you're referencing there.

    what i'd really like to see is internet arguments that go like "you know, the events in question happened in year X and at that time, the population looked like: (insert picture of a black guy)" instead of devolving into a "THEY WERE BLACK" "THEY WEREN'T IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS" back and forth that convinces no one of anything.

    Egypt is not a White country, it's an Arab country

    Arabs are considered Caucasian and it's an Arab country now... not way in Ancient times.
  • LUClENLUClEN Absence makes the heart grow fonder of someone else Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Trashboat wrote: »
    janklow wrote: »
    well, i think there's legit confusion with people who fail to understand how long Egypt's been around, how the population's changed, and figuring what was done then. it's basically a white country NOW, so it's hard for some people to process it wasn't always like that. plus the whole Ptolemaic dynasty thing.

    and then you have the "white guys want to see white guys in movies" argument that i think you're referencing there.

    what i'd really like to see is internet arguments that go like "you know, the events in question happened in year X and at that time, the population looked like: (insert picture of a black guy)" instead of devolving into a "THEY WERE BLACK" "THEY WEREN'T IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS" back and forth that convinces no one of anything.

    Egypt is not a White country, it's an Arab country

    Arabs are considered Caucasian and it's an Arab country now... not way in Ancient times.

    There are researchers who claim that the dna evidence we have indicates that the demographics weren't that different back then
  • Ajackson17Ajackson17 On the shoulders of Giants and Elders in history UniverseMembers Posts: 22,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Claims....Show the DNA and I'll show the dna.
  • AlkinduzAlkinduz No Prep, No Glory Members Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The sahara isolating North Africa from the rest of the continent is non sense, many people( Saharans lmao) live in the desert and there has been cultural/tribal mixing back and forth for milenia...

    its just that the Sahara is like what? Similair size as the US? Africa is huge, ancient for our kind, so human diversity is grand out there.

    those light skinned berbers in morocco, algeria etc, are just as much native to the continent as the dark skinned Zhulus from South Africa.
  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    edited December 2014
    Alkinduz wrote: »
    Egypt isnt a 'white' country now Jank, yes, there are lightskinned/meditaranean looking people there, but also loads of Brown skinned and darker skinned people.
    its like saying Brazil is a white country.
    two things: one, a country can have a sizable number of minorities and still be generically considered a white or black or whatever country.

    two, Brazil is a very convenient country to pick, because while it's almost mostly white (47.7% white), it's MOSTLY white/mulatto (43.1% mulatto; 90.8% infected with white). pretty white after all! on the other hand, if your country is "Egyptian 99.6%," then yeah, it's a white country.
    Trashboat wrote: »
    Egypt is not a White country, it's an Arab country
    yeah, Arabs are white, so if it's an Arab country, it's a white country.
    Janklow will refer to the CIA Handbook which considers Arabs and even Indians Caucasian....I never agreed with that classification but I'm sure that's what he'll say
    i mean, i'll source the numbers from there because i want the percentages clearly stated, but Arabs are white people, guys. they're not black and they're not Asian. they're 🤬 -ass crackers who are trying to fly under the radar because they're mostly not stereotypical Nordic white folks.

    DON'T BE FOOLED, PEOPLE

    and yes, Indians are Caucasians too. it's time everyone came to terms with the horrible truth about Indians.
  • Ajackson17Ajackson17 On the shoulders of Giants and Elders in history UniverseMembers Posts: 22,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Aryans in the north are Caucasians.
  • LUClENLUClEN Absence makes the heart grow fonder of someone else Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    Alkinduz wrote: »
    Egypt isnt a 'white' country now Jank, yes, there are lightskinned/meditaranean looking people there, but also loads of Brown skinned and darker skinned people.
    its like saying Brazil is a white country.
    two things: one, a country can have a sizable number of minorities and still be generically considered a white or black or whatever country.

    two, Brazil is a very convenient country to pick, because while it's almost mostly white (47.7% white), it's MOSTLY white/mulatto (43.1% mulatto; 90.8% infected with white). pretty white after all! on the other hand, if your country is "Egyptian 99.6%," then yeah, it's a white country.
    Trashboat wrote: »
    Egypt is not a White country, it's an Arab country
    yeah, Arabs are white, so if it's an Arab country, it's a white country.
    Janklow will refer to the CIA Handbook which considers Arabs and even Indians Caucasian....I never agreed with that classification but I'm sure that's what he'll say
    i mean, i'll source the numbers from there because i want the percentages clearly stated, but Arabs are white people, guys. they're not black and they're not Asian. they're 🤬 -ass crackers who are trying to fly under the radar because they're mostly not stereotypical Nordic white folks.

    DON'T BE FOOLED, PEOPLE

    and yes, Indians are Caucasians too. it's time everyone came to terms with the horrible truth about Indians.

    What are you using to measure whiteness?
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