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The curb stomp is NOT a safe move....

jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unityMembers Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
BUT that's why I like it.

I've been pretty quiet on the controversy surrounding whether the move should be banned or not, not only because I'm not totally sure it is banned but because WWE often says moves are banned only for guys to use them on "special occasions" later on.

WWE has banned Shooting Star presses (which certain guys were allowed to use afterwards like Evan Bourne), they banned 450 splashes (which certain guys have been allowed to use like Justin Gabriel ), piledrivers (pretty much limited to Undertaker, Kane doesn't even do it anymore) and a variety of other things like head kicks.

It just a fact that some moves are dangerous and that people (primarily children) will imitate the move and hurt themselves and they can't protect guys from everything concussions and broken necks are just a fact of the business.

I think they really should just chalk it up to the game and let him keep doing it because the move looks quite vicious and that's something that's actually unique about the hold.

Think about all the top guys in the history business, like ever, which one has a vicious looking finisher? None except the Tombstone and maybe Jake Robert's DDT when it was first introduced. None of them look that crazy, they all look pretty safe. HHH's Pedigree is dangerous, we know this for a fact because he did break someone's neck with it and he was able to modify the move afterwards. Rollins' curb stomp is already modified from Paul Birchill's version. So knowing that for the most part dangerous looking finishers aren't the norm for top guys we can ask this question:

So is this their way of saying Rollins will be that next big top guy so he needs a safer looking hold? ....Maybe or is this the WWE trying to handicap Rollins? It's not likely that WWE would intentionally handicap the current WWE champion so that's nonsense. I'm sure he already has another move (not the one he used on RAW) lined up.

So I like the move, especially for a heel...it's great but it is dangerous and it's a small change to make IF it means something better later on for Rollins career. We already know he has the Phoenix Splash which is more likely to be used when he turns babyface so he doesn't necessarily NEED the curb stomp and it could very well be used on "special occasions" or just more dirtsheet nonsense. Regardless which it is it's not really that big of a deal in the overall product.

We as fans may scoff at this but look at the larger picture; WWE is currently and has been in the past sued by talents who got concussions while in the ring, now most of those cases have been dismissed...rightfully so but just going to court behind that stuff is costly AND it's a public image nightmare. I dont really see it as being much different than what the NFL does. You can't totally eliminate danger but you can limit it and they have a responsibility to do so.

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  •   Colin$mackabi$h Colin$mackabi$h Smartass Snatch Money ave.Members Posts: 16,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    🤬 suplex city could 🤬 you up worse than the curb stomp.
  • Peezy_JenkinsPeezy_Jenkins Sion Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 33,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    might as well ban pro wrestling bruh. 90% of the moves are dangerous for children and those idiots suing wwe are acting like they got trained thinking the ring was a mattress. like u said "they can't protect guys from everything concussions and broken necks are just a fact of the business". so they can ban moves all they want, when a better solution may be lessening amount of days on the road so these 🤬 dont get sick and 🤬 and develop chronic injuries. either way, these 🤬 knew what they signed up for. as long as seth or anyone else isnt being wreckless its all good. people never complain about moves like the flipping pile driver or moneymaker, but wwe's image is too soft for the curb stomp...smh
  • Smokey Tha BanditSmokey Tha Bandit NO FUCKS GIVEN Members Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭✭✭
    curb stomp is actually one of the safer moves, nobody has ever been hurt as far as I know...
  • jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    might as well ban pro wrestling bruh. 90% of the moves are dangerous for children and those idiots suing wwe are acting like they got trained thinking the ring was a mattress. like u said "they can't protect guys from everything concussions and broken necks are just a fact of the business". so they can ban moves all they want, when a better solution may be lessening amount of days on the road so these 🤬 dont get sick and 🤬 and develop chronic injuries. either way, these 🤬 knew what they signed up for. as long as seth or anyone else isnt being wreckless its all good. people never complain about moves like the flipping pile driver or moneymaker, but wwe's image is too soft for the curb stomp...smh

    A limited schedule didn't help the guys AJ injured with the Styles Clash. You can't eliminate danger but you limit it.

    If you want barbarity you can watch CZW where people are blowing themselves up, hitting each other with light fixtures and all types of nonsense.

    Now that's extreme sure but danger has a range and a level of necessity. Now while I don't think the curb stomp exceeds that, I understand it.

    WWE is a corporate entity and this is just one of those things they have to do to protect themselves from frivolous litigation. *shrugs*
    curb stomp is actually one of the safer moves, nobody has ever been hurt as far as I know...

    An ounce of prevention >> a pound of cure.

    What sense does it make to ban a move after someone is injured? That's like ignoring the danger of the move. It's negligent, once again they are a corporation.

    It's a kick to head & neck essentially. They could modify it to him stomping the BACK which would probably be preferred, but a foot to the neck probably isn't necessary nor does it change Rollins ability to perform.
  • Peezy_JenkinsPeezy_Jenkins Sion Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 33,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jono wrote: »
    might as well ban pro wrestling bruh. 90% of the moves are dangerous for children and those idiots suing wwe are acting like they got trained thinking the ring was a mattress. like u said "they can't protect guys from everything concussions and broken necks are just a fact of the business". so they can ban moves all they want, when a better solution may be lessening amount of days on the road so these 🤬 dont get sick and 🤬 and develop chronic injuries. either way, these 🤬 knew what they signed up for. as long as seth or anyone else isnt being wreckless its all good. people never complain about moves like the flipping pile driver or moneymaker, but wwe's image is too soft for the curb stomp...smh

    A limited schedule didn't help the guys AJ injured with the Styles Clash. You can't eliminate danger but you limit it.

    If you want barbarity you can watch CZW where people are blowing themselves up, hitting each other with light fixtures and all types of nonsense.

    Now that's extreme sure but danger has a range and a level of necessity. Now while I don't think the curb stomp exceeds that, I understand it.

    WWE is a corporate entity and this is just one of those things they have to do to protect themselves from frivolous litigation. *shrugs*
    curb stomp is actually one of the safer moves, nobody has ever been hurt as far as I know...

    An ounce of prevention >> a pound of cure.

    What sense does it make to ban a move after someone is injured? That's like ignoring the danger of the move. It's negligent, once again they are a corporation.

    It's a kick to head & neck essentially. They could modify it to him stomping the BACK which would probably be preferred, but a foot to the neck probably isn't necessary nor does it change Rollins ability to perform.

    theres danger in pretty much every move except maybe an irish whip and im not looking for barbarity, just wishing world wrestling entertainment would stop tryna become world entertainment lol. i get they gotta protect themselves but how much protection can banning the curb stomp do when on the next show cena takes a ddt and lands on his head, or swagger or miz take another unprotected trouble in paradise, or what if bray hits somebody with that cross body wrong? there are worse moves/situations than the curb stomp. hell a miscalculation on a phoenix splash could end a career. i agree with bolded but wwe has illogically done it and it is at the expense of they product ever since the pg era started. like u say danger has a range and level of necessity. imo neither the curb stomp, blood, or properly protected chair shots exceed that and u can protect in either of those situations. idk mane im just not seeing the justification
  • jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cena is inept most times.He hurt himself doing a hip toss, I wouldn't exactly use him as a good example.

    I think it's an unnecessary banning but I see their reasoning.

    You don't want some idiot 10 years from now blaming WWE for moves they took willingly. 98-99% of the guys Rollins will work with are functional at least and can probably take the move safe but all it really takes is 1...

    And you have:
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    botched-pedigree-o.gif
  • jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To be honest, I don't blame WWE much. I blame guys who come back after a time and claim that nobody was looking for them and let them take dangerous moves. 🤬 like Vito for instance.
  • silverfoxxsilverfoxx Sion Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 11,704 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Terrible finisher. Its very underwhelming
  • StoneColdMikeyStoneColdMikey mikeyismod CHITOWN THE BEST TOWNMembers, Moderators Posts: 33,543 Regulator
    I think someone actually got hurt that's why their banning it
  • Smokey Tha BanditSmokey Tha Bandit NO FUCKS GIVEN Members Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2015
    jono wrote: »
    might as well ban pro wrestling bruh. 90% of the moves are dangerous for children and those idiots suing wwe are acting like they got trained thinking the ring was a mattress. like u said "they can't protect guys from everything concussions and broken necks are just a fact of the business". so they can ban moves all they want, when a better solution may be lessening amount of days on the road so these 🤬 dont get sick and 🤬 and develop chronic injuries. either way, these 🤬 knew what they signed up for. as long as seth or anyone else isnt being wreckless its all good. people never complain about moves like the flipping pile driver or moneymaker, but wwe's image is too soft for the curb stomp...smh

    A limited schedule didn't help the guys AJ injured with the Styles Clash. You can't eliminate danger but you limit it.

    If you want barbarity you can watch CZW where people are blowing themselves up, hitting each other with light fixtures and all types of nonsense.

    Now that's extreme sure but danger has a range and a level of necessity. Now while I don't think the curb stomp exceeds that, I understand it.

    WWE is a corporate entity and this is just one of those things they have to do to protect themselves from frivolous litigation. *shrugs*
    curb stomp is actually one of the safer moves, nobody has ever been hurt as far as I know...

    An ounce of prevention >> a pound of cure.

    What sense does it make to ban a move after someone is injured? That's like ignoring the danger of the move. It's negligent, once again they are a corporation.

    It's a kick to head & neck essentially. They could modify it to him stomping the BACK which would probably be preferred, but a foot to the neck probably isn't necessary nor does it change Rollins ability to perform.

    you could say the same 🤬 about any damn move, lets just ban wrestling all together before someone gets killed or paralyzed... wait... lol
  • jonojono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think someone actually got hurt that's why their banning it

    I don't think so. It's a preemptive strike based primarily on them being sued a lot lately.
    jono wrote: »
    might as well ban pro wrestling bruh. 90% of the moves are dangerous for children and those idiots suing wwe are acting like they got trained thinking the ring was a mattress. like u said "they can't protect guys from everything concussions and broken necks are just a fact of the business". so they can ban moves all they want, when a better solution may be lessening amount of days on the road so these 🤬 dont get sick and 🤬 and develop chronic injuries. either way, these 🤬 knew what they signed up for. as long as seth or anyone else isnt being wreckless its all good. people never complain about moves like the flipping pile driver or moneymaker, but wwe's image is too soft for the curb stomp...smh

    A limited schedule didn't help the guys AJ injured with the Styles Clash. You can't eliminate danger but you limit it.

    If you want barbarity you can watch CZW where people are blowing themselves up, hitting each other with light fixtures and all types of nonsense.

    Now that's extreme sure but danger has a range and a level of necessity. Now while I don't think the curb stomp exceeds that, I understand it.

    WWE is a corporate entity and this is just one of those things they have to do to protect themselves from frivolous litigation. *shrugs*
    curb stomp is actually one of the safer moves, nobody has ever been hurt as far as I know...

    An ounce of prevention >> a pound of cure.

    What sense does it make to ban a move after someone is injured? That's like ignoring the danger of the move. It's negligent, once again they are a corporation.

    It's a kick to head & neck essentially. They could modify it to him stomping the BACK which would probably be preferred, but a foot to the neck probably isn't necessary nor does it change Rollins ability to perform.

    you could say the same 🤬 about any damn move, lets just ban wrestling all together before someone gets killed or paralyzed... wait... lol

    Freak accidents are actually much better than repeated damage with no after effects.

    It's just like when a boxer gets punch 🤬 . It's not because they got KO'd a lot, it's because of the repeated punches to the head.
  • LUClENLUClEN Absence makes the heart grow fonder of someone else Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that pedigree looked deadly
  • Max.Max. Members Posts: 33,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Trips killed that jobbee
  • blu197blu197 Members Posts: 6,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lmaoo RVD had to be high to damn near break his neck off that twist of fate
  • Trill Gate$Trill Gate$ Members Posts: 552 ✭✭✭✭
    blu197 wrote: »
    Lmaoo RVD had to be high to damn near break his neck off that twist of fate
    He sold the RKO the same way
  • dalyricalbanditdalyricalbandit Co-Owner Of AllhipHop.com, Super Moderator, Administrator, Moderator Members, Moderators Posts: 67,918 Regulator
    that jobber looks like a young HBK lol
  • mikelewismikelewis Members Posts: 603 ✭✭✭
    I assume that is why they got rid of Ambrose's 🤬 Deeds.

    Fact is, it was a terrible looking finisher and most likely they received complaints about the move and simply nipped the situation in the bud. However, the theatrics of that move for it to work is just awful.

    The new DDT-like finisher he has will suffice for now.
  • Recaptimus_Prime360Recaptimus_Prime360 Earned my Masters and Ph.d in Phat Booty-ology Members Posts: 64,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jono wrote: »
    Cena is inept most times.He hurt himself doing a hip toss, I wouldn't exactly use him as a good example.

    I think it's an unnecessary banning but I see their reasoning.

    You don't want some idiot 10 years from now blaming WWE for moves they took willingly. 98-99% of the guys Rollins will work with are functional at least and can probably take the move safe but all it really takes is 1...

    And you have:
    mHyCb.gif

    botched-pedigree-o.gif

    My GAWD! I still cringe every time I see that pedigree. Lol
  • TayGettem TayGettem Members Posts: 6,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jono wrote: »
    Cena is inept most times.He hurt himself doing a hip toss, I wouldn't exactly use him as a good example.

    I think it's an unnecessary banning but I see their reasoning.

    You don't want some idiot 10 years from now blaming WWE for moves they took willingly. 98-99% of the guys Rollins will work with are functional at least and can probably take the move safe but all it really takes is 1...

    And you have:
    mHyCb.gif

    botched-pedigree-o.gif

    That pedigree turned into a pile driver real quick
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