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Enough marches, time for action/retaliation AHH,what would U say if U had the mic

luke1733
luke1733 Members Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭
edited June 2015 in The Social Lounge
Open letter to the marching planner or whoever it is in charge of organizing the marches and controls who gets on the microphone.:
What good are the marches in 2015 vs what can be done with the marches? Will you please not let people speak on the podium who are not speaking with points on how to bring change and what the change will be and have exact times and dates on when they need me to be active on an issue?

The purpose of this thread is to two-fold one is to give myself a soapbox, nah it’s really TWO things I’d like your participation on.

#1 to give everyone a chance to soapbox their points that You would say if you were at the podium and everything you said would go to committee and be considered to put into action. So what would you say---seriously with all jokes aside? {no room for talking about what the problem is. Only solutions}

#2 is to list racist laws that exist from 1980 to 2015 that you can think of that either no longer exist or continue: I only know of a few so I need help seeing more. If you know a law that discriminates please list it and why it discriminates (drug laws are welcome, but if you can find something other than that it would help too)

So back to #1, the question is: What would you do or what can you think of that in in the realm of possibility that could improve a community that the people in the community might actually do more than just say “yeah I’m for it,” and do more and actually participate at least once a month?

After watching some of the speeches that are held in light of the police discrimination on African Americans I have noticed these successes that are derivatives from the marches:
-Try to make police wear cameras
-Take statistics on police killing citizens
-Try and hire more black police officers
-Repeal the stand your ground law
-show the world the harassment blacks in 2015 continue to endure

Now, before I go on to some examples. What I am thinking is this "ain’t nothing going to make Blacks position in America equal to Whites, unless..........[you fill in the blank] Our situation was not created diplomatically and cannot be reversed diplomatically. However, we can make a bad situation a little less bad.

I’ll put some focus points later on things I'd say, but I wanted to see if anyone would bite on the thread with solutions.
You have the mic.
Also if you post in response to #2, please list the source you are getting it from.
Stuff like what's below seems a small way to fight, but it's cool:

http://bossip.com/1153324/bye-beyotch-white-woman-who-instigated-racist-mckinney-pool-fight-suspended-from-job/

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  • luke1733
    luke1733 Members Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2015
    Answers to #2 I ran across:
    Laws and practices that are or were racist recently:
    1.NY to pay 98 million to settle case alleging fdny discriminated against minority applicants
    2. Bank of America http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/24/news/companies/bofa-racial-discrimination/
    3. Blacks have a hard time being hired in the police force:
    http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/8322620-74/hiring-police-black#axzz3cfQ6l0IS
    4. Voting in 2012 for states like Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Indiana were racist
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/court-rules-floridas-early-voting-restrictions-are-discriminatory/
    5. In the 2005 eminent domain case Kelo v. New London, the Supreme Court allowed government to seize private property for someone else’s ostensibly higher use — condemnation in the name of social progress. http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/02/zonings-racist-roots-still-bear-fruit
    6. Rockefeller law
    7. Stand your ground
    8. Civil Rights Act of 1991 http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/cra_1991.html
    9. War On Crime/War on Drugs
    10. Bank of America again http://www.nydailynews.com/news/bank-america-pay-335-million-settle-claims-countrywide-discriminated-minorities-article-1.995094

    Reasons why Acting is needed:

    Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin, Sean Bell add to the list, go beyond us murdered and into economics or applying for loans or school districts and homes zoned out for tax reasons

    http://news.yahoo.com/3-sentenced-prison-slaying-black-man-mississippi-205547940.html

    http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/02/black_white_employees_sue_hurl.html

    White men hunting black men
    http://news.yahoo.com/3-sentenced-prison-slaying-black-man-mississippi-205547940.html

    Kalief Browder-sat in riker’s island for 3 years with no trial for being accused of stealing a backpack
    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/kalief-browder-1993-2015
    Pregnant woman arrested:
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/us/barstow-california-police-video-pregnant-woman-arrest/
    Unarmed shooting death of Tony Robinson
    http://bossip.com/1140893/smh-no-charges-filed-against-officer-in-unarmed-shooting-death-of-tony-robinson/

    Freddie Gray-arrested by baltimore police on camera and had his spine broke

    Michael Thomas Slager-shoots unarmed man in back
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-michael-slager/
    Black man found hanging in Mississippi
    http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-looking-death-black-man-found-hanging-mississippi-213050371.html;_ylt=A0LEV0UpDA1VkSAAjQFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--
    Racial Thursday
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/racial-thursdays-alleged-alaska-army-base-report-says-n326141
    Whites Only stickers on businesses in Austin Texas
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/us/austin-white-people-sticker/
    Japan’s Blackface problem
    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/17/8230783/japan-racism-blackface
    Serena Williams at Indian Wells
    > > http://news.yahoo.com/serena-makes-winning-return-indian-wells-084707539--ten.html;_ylt=AwrBT8lIXgRVIMMAswVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMjBmcmQxBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDVklQNTQ4XzEEc2VjA3Nj

    > >

    South Carolina trooper shooting unarmed black man
    > > http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/index.html

    Atlanta cop kills naked mentally ill man
    Univ. of Oklahoma students expelled over racist rant
    Paris Racist fans
    https://in.news.yahoo.com/chelsea-condemn-fans-filmed-racist-incident-paris-084518298--sow.html
    Police use black face mug shots as targets for target practice
    http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Family-Outraged-After-North-Miami-Beach-Police-Use-Criminal-Photos-as-Shooting-Targets-288739131.htm
    Justice Report on Ferguson:
    Justice report - CNN.com
    85% of vehicle stops were for blacks
    90% of citations were for blacks
    93% of arrests were for blacks.
    The city financially was using the police station's racism against blacks for profit

    Cops texting racist texts:
    http://bossip.com/1073995/bigots-with-badges-2-ohio-cops-suspended-for-racist-texts-43081/


    White privilege examples:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/criming-while-white-hashtag_n_6265480.html

    http://aattp.org/tim-wise-pens-brilliant-editorial-on-ferguson-most-white-americans-are-completely-oblivious/
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2015
    What sucks about all that Luke is that there isn't any silver bullet for this situation. In a nation that's 67% White, with many racists in the criminal justice system, realistically, marching and demanding freedom isn't gonna work on its own. There are no easy or fast solutions. None. Personally, I'd like to move out the USA one day, as I don't see things changing a whole lot here to be honest. We can still improve things though, as we've done historically. While we're here, I think all this can help....

    1) We HAVE TO step our education up. While Asians are passing us by economically (often because they value education more then many of us do), too many of us want to slack off in school and not be ambitious enough. The more educated we are, the less chance we'll have to rely on criminal activity to survive and as a result, run into cops more. Even in the hood, there are many educated Blacks who pay mortgages with jobs they got through college, technical school or whatever. If we step our education up and take school more seriously, then more of us will have less run ins with the law. Also, we'll have a BETTER chance of catching up with Whites economically and socially.

    2) We have to start respecting our families, children, and neighborhoods more. The better we raise our children and better we treat our family members and people in our community (financially and emotionally), the less likely people in our community will feel hopeless and just live for today. Also, the less often crooked cops can find an opportunity to 🤬 us over. People who feel hopeless don't do much with their lives and many times end up being a problem. We gotta be positive influences for people in our community. If police see so many of us don't respect ourselves and our people, we can't expect outsiders to do it.

    3) Keep an eye on the cops and record them at every opportunity if a situation looks suspicious. Not saying all cops are bad but way too many are. Pressure politicians and prosecutors when cops act wrong (something I think we're doing well)

    4) Start our own voluntary neighborhood watch programs, so we can police ourselves better and rely less on crooked cops who know how to make life difficult for so many of us. If that's impossible, then let's at least look out for our neighbors to the point they won't even need to call cops, let's be our own guardians. Let's protect our women and elderly more. If you're gonna hustle, don't make a spot so hot and obvious that the community turns against itself. Freddie Gray was killed by cops but it was the neighborhood calling the cops so often that made the spot hot. Time to be less obvious about things.

    There's more but I don't have the energy to write more right now. Just a few things in my mind that I think can help.
  • luke1733
    luke1733 Members Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2015
    Good stuff king. I agree with what you wrote.
    I figured alot of us on here speak on race so I just wanted to hear some answers that go beyond someone saying "pull your pants up" or looking for ways to blame us and instead think of methods beyond a soundbite that could honestly do some good and put up evidence of journalistic articles or laws they know of that blacks can see need to be done away with.
    luke1733 wrote: »
    Thanks king. I agree with what you wrote.



    What sucks about all that Luke is that there isn't any silver bullet for this situation. In a nation that's 67% White, with many racists in the criminal justice system, realistically, marching and demanding freedom isn't gonna work on its own. There are no easy or fast solutions. None. Personally, I'd like to move out the USA one day, as I don't see things changing a whole lot here to be honest. We can still improve things though, as we've done historically. While we're here, I think all this can help....

    1) We HAVE TO step our education up. While Asians are passing us by economically (often because they value education more then many of us do), too many of us want to slack off in school and not be ambitious enough. The more educated we are, the less chance we'll have to rely on criminal activity to survive and as a result, run into cops more. Even in the hood, there are many educated Blacks who pay mortgages with jobs they got through college, technical school or whatever. If we step our education up and take school more seriously, then more of us will have less run ins with the law. Also, we'll have a BETTER chance of catching up with Whites economically and socially.

    2) We have to start respecting our families, children, and neighborhoods more. The better we raise our children and better we treat our family members and people in our community (financially and emotionally), the less likely people in our community will feel hopeless and just live for today. Also, the less often crooked cops can find an opportunity to 🤬 us over. People who feel hopeless don't do much with their lives and many times end up being a problem. We gotta be positive influences for people in our community. If police see so many of us don't respect ourselves and our people, we can't expect outsiders to do it.

    3) Keep an eye on the cops and record them at every opportunity if a situation looks suspicious. Not saying all cops are bad but way too many are. Pressure politicians and prosecutors when cops act wrong (something I think we're doing well)

    4) Start our own voluntary neighborhood watch programs, so we can police ourselves better and rely less on crooked cops who know how to make life difficult for so many of us. If that's impossible, then let's at least look out for our neighbors to the point they won't even need to call cops, let's be our own guardians. Let's protect our women and elderly more. If you're gonna hustle, don't make a spot so hot and obvious that the community turns against itself. Freddie Gray was killed by cops but it was the neighborhood calling the cops so often that made the spot hot. Time to be less obvious about things.

    There's more but I don't have the energy to write more right now. Just a few things in my mind that I think can help.
  • luke1733
    luke1733 Members Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2015
    Marches could focus on:
    Focus 1-Each march should have a focus point: For example: #1 “We are marching for this person who was killed. Our focus point for the next 6 months is to call these following telephone numbers and give the public the home addresses of these people and call every day and give this message. "We want you out of your job." (Give the house numbers of the mayor, police chief, etcetera)”

    Focus 2- example at next march: “We are focusing on employment. At this march we have 10 people who will look over your resume. E-mail them no later than tomorrow with your qualifications and contact information.” These 10 people will take the top 10 candidates (employed or unemployed) from the march and will have agents find them a job. If any of the candidates happen to be applying for a government osition then they will have the support of the hundreds of marchers that guarantee their signatures of endorsing the candidate. If the candidate receives a job over $65,000 then 3% of that check is to go to the agent that found them that job for one year.

    Focus 3-Hold up a list of 5 demands (Example: hire at least 2 black police officers in a particular unit inside of a 6 month period if they are qualified, 2 hire a city council member recommended by the protesters, 3 at least worth trying to write a letter for a bid for a factory to return to the area stating what the people of the community have agreed to work for, 4 have focused patrolling of a neighborhood where the police sit in on a neighborhood by a group of 5 and stay in that area for a week, 5 have a trade school that is community based and free to the people as long as the person does not miss 2 classes)for a specific candidate that the people in the march vow to support. That candidate is responsible for seeing where 60% of the city’s revenue is going and to meet with the marchers through blog/personal e-mails or meeting and list at least 5 areas of change that are realistic for the voters to back him/her on. So when he goes to present an issue to the city or county he has the people’s signatures literally behind her/him on an issue.

    Focus 4- Everyone donate money to buy a franchise or this plot of land: Everyone that donates this amount of money will receive this back in profit in equal relation to the donation. 10% of the donation will be used to employ the workers that are making this happen. It will be the community bank account.
    You can see every month exactly how much the franchise brought in, your contribution, the amount of money you received back.

    Focus 5- Highlight in each city the march is in: 1st the candidates that need to be removed from city council, government offices and police. 2nd highlight candidates that do a good job

    Focus 6-(damn near impossible)- make sure that the jury is at least half of the same race as the accused even in areas where the defendant is in the minority.

    Focus 7-Require businesses that build in an area to show what they have provided

    -Return to other cities and other marches with a check list updating the successes or lack of successes from each previous marches focus points.
  • luke1733
    luke1733 Members Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2015
    Maybe this 🤬 on here sound like I'm getting folks on "if I were to fix the world.....I would....." said in a 5 year old voice. It's close to it, I admit it: but I was looking for some suggestions cause I'm thinking of joining the city council and would like to actually have some help on stuff to bring to the table that can directly help improve a situation and be able to call out the evidence as to why a situation needs to be addressed.
    So basically, do my homework for me.
    Nah, but for real, a bunch of times blacks I'm around get on the conversation of what can be done, so that's what this thread is about. Same 🤬 we talk on at a bar or at a family reunion. Just wanted to see responses in writing.
  • luke1733
    luke1733 Members Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2015
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/confederate-flag-flying-south-carolina-capitol-grounds-provokes/story?id=31863705



    Also, like some streets in Atlanta it still has Confederate general road signs in black neighborhoods and city streets.

    These can be and already have been a focus point of action to get these removed
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