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Is overpopulation the world's biggest problem now?

kingblaze84
kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
I don't know for sure but based on everything I'm reading lately, I'm slowly reaching a conclusion that overpopulation is fast hurting and destroying the planet from an environmental standpoint and living condition standpoint. Climate change is not helping things either but humans are the ones causing climate change for the most part.

With overpopulation, rents and housing will continue to be very expensive for much of the world, and only get higher. For example, in NY and California, places where population growth is high, rents and housing prices there are through the roof. Food will only get more expensive as resources and water dry up, and we're at about 7 billion people now. Refugees from across the globe are at record highs, as governments throughout the Middle East, Asia, and Africa are unable to take care of the ever growing amount of people. Europe is already seeing populations shrink, as cost of living there is already high.

Humans are consuming too many resources at too quickly a pace as well according to scientists, and with limited resources, wars and conflicts will only increase. The world already has more refugees now than almost any other time in world history.

So basically, is overpopulation the world's BIGGEST problem? Or are there other issues more important? Many will say the world can fit enough humans on much smaller land but our resources and water supplies can't last forever at this pace.
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  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    Also, as populations for many nations increase, government budgets will explode as they try to take care of more and more people. Most nations don't have the resources to handle big budgets, especially in developing nations.
  • Melqart
    Melqart Epistemophilic Pronounced Malk-artGuests, Members Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know for sure but based on everything I'm reading lately, I'm slowly reaching a conclusion that overpopulation is fast hurting and destroying the planet from an environmental standpoint and living condition standpoint. Climate change is not helping things either but humans are the ones causing climate change for the most part.

    With overpopulation, rents and housing will continue to be very expensive for much of the world, and only get higher. For example, in NY and California, places where population growth is high, rents and housing prices there are through the roof. Food will only get more expensive as resources and water dry up, and we're at about 7 billion people now. Refugees from across the globe are at record highs, as governments throughout the Middle East, Asia, and Africa are unable to take care of the ever growing amount of people. Europe is already seeing populations shrink, as cost of living there is already high.

    Humans are consuming too many resources at too quickly a pace as well according to scientists, and with limited resources, wars and conflicts will only increase. The world already has more refugees now than almost any other time in world history.

    So basically, is overpopulation the world's BIGGEST problem? Or are there other issues more important? Many will say the world can fit enough humans on much smaller land but our resources and water supplies can't last forever at this pace.

    I dont believe that overpopulation is a problem. I believe in a sense, that the Western Industrial Consumption paradigm in its current form is grossly unbalanced... it was never meant to be something that the majority of the world could attain...

    this is shown in that one statistic that says that we would need more than one earth, if all of humanity were to consume as much as the West.

    I obviously dont have the answer to this problem, but I intuitively believe that if the top think tanks and a triumvirate of ecological/political/economic experts on the cutting edge could convene to possibly coalesce a mode of sustainable living that would incapacitate and engender the welfare all peoples, and preserve the environments of our earth for future generations.
  • zzombie
    zzombie Members Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No over population is a myth that has been going on for over 100 years already. The fact is that technology has made all the problems of potential over population fixable.

    As more people move into cities the damage people do will be alleviated because we will occupy less of surface area. Food won't be a problem because vertical farming will be greatly improved if not mastered our cities themselves will become more efficient. And our use of fossil fuels is already dropping.

    Really we should be focusing on the reduction/elimination of non biodegradable plastics and desalination.not worrying about population numbers that will take care of itself, population density is a local issue
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Abraxas wrote: »
    I don't know for sure but based on everything I'm reading lately, I'm slowly reaching a conclusion that overpopulation is fast hurting and destroying the planet from an environmental standpoint and living condition standpoint. Climate change is not helping things either but humans are the ones causing climate change for the most part.

    With overpopulation, rents and housing will continue to be very expensive for much of the world, and only get higher. For example, in NY and California, places where population growth is high, rents and housing prices there are through the roof. Food will only get more expensive as resources and water dry up, and we're at about 7 billion people now. Refugees from across the globe are at record highs, as governments throughout the Middle East, Asia, and Africa are unable to take care of the ever growing amount of people. Europe is already seeing populations shrink, as cost of living there is already high.

    Humans are consuming too many resources at too quickly a pace as well according to scientists, and with limited resources, wars and conflicts will only increase. The world already has more refugees now than almost any other time in world history.

    So basically, is overpopulation the world's BIGGEST problem? Or are there other issues more important? Many will say the world can fit enough humans on much smaller land but our resources and water supplies can't last forever at this pace.

    I dont believe that overpopulation is a problem. I believe in a sense, that the Western Industrial Consumption paradigm in its current form is grossly unbalanced... it was never meant to be something that the majority of the world could attain...

    this is shown in that one statistic that says that we would need more than one earth, if all of humanity were to consume as much as the West.

    I obviously dont have the answer to this problem, but I intuitively believe that if the top think tanks and a triumvirate of ecological/political/economic experts on the cutting edge could convene to possibly coalesce a mode of sustainable living that would incapacitate and engender the welfare all peoples, and preserve the environments of our earth for future generations.

    I can respect that but various think tanks from the world community have already come together and said overpopulation is the world's biggest danger to the environment, fishing sources are drying up and science can only do so much when most people worldwide can't even take care of themselves. Who realistically is gonna create more affordable housing for the billions of people around the world?

    And sustainable living sounds great but let's be honest, people are greedy as 🤬 . People will always want and desire more then what they need.
  • zzombie
    zzombie Members Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Abraxas wrote: »
    I don't know for sure but based on everything I'm reading lately, I'm slowly reaching a conclusion that overpopulation is fast hurting and destroying the planet from an environmental standpoint and living condition standpoint. Climate change is not helping things either but humans are the ones causing climate change for the most part.

    With overpopulation, rents and housing will continue to be very expensive for much of the world, and only get higher. For example, in NY and California, places where population growth is high, rents and housing prices there are through the roof. Food will only get more expensive as resources and water dry up, and we're at about 7 billion people now. Refugees from across the globe are at record highs, as governments throughout the Middle East, Asia, and Africa are unable to take care of the ever growing amount of people. Europe is already seeing populations shrink, as cost of living there is already high.

    Humans are consuming too many resources at too quickly a pace as well according to scientists, and with limited resources, wars and conflicts will only increase. The world already has more refugees now than almost any other time in world history.

    So basically, is overpopulation the world's BIGGEST problem? Or are there other issues more important? Many will say the world can fit enough humans on much smaller land but our resources and water supplies can't last forever at this pace.

    I dont believe that overpopulation is a problem. I believe in a sense, that the Western Industrial Consumption paradigm in its current form is grossly unbalanced... it was never meant to be something that the majority of the world could attain...

    this is shown in that one statistic that says that we would need more than one earth, if all of humanity were to consume as much as the West.

    I obviously dont have the answer to this problem, but I intuitively believe that if the top think tanks and a triumvirate of ecological/political/economic experts on the cutting edge could convene to possibly coalesce a mode of sustainable living that would incapacitate and engender the welfare all peoples, and preserve the environments of our earth for future generations.

    I can respect that but various think tanks from the world community have already come together and said overpopulation is the world's biggest danger to the environment, fishing sources are drying up and science can only do so much when most people worldwide can't even take care of themselves. Who realistically is gonna create more affordable housing for the billions of people around the world?

    And sustainable living sounds great but let's be honest, people are greedy as 🤬 . People will always want and desire more then what they need.

    so called think tanks and educated people have been running their mouth about overpopulation since forever about that 🤬 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/14/opinion/overpopulation-is-not-the-problem.html?_r=0
  • zzombie
    zzombie Members Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    there are more fat people than ever before and we throw away tons of perfectly good food every year there is no over population, but there will always be poor suffering people
  • popotak
    popotak Members Posts: 9
    No its the laziness of the people.
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    zzombie wrote: »
    No over population is a myth that has been going on for over 100 years already. The fact is that technology has made all the problems of potential over population fixable.

    As more people move into cities the damage people do will be alleviated because we will occupy less of surface area. Food won't be a problem because vertical farming will be greatly improved if not mastered our cities themselves will become more efficient. And our use of fossil fuels is already dropping.

    Really we should be focusing on the reduction/elimination of non biodegradable plastics and desalination.not worrying about population numbers that will take care of itself, population density is a local issue

    Our cities and farming efficiency may improve but people will still use a lot of resources, especially as nations modernize. What happens to the cost of housing and food when the planet reaches 8 or 9 billion?? It will be so high that poverty will have no choice but to increase, and when poverty increases in big cities, crime and conflicts are gonna become unbearable. These conditions already exist in many places around the world.

    Population numbers also won't take care of itself, it's getting higher and higher and most governments worldwide won't have the resources to take care of them.
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    popotak wrote: »
    No its the laziness of the people.

    What do you mean laziness of the people, most people want to work but there's not enough jobs to go around. The youth unemployment around the world is like 40%.
  • zzombie
    zzombie Members Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    zzombie wrote: »
    No over population is a myth that has been going on for over 100 years already. The fact is that technology has made all the problems of potential over population fixable.

    As more people move into cities the damage people do will be alleviated because we will occupy less of surface area. Food won't be a problem because vertical farming will be greatly improved if not mastered our cities themselves will become more efficient. And our use of fossil fuels is already dropping.

    Really we should be focusing on the reduction/elimination of non biodegradable plastics and desalination.not worrying about population numbers that will take care of itself, population density is a local issue

    Our cities and farming efficiency may improve but people will still use a lot of resources, especially as nations modernize. What happens to the cost of housing and food when the planet reaches 8 or 9 billion?? It will be so high that poverty will have no choice but to increase, and when poverty increases in big cities, crime and conflicts are gonna become unbearable. These conditions already exist in many places around the world.

    Population numbers also won't take care of itself, it's getting higher and higher and most governments worldwide won't have the resources to take care of them.

    the cost of things like food and especially housing in certain markets is artificially held higher than what they really should be. Populations naturally decrease on their own one way of the other as nations modernize their populations naturally drop.

    THERE WILL always be poor people.
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    zzombie wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    No over population is a myth that has been going on for over 100 years already. The fact is that technology has made all the problems of potential over population fixable.

    As more people move into cities the damage people do will be alleviated because we will occupy less of surface area. Food won't be a problem because vertical farming will be greatly improved if not mastered our cities themselves will become more efficient. And our use of fossil fuels is already dropping.

    Really we should be focusing on the reduction/elimination of non biodegradable plastics and desalination.not worrying about population numbers that will take care of itself, population density is a local issue

    Our cities and farming efficiency may improve but people will still use a lot of resources, especially as nations modernize. What happens to the cost of housing and food when the planet reaches 8 or 9 billion?? It will be so high that poverty will have no choice but to increase, and when poverty increases in big cities, crime and conflicts are gonna become unbearable. These conditions already exist in many places around the world.

    Population numbers also won't take care of itself, it's getting higher and higher and most governments worldwide won't have the resources to take care of them.

    the cost of things like food and especially housing in certain markets is artificially held higher than what they really should be. Populations naturally decrease on their own one way of the other as nations modernize their populations naturally drop.

    THERE WILL always be poor people.

    You said before populations "naturally" decrease on their own but overall that's not happening. India is modernizing and their population is still increasing, Africa is modernizing and their population growth like India's is basically unsustainable. Yeah there will always be poor people but the AMOUNT of people in poverty will grow so large it will be impossible to do anything about them.

    And the cost of food and housing is artificially held higher, I can agree with that but as I said before, humans are a naturally greedy species, and nothing is gonna change that. As humans grow in population, do you really expect humans to pollute the water less? Do you expect humans to be any less greedy and selfish?
  • zzombie
    zzombie Members Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    zzombie wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    No over population is a myth that has been going on for over 100 years already. The fact is that technology has made all the problems of potential over population fixable.

    As more people move into cities the damage people do will be alleviated because we will occupy less of surface area. Food won't be a problem because vertical farming will be greatly improved if not mastered our cities themselves will become more efficient. And our use of fossil fuels is already dropping.

    Really we should be focusing on the reduction/elimination of non biodegradable plastics and desalination.not worrying about population numbers that will take care of itself, population density is a local issue

    Our cities and farming efficiency may improve but people will still use a lot of resources, especially as nations modernize. What happens to the cost of housing and food when the planet reaches 8 or 9 billion?? It will be so high that poverty will have no choice but to increase, and when poverty increases in big cities, crime and conflicts are gonna become unbearable. These conditions already exist in many places around the world.

    Population numbers also won't take care of itself, it's getting higher and higher and most governments worldwide won't have the resources to take care of them.

    the cost of things like food and especially housing in certain markets is artificially held higher than what they really should be. Populations naturally decrease on their own one way of the other as nations modernize their populations naturally drop.

    THERE WILL always be poor people.

    You said before populations "naturally" decrease on their own but overall that's not happening. India is modernizing and their population is still increasing, Africa is modernizing and their population growth like India's is basically unsustainable. Yeah there will always be poor people but the AMOUNT of people in poverty will grow so large it will be impossible to do anything about them.

    And the cost of food and housing is artificially held higher, I can agree with that but as I said before, humans are a naturally greedy species, and nothing is gonna change that. As humans grow in population, do you really expect humans to pollute the water less? Do you expect humans to be any less greedy and selfish?

    POPULATIONS GO THROUGH a bell curve populations in india and some parts of africa are increasing as they modernize but eventually a peak is reached and their populations will start to drop. we will continue to pollute but the affect of our pollution will also start to decrease.

    attaining a clean water supply is the problem, but yes as more of us move into cities there will be less pollution on the surface area of the earth which means less water contamination
  • zzombie
    zzombie Members Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    overall the human population may increase but so what population density is a local problem. the places that are moving from a less poor to rich/middle income status will have big populations but the other areas, the rich areas will have dropping populations.
  • zzombie
    zzombie Members Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    food will not be that big of an issue, we will move toward vertical farming so the cities will feed themselves alternative and renewable energy is getting better every year and so is desalination and filter technology.
  • cyr0gen
    cyr0gen Members Posts: 324 ✭✭✭✭
    I think it's a problem but I still think corruption is by far our biggest problem. They gain more as we grow in #'s and they are scared of losing what they have.
  • janklow
    janklow god's lonely man. Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    thing is, overpopulation got oversold decades back, so whatever threat it represents (probably mostly in the less resource-rich and more unstable) is going to get a little overlooked
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    zzombie wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    zzombie wrote: »
    No over population is a myth that has been going on for over 100 years already. The fact is that technology has made all the problems of potential over population fixable.

    As more people move into cities the damage people do will be alleviated because we will occupy less of surface area. Food won't be a problem because vertical farming will be greatly improved if not mastered our cities themselves will become more efficient. And our use of fossil fuels is already dropping.

    Really we should be focusing on the reduction/elimination of non biodegradable plastics and desalination.not worrying about population numbers that will take care of itself, population density is a local issue

    Our cities and farming efficiency may improve but people will still use a lot of resources, especially as nations modernize. What happens to the cost of housing and food when the planet reaches 8 or 9 billion?? It will be so high that poverty will have no choice but to increase, and when poverty increases in big cities, crime and conflicts are gonna become unbearable. These conditions already exist in many places around the world.

    Population numbers also won't take care of itself, it's getting higher and higher and most governments worldwide won't have the resources to take care of them.

    the cost of things like food and especially housing in certain markets is artificially held higher than what they really should be. Populations naturally decrease on their own one way of the other as nations modernize their populations naturally drop.

    THERE WILL always be poor people.

    You said before populations "naturally" decrease on their own but overall that's not happening. India is modernizing and their population is still increasing, Africa is modernizing and their population growth like India's is basically unsustainable. Yeah there will always be poor people but the AMOUNT of people in poverty will grow so large it will be impossible to do anything about them.

    And the cost of food and housing is artificially held higher, I can agree with that but as I said before, humans are a naturally greedy species, and nothing is gonna change that. As humans grow in population, do you really expect humans to pollute the water less? Do you expect humans to be any less greedy and selfish?

    POPULATIONS GO THROUGH a bell curve populations in india and some parts of africa are increasing as they modernize but eventually a peak is reached and their populations will start to drop. we will continue to pollute but the affect of our pollution will also start to decrease.

    attaining a clean water supply is the problem, but yes as more of us move into cities there will be less pollution on the surface area of the earth which means less water contamination

    Everyone hopes clean water increases throughout the world but it's an expensive process for many nations, so I hope it happens somehow. Humans will continue to pollute but as more nations modernize, pollution will increase too, you think China and India are gonna pollute less anytime soon? We will see. And we don't know when that peak will be reached population wise, that will be a problem down the line, as many of these people will have no use for society and later on cause problems for it.

    Scientists and sociologists are agreeing on this but I'm trying to keep an open mind here.
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    thing is, overpopulation got oversold decades back, so whatever threat it represents (probably mostly in the less resource-rich and more unstable) is going to get a little overlooked

    Yeah I can agree with this, overpopulation was oversold before but now it seems to be a real problem. It may or may not be the most important issue facing the world now, but I think it's definitely one of them.
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    cyr0gen wrote: »
    I think it's a problem but I still think corruption is by far our biggest problem. They gain more as we grow in #'s and they are scared of losing what they have.

    That's a good point, corruption and greed are definitely among the biggest issues facing the world now. If not the number one issue, then number two and three for sure.
  • Delphas
    Delphas NYMembers Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Overpopulation is an issue, but it's exacerbated more by our lifestyle.

    People starving? Look how much food gets wasted not in the US, but world wide. It gets dropped because it doesn't have a particular aesthic, or only a small part of an animal is desired, when the entire thing is edible.

    Global warming? Look directly to our overdepence on oil, and having natural energy solutions deferred because of interference from oil companies.

    People being poor? There will always be poor people, rich people, and middle class, but what constitues the financial aspects of each are wildly changing because the rich and corporations are 🤬 the world.

    Overpopulation isn't a myth, but if we took care of some of these issues, you be surprised how easily it could be managed.
  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopMembers Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    Delphas wrote: »
    Overpopulation is an issue, but it's exacerbated more by our lifestyle.

    People starving? Look how much food gets wasted not in the US, but world wide. It gets dropped because it doesn't have a particular aesthic, or only a small part of an animal is desired, when the entire thing is edible.

    Global warming? Look directly to our overdepence on oil, and having natural energy solutions deferred because of interference from oil companies.

    People being poor? There will always be poor people, rich people, and middle class, but what constitues the financial aspects of each are wildly changing because the rich and corporations are 🤬 the world.

    Overpopulation isn't a myth, but if we took care of some of these issues, you be surprised how easily it could be managed.

    I fully agree, but who is gonna stop these global corporations and contractors from 🤬 the world? I can imagine how crazy things will get as the Earth heats up and more and more farmland gets destroyed by drought. Earth is reaching its limits, and climate change is speeding everything up.
  • LONDON!
    LONDON! Members Posts: 679 ✭✭✭
    you have too overstand this, concern for the planet from a civillised, genuine, progressive, constructive non hating type of way is one thing

    but theirs a elite of mudda fockers out there(that don't promote the over population issue as much as they used too, publicly in the mainstream, maybe because there savage, primitive goals are being acheived)that promote population control

    population control is a euphemism for eugenics, it started from the the elite in the west twisting darwinism and coming up wit eugenics, but they changed the name of this movement after the second world war due too the mainstream backlash against the 🤬 eugenics stuff, you get what i'm saying, so instead they called it population control, wit the influx of 🤬 's into the cia after the second war in the mid 40's in the us goverment operation called operation paper clip, the us goverment from 1948, in league wit the certain western elite, from goverments, too the medical/phamaceutical industrial complex & so on & so on wit a ravenous, possesed appetite for acheving there savage, primitive goals witout fail, created the AIDS virus amongst other man made bio-warfare diseases like ebola & chronic fatigue sydrome(aka gulf war sydrome) in the US goverments US special cancer virus program from 1962 too 1978, the aftermath of the racist cia operation mk naomi, research that, the virus was let out in public through the the US center for disease & control hepatitis b vaccination program for 🤬 in the late 70's in america & through the world health organization via the smallpox vaccination program in the heterosexual populations throughout the planet in the late 70's aswell, which was part of jimmy carter's global 2000 🤬

    millions & millions of assassinated peeps by way of one of the biggest war crime atrocitys later, the system or certain global elite have eased off promoting population control in public mainstream arenas as rabid, foaming at the mouth back in the day antics like they use too, probably like i said, there acheaving there goals, AIDS, depleted uranium, imperilist wars, death from poverty at the extreme end of worldwide imperialism structure

    if you worried about overpopulation so much, start wit your self, you see what i'm saying, you get me, you know them way there, overstand this

    1.only the creator of all of this planet has a say of this type of issues through natures natural ways
    2. what your talking about is man made problems, the society's of this planet we inhabitate worldwide is built on a man made system of haves & have nots, the greedy, pathogical psychotics, global elites that control this, want too control all the resources for themselves and 🤬 off any threats too there 🤬 and have the rest of the world in sevitude, what we call imperialism, fashism & eugenics, this is the undercover culture that controls and is promoted and brainwashed wit public mainstream scripts worldwide into the human being public psyche, they feel less humans, will lead too better control of these resources

    thats whats overpopulating the planet, not humans, i'm gone
  • janklow
    janklow god's lonely man. Members, Moderators Posts: 8,613 Regulator
    LONDON! wrote: »
    only the creator of all of this planet has a say of this type of issues through natures natural ways
    ...says the guy who's simultaneously declaring nature could not have created diseases
  • LONDON!
    LONDON! Members Posts: 679 ✭✭✭
    again you can't seem too comprehend what i'm typing, but i will try too keep it basic, 1,2,3, a,b,c

    1.theirs natural diseases from nature
    2.then theirs man made diseases made in laboratorys

    thats my 'opinon' i'm promoting, simple, simple as, i'm gone
  • BiblicalAtheist
    BiblicalAtheist Prude FieldsMembers Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The galactic gap between rich and poor is the biggest problem. Proven fact that poverty stricken people reproduce more. Fix that and the rest will follow.
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