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This is CRAZY!! Devices on public buses in Maryland are listening to private conversations

D. Morgan
D. Morgan Not even on social media BUT....I'M SWAGGIN SO HARD I FUCKED THE GRAM UPMembers Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 2016 in The Social Lounge
The Maryland Senate is scheduled to consider a bill on Tuesday that would clamp down on when public buses and trains can record the private conversations of their passengers.

“What [the Maryland Transit Administration] is doing is a mass surveillance,” said Sen. Robert A. Zirkin (D-Baltimore County), chair of the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee, which unanimously voted for the measure to move to the Senate floor.

“I find it outrageous,” Zirkin said. “I don’t want to overstate it, but this is the issue of our generation. As technology advances, it becomes easier and easier to encroach on people’s civil liberties.”

While Zirkin and other proponents argue that the technology, which has been in use since 2012, is an infringement on civil liberties, the bill’s opponents say the recordings are a necessary tool for homeland security.

The bill, which would affect MTA buses in the Baltimore area, Ride On buses in Montgomery County and TheBus in Prince George’s County, creates guidelines for audio recordings and places limits on when they can be made.


[On buses, cameras are watching and listening]

MTA began using recording devices inside some of its buses in 2012, without seeking legislative approval. Nearly 500 of its fleet of 750 buses now have audio recording capabilities. Officials say the devices can capture important information in cases of driver error or an attack or altercation on a bus.

Under the bill, recording devices would have to be installed near a bus or train operators’ seat. The devices would be controlled by the driver and could be activated only in the event of a public-safety incident.

The legislation to limit the recordings came to the Senate floor last week, but a vote was delayed until Tuesday after several lawmakers raised questions about how much it would cost to retrofit or replace existing recording equipment to meet the bill’s requirements.

Some lawmakers raised the issue of security. Several asked for the delay to allow time to draft amendments.

“I can make an argument to tape everybody, everywhere, everywhere they walk, everywhere they talk, and you can make the excuse for homeland security,” Zirkin said. “But that is not a valid reason to encroach this fundamentally on people’s privacy rights.”

This is the fourth time in four years that the bill to limit the recordings has been introduced. Previous pieces of legislation have never made it out of committee, but Zirkin’s committee unanimously approved it this year.


Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. (D-Calvert) indicated last week that he doesn’t like the bill and would probably vote against it because he feels the limitations could compromise security and he does not want to incur the cost of replacing existing equipment.

The Judicial Proceedings Committee will hear testimony Tuesday on a bill that would change the way police officers in Maryland are trained and the process they go through when they are accused of misconduct.

The legislation, which was heard in the House last week, was created after last spring’s riots in Baltimore and repeated calls from criminal justice advocates for police reform.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/devices-on-public-buses-in-maryland-are-listening-to-private-conversations/2016/02/29/325e1d1e-df36-11e5-8d98-4b3d9215ade1_story.html?hpid=hp_local-news_mdbustalk-8am:homepage/story

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  • BiblicalAtheist
    BiblicalAtheist Prude FieldsMembers Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Who cares tho really? People willingly lay out their entire lives versing in text with practically everyone they've ever known or will know.
  • D. Morgan
    D. Morgan Not even on social media BUT.... I'M SWAGGIN SO HARD I FUCKED THE GRAM UPMembers Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The_Jackal wrote: »
    Who cares tho really? People willingly lay out their entire lives versing in text with practically everyone they've ever known or will know.

    That's a broad generalization and it still doesn't justify their actions.

    Exactly.

    Myself and a lot of people I know do nothing that dude is saying in that post.
  • BiblicalAtheist
    BiblicalAtheist Prude FieldsMembers Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Broad but true. It's justified in the fact no one does anything to stop it. If people don't stop an injustice, it must not be a big enough crime.
  • BiblicalAtheist
    BiblicalAtheist Prude FieldsMembers Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To you or me it big, it's huge! Unprecedented! But it falls on deaf ears and blind eyes(headphones and devices).
  • CeLLaR-DooR
    CeLLaR-DooR Members Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Broad but true. It's justified in the fact no one does anything to stop it. If people don't stop an injustice, it must not be a big enough crime.

    Yo there are mad privacy advocacy groups out there
  • D. Morgan
    D. Morgan Not even on social media BUT.... I'M SWAGGIN SO HARD I FUCKED THE GRAM UPMembers Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To you or me it big, it's huge! Unprecedented! But it falls on deaf ears and blind eyes(headphones and devices).

    Obviously not if people are trying to fight it now. Also its says the MTA did it without legislative approval so I take that as it was done without notifying the public at all and only some of the local government officials I'm sure some knew about it.

    I can be honest this is my first time hearing about it. I personally don't have any social media accounts besides posting on here. Don't talk or text about personal 🤬 on my phone. My folks either come to me, I come to them or we meet halfway and talk face to face.

    I know they do 🤬 like this so I try to minimize the 🤬 as much as possible and I don't even do 🤬 that is illegal. Just the type of person I am. I love my privacy!!
  • iron man1
    iron man1 Genius, Billionaire, Playboy, Philanthropist Avengers TowerMembers Posts: 29,989 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well damn
  • babelipsss
    babelipsss Members Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2016
    I think most public transportation has video surveillance installed already. How is this different? People get outraged over anything.
  • D. Morgan
    D. Morgan Not even on social media BUT.... I'M SWAGGIN SO HARD I FUCKED THE GRAM UPMembers Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    babelipsss wrote: »
    I think most public transportation has video surveillance installed already. How is this different? People get outraged over anything.

    How can you not see the difference?

    Having a camera to make sure people don't 🤬 up the bus driver or passengers is way different than being able to listen to people phone conversations.

    Come on now 🤬 is a huge difference.
  • jono
    jono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think a citizen has any expectation of privacy on a public bus. I'm not sure but I don't think so.

    In any event, bus drivers are attacked enough to warrant some kind of surveillance. If the driver is controlling when the recording starts then it's probably limited in usage already.
  • Ol Jay's
    Ol Jay's Members Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭✭✭
    people willingly tell on themselves all day everyday on social media, what's new
  • yellowtapesport
    yellowtapesport Members Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm OK with this esp after all the attacks lately on the METRO 🤬 is crazy. If you don't like it...drive.
  • The_Jackal
    The_Jackal Members Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ol Jay's wrote: »
    people willingly tell on themselves all day everyday on social media, what's new

    Again that in noway justifies a company from recording our private conversation.
  • lamontbdc
    lamontbdc 16th & UMembers Posts: 18,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    not an issue to me...🤬 you get the metro and 🤬 be yelling there whole life story across the train cars to other folks and 🤬

    on the real they need a study on why them MTA buses always late...Bmore public transportation was the 🤬 worst

  • bkkbully
    bkkbully around the wayMembers Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SMH @ any of y'all ok with this 🤬 .
  • yellowtapesport
    yellowtapesport Members Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The_Jackal wrote: »
    Ol Jay's wrote: »
    people willingly tell on themselves all day everyday on social media, what's new

    Again that in noway justifies a company from recording our private conversation.

    Not sure how you can expect privacy on a PUBLIC bus my 🤬
    bkkbully wrote: »
    SMH @ any of y'all ok with this 🤬 .

    Sound like you need a car...
  • D. Morgan
    D. Morgan Not even on social media BUT.... I'M SWAGGIN SO HARD I FUCKED THE GRAM UPMembers Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WTF is some of yall limits to this type of stuff when will yall feel this type of 🤬 has gone to far?

    I mean damn yall really feel its ok for conversations between people riding the bus to be recorded.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not cool
  • Sion
    Sion Moderator, Legion of Trill, AHH Content Producer, AHH Editor Members, Moderators, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 45,666 Regulator
    Who cares tho really? People willingly lay out their entire lives versing in text with practically everyone they've ever known or will know.

    I actually agree with this.

    If people will let complete strangers around the globe look into their homes and what they're doing on a day to day basis over social media, they can't be mad that private companies are being paid to pay attention to that type of 🤬 . People can get mad but they do it to themselves.
  • Sion
    Sion Moderator, Legion of Trill, AHH Content Producer, AHH Editor Members, Moderators, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 45,666 Regulator
    D. Morgan wrote: »
    WTF is some of yall limits to this type of stuff when will yall feel this type of 🤬 has gone to far?

    I mean damn yall really feel its ok for conversations between people riding the bus to be recorded.

    They're going to justify it by saying it can prevent domestic terrorism and acts of chaos if they find out what the person is talking about before it happens SMMFH. Corporations will pay big money to find out what people are talking about so they can learn more about the consumer, etc.

  • Sion
    Sion Moderator, Legion of Trill, AHH Content Producer, AHH Editor Members, Moderators, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 45,666 Regulator
    The_Jackal wrote: »
    Ol Jay's wrote: »
    people willingly tell on themselves all day everyday on social media, what's new

    Again that in noway justifies a company from recording our private conversation.

    *devil's advocate post*

    If you do it in public how is it private anymore ?

    If a woman on the IC has her nudes leaked what justification is there for yall to have to see em and save them for future use ?

    We're posting what we talk about on the IC every day on a public forum. Why would it be wrong for Greg or the folks at AHH to listen in to us and save these conversations ?
  • The_Jackal
    The_Jackal Members Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The_Jackal wrote: »
    Ol Jay's wrote: »
    people willingly tell on themselves all day everyday on social media, what's new

    Again that in noway justifies a company from recording our private conversation.

    Not sure how you can expect privacy on a PUBLIC bus my 🤬
    bkkbully wrote: »
    SMH @ any of y'all ok with this 🤬 .

    Sound like you need a car...

    🤬 it might as well record your conversation at your school, hospitals, city parks, 🤬 might as well place recording towers in front of your house. After all its all public space and as such a private conversation should automatically become public. That's how foolish you sound.

    It's not about having a car because I have one it's about boundaries being overstepped and you beING ok with it simply because your in public
  • D. Morgan
    D. Morgan Not even on social media BUT.... I'M SWAGGIN SO HARD I FUCKED THE GRAM UPMembers Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sion wrote: »
    D. Morgan wrote: »
    WTF is some of yall limits to this type of stuff when will yall feel this type of 🤬 has gone to far?

    I mean damn yall really feel its ok for conversations between people riding the bus to be recorded.

    They're going to justify it by saying it can prevent domestic terrorism and acts of chaos if they find out what the person is talking about before it happens SMMFH. Corporations will pay big money to find out what people are talking about so they can learn more about the consumer, etc.

    This is already understood. My question is to the people who seem to have no problems every time the government steps this 🤬 up as where they are putting cameras and recording people at. Where do yall draw the line?
  • babelipsss
    babelipsss Members Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2016
    Why should audio recording be considered more intrusive than a video recording?
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