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Arizona deputy may have lied about being shot

Hyde ParkeHyde Parke Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭
edited September 2010 in The Social Lounge
Doctors raise doubts about Ariz. deputy's shooting
By BOB CHRISTIE (AP) – 23 minutes ago
PHOENIX — Two nationally known forensic pathologists are questioning a sheriff deputy's version of how he was shot in the remote desert south of Phoenix, adding to theories that the incident was a hoax timed to enflame the debate over illegal immigration.
Pinal County Deputy Louie Puroll told investigators he was following a group of smugglers carrying bales of marijuana on April 30 when he was ambushed by men firing AK-47 rifles. In what Puroll described as a running gunbattle, he said he was grazed by a bullet in the back.
The pathologists, Dr. Michael Baden of New York and Dr. Werner Spitz of suburban Detroit, examined photos of the wound released by the sheriff's office. They told The Associated Press on Friday they concluded the bullet was fired from inches away, not at least 25 yards as Puroll said.
Their opinion was first reported by the Phoenix New Times.
It's "a close wound, not a distant wound, based on the appearance of the skin around the wound, which is normally what we forensic pathologists look at," said Baden, a former New York City chief medical examiner currently working for the New York State Police. "We're talking inches, not yards."
Dr. Werner Spitz, former chief medical examiner of Detroit's Wayne County and author of a death investigation textbook, held the same opinion.
"There's almost no doubt that this is a muzzle contact-type injury, with the muzzle flame singeing the skin right where the bullet went by," Spitz said.
When asked if the bullet could have been from 25 yards away, he said: "No, it was not (even) from 1 yard away."
Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu was out of town in meetings Friday, but his spokesman released a statement saying the sheriff's office stands behind the official investigation, and physical evidence supports the deputy's account.
There were no burn marks on Puroll's shirt and his wound had no stippling, which is caused from burnt gun powder coming from the barrel of a gun when fired at a close distance, the statement said.
"The article that is critical of the investigation was written by a reporter who was able to solicit opinions of those with differing views," the statement said. "After a review all of the evidence in this case, the Pinal County Sheriff's Office has closed this criminal investigation and concluded that it occurred as Deputy Puroll reported it."
Baden said it appeared that Puroll's shirt did have what appeared to be powder burns. The New Times reported that it was not sent to the state police lab for examination.
Puroll's shooting fueled an already blazing debate in Arizona and the nation about the dangers of immigrant and drug smugglers in southern Arizona. It came just days after Arizona Gov. Janet Brewer signed a sweeping law giving law enforcement powers to question suspected illegal immigrants and arrest them. The major parts of that law have been put on hold by a federal judge on constitutional grounds.
The shooting immediately raised questions from observers who believed it was odd that the deputy was alone in the remote desert, supposedly looking for armed drug smugglers without backup. And a dragnet thrown up by more than 100 officers in the rugged mountainous area about 50 miles south of Phoenix found no suspects and no bales of marijuana, although it did turn up more than a dozen illegal immigrants.
The area is a well-known smuggling corridor for drugs and illegal immigrants headed from Mexico to Phoenix and the U.S. interior.
Shortly after the shooting, Babeu discounted those questioning his deputy, releasing reports that he said should squelch rumors that Puroll set up the incident as a hoax to inflame the public.
Babeu did change sheriff's policy to prohibit deputies from patrolling remote areas alone.
Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

what is this world coming to?smh

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  • ThaChozenWunThaChozenWun Posts: 9,390
    edited September 2010
    SMH Shit is pathetic. Dude should be fired, fined, and sentenced to jail. It will likely happen, but I can't wait to see it happen.



    Hope dude gets raped by a group of Mexicans while he's in there.
  • Hyde ParkeHyde Parke Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    SMH Shit is pathetic. Dude should be fired, fined, and sentenced to jail. It will likely happen, but I can't wait to see it happen.



    Hope dude gets raped by a group of Mexicans while he's in there.


    now i agree with you on that.
  • Hyde ParkeHyde Parke Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    kai_valya wrote: »
    u can't fool the forensics, when will people learn this

    for sho, and Dr Baden is one of the best forensics pathologist in this country.
  • Hyde ParkeHyde Parke Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    kai_valya wrote: »
    i'm very familiar wit Dr braden's work, he's a brilliant man. u won't believe some of the things i see people be trying to get away wit either


    Hey Kai, we may have some stories to exchange lol..What is it that you do? i do special units investigations. I deal with the criminally minded on a daily basis. I work indirectly with the forensics specialists.If any discrepancies are found, I turn them over to to forensics for further review. I have seen so many things in such a short time. Most of the time people give themselves away, by their body language. Like when asking them a question, their mouth says no, but their head is nodding up and down saying yes. Or how their stories change slightly when you ask them the exact same thing a day later. It goes on and on. I especially appreciate forensics, for when you cannot determine actual guilt, forensics provides the concrete proof. I dont enjoy dealing with liars, but i love what I do, wouldnt trade it for anything.
  • Swiffness!Swiffness! PART OF THE CONSPIRACY Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    "what is this world coming to"?

    lol, its just a idiot dirty cop

    like THAT's new
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  • Hyde ParkeHyde Parke Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Swiffness! wrote: »
    "what is this world coming to"?

    lol, its just a idiot dirty cop

    like THAT's new

    yeah, theres probably not one simple mind that would disagree with you.
  • tri3wtri3w Posts: 3,142 ✭✭
    edited September 2010
    SMH Shit is pathetic. Dude should be fired, fined, and sentenced to jail. It will likely happen, but I can't wait to see it happen.



    Hope dude gets raped by a group of Mexicans while he's in there.

    Wooooooooooooa......kinmda crazy there buddy
  • Hyde ParkeHyde Parke Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    tri3w wrote: »
    Wooooooooooooa......kinmda crazy there buddy

    dont mind Chozen, he was just trolling..just agree with him to further trip him out.
    kai_valya wrote: »
    i'm an anatomic pathologists assistant. basically, i do the bulk of the dissection during the autopsy, while the pathologist (which is an MD) basically analyzes all specimens we collect and stuff. i see a lot of people dying from doing dumb stuff, like last week there was a young girl that died cuz she burned to death from her father pouring gasoline into a fire pit.

    i have seen a lot of times people try to cover up murders by drowning the victim or burning them, i don't think they understand we can tell if a person was alive or dead when they drowned/burned. i've only had it happen once, but like 2 years ago, a suspicious death came in. the wife was saying that he had food poisoning to explain his symptoms. so we open him up and the instant i opened that chest cavity, i got hit by the most overpowering smell of bitter almonds. and you know what the smell of bitter almonds means, he had been poisoned wit cyanide. what's so crazy is that only half the population can smell cyanide like that and i was the only one in the room of 5 that could smell it. glad i did cuz it's still dangerous to inhale. i have stories for days. i see too many young people coming thru our doors tho, it's sad


    yes Kai, very interesting. In the near future we should probably do a thread on this, what you do, provides alot of insight into my line of work.
  • ThaChozenWunThaChozenWun Posts: 9,390
    edited September 2010
    Hyde Parke wrote: »
    dont mind Chozen, he was just trolling..just agree with him to further trip him out.

    Actually no, I was being serious.

    For someone who claims to be into psychology you sure are fuckin terrible at it.
  • Hyde ParkeHyde Parke Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Actually no, I was being serious.

    For someone who claims to be into psychology you sure are fuckin terrible at it.


    ha ha ha, you are so predictable, now what would bring you back into the thread after you already stated your opinion as the 1st reply in this thread. two replies were made to your comment, none of which you replied to, yet by some strange , unknown phenomenon you are in here replying to me calling you on your bullshit? you fell for it, just as i had anticipated. Ha, ha...no psychology is needed to pull your card son, you are obvious with it, a two year old could spot the same thing.
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