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Is Scottie Pippen Top 5 SF Alltime?

Ibex
Ibex Members Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 2010 in From the Cheap Seats
Me and a friend of mind were discussing this, and I think Pip is severely underrated. MJ would have no rings without Pip, he basically ran the point on 6 championship teams and was a lockdown defender, but for some reason Pip is always slighted. My Top 5 alltime SF is looking like this

1. Julius Erving
2. Larry Bird
3. Elgin Baylor
4. Scottie Pippen
5. LeBron James(Yea don't hate)
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  • Miami6
    Miami6 Confirm Email Posts: 1,290
    edited September 2010
    definately underated in the league.....it wasnt easy playing with MJ but he held his own..and mj never won titles without scottie..............
    i agree wit pip in a top 5 SF list
  • juice86
    juice86 Members Posts: 832
    edited September 2010
    Pippen is number one in my book, I like bird and erving but pippen is the man hands down
  • caddo man
    caddo man Failure is success in progress! Members Posts: 22,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/65065-top-10-nba-small-forwards-of-all-time
    10. James "Big Game" Worthy
    Worthy was one of the key players on the legendary Showtime Lakers teams in the 1980s. He fit perfectly with the team, as he was exceptional in the open floor and was one of the greatest finishers near the basket of all time.
    In his 12-year career, he had averages of 17.6 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 3.1 assists, along with 1.1 steals and 0.7 blocks per game. He also shot a fantastic 52.1 percent from the field and 76.9 percent from the free-throw line.
    He was selected to the All Star team seven times and was selected to the All NBA team twice, with both of the selections being on the third team. He was also one of the best big-game performers (opposite of Lamar Odom) as he was nicknamed "Big Game" James.
    He helped the Lakers win three championships and he also won the 1988 Finals MVP, as the Lakers defeated the Pistons in seven games. Finally, he had one of the greatest Finals performances in Game Seven, as he scored 36 points, grabbed 16 rebounds, and had 10 assists.

    9. Alex English
    English was one of the greatest scorers of all time, as he is 12th all time in total points with 25,613 career points. He had career averages of 21.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 0.9 steals, and 0.7 blocks per game. He also shot a tremendous 50.7 percent from the field and 83.2 percent from the free-throw line.
    He was selected to eight All Star teams and was also selected to the All NBA team three times, with all of the selections on the second team. He won one scoring title in the 1982-1983 season and led the league in total points twice.

    8. Adrian Dantley
    Dantley was also one of the greatest offensive players of all time, as he ranks 18th all time with 23,177 total points. His career averages were 24.3 points, 5.7 rebounds, and three assists per game, along with one steal. He also shot an unheard of 54 percent from the field and a great 81.8 percent from the free throw line.
    He was selected to six All Star teams in his career, along with winning the 1977 Rookie of the Year Award. He was also selected to the All NBA team twice, with both selections as a member of the second team. Finally, he won two scoring titles and averaged over 30 points per game in three different seasons.

    7. Dominique Wilkins "The Human Highlight Film"

    Wilkins was one of the most exciting and entertaining players in the history of the league. In his career, he averaged a superb 24.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 2.5 assists per game. He also averaged 1.3 steals and shot 46.1 percent from the field and 81.1 percent from the free-throw line. He ranks seventh all time in total points with 26,668 in his career.
    He was selected to nine All Star teams and was selected to seven All NBA teams, with one of them on the first team and four of them on the second team. Finally, he won one scoring title in the 1985-1986 season and averaged over 30 points per game in two seasons.

    6. Scottie Pippen
    Pippen was one of the most all-around offensive players of all time and one of the five greatest perimeter defensive players ever. He averaged 16.1 points, 6.4 rebounds, 5.2 assists, two steals, and 0.8 blocks per game. He also shot a solid 47.3 percent from the field and 70.4 percent from the free-throw line.
    He was selected to seven All Star teams and was also selected to the All NBA team seven times, with three of the selections on the first team. He was also selected to 10 All NBA defensive teams, with eight of the selections as a member of the first team.
    Finally, he helped the Bulls win two different sets of three-peats in the 1990s, six overall.

    5. Rick Barry
    Barry is one of the most underrated players of all time, as he averaged an amazing 23.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, five assists, and two steals per game, as he was one of the most all-around players ever. He also shot a solid 45 percent from the field and an unbelievable 90 percent from the free-throw line.
    Barry was also selected to seven All Star teams and to the All NBA team five times, with four of them on the first team. He also won the 1966 Rookie of the Year Award. He also won a scoring title, as he averaged 35.6 points in the 1966-1967 season.
    He also led the Golden State Warriors to a championship in the 1974-1975 season. He won the Finals MVP in the 1975 Finals as his Warriors swept the Bullets.

    4. Julius Erving "Doctor J"
    "Doctor J" was one of the most entertaining and athletic players of all time. As the face of the NBA for several years, he averaged 22 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 3.9 assists, along with a fantastic 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks. He also shot a fantastic 50.7 percent from the field and 77.7 percent from the free-throw line.
    The Doctor was selected to 11 All Star teams and was also selected to the All NBA team six times, with four of the selections as a member of the first team. He also won the MVP Award in the 1980-1981 season and two All Star game MVP's. Finally, he led the Sixers to a championship in the 1982-1983 season.

    3. Elgin Baylor
    Baylor is probably the most underrated player of all time. In his 14-year career, he averaged a fantastic 27.4 points, 13.5 rebounds, and 4.3 assists per game. He also shot 43.1 percent from the field and 78 percent from the free-throw line.
    He also had one of the greatest statistical seasons ever in the 1961-1962 season, as he averaged 38.3 points and 18.6 rebounds, along with 4.6 assists.
    Baylor was selected to 11 All Star teams and an unbelievable 10 times on the All NBA team, with all of the selections as a member of the first team. He also won the Rookie of the Year Award in 1959 and the All-Star Game MVP in 1959.
    He ranks fifth all-time in career points per game, but he never won a ring, as his Lakers repeatedly lost to the Celtics in the Finals.

    2. John Havlicek
    Havlicek was one of the most all-around players at both ends of the court. He averaged 20.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 4.8 assists, along with 1.2 steals. He also shot 44 percent from the field and 81.5 percent from the free throw line. He also ranks 10th all time in the NBA, with 26,395 career points.
    He was selected to 13 All Star teams and to the All NBA team 11 times, with seven of the selections on the second team and four on the first team.
    He was also selected to the All NBA Defense team eight times, with five of the selections on the first team. He also helped the Celtics win eight championships and finally he won the 1974 Finals MVP, as he led the Celtics over the Kareem-led Bucks in seven games.

    1. Larry Bird
    Bird is one of the five greatest players of all time. He averaged an amazing 24.3 points, 10 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 1.7 steals, and 0.8 blocks. He also shot a fantastic 49.6 percent from the field, 37.6 percent from the three-point line, and 88.6 percent from the free-throw line. He was selected to 12 All Star teams in his 13-year career.
    He was also one of the most clutch players of all time, as he had several legendary performances in the playoffs and several game-winning shots. He also led the Celtics to three championships in the 1980s. He was also selected to the All NBA team 10 times, with nine of the selections on the first team.
    Bird also won three consecutive MVP awards from 1983 to 1986, one All-Star Game MVP, and two Finals MVP awards. He also won the 1980 Rookie of the Year Award. Finally, he and Magic revived the NBA with their legendary rivalry in the 1980s after the league's popularity dropped in the late '70s.

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-NBA-Small-Forwards-of-All-Time
    10. Scottie Pippen. 6 Championships. one of the best defenders at the small forward spot to play the game. excellent passer, great on the fast break, solid mid range jump shot.
  • Miami6
    Miami6 Confirm Email Posts: 1,290
    edited September 2010
    Ibex wrote: »
    Me and a friend of mind were discussing this, and I think Pip is severely underrated. MJ would have no rings without Pip, he basically ran the point on 6 championship teams and was a lockdown defender, but for some reason Pip is always slighted. My Top 5 alltime SF is looking like this

    1. Julius Erving
    2. Larry Bird
    3. Elgin Baylor
    4. Scottie Pippen
    5. LeBron James(Yea don't hate)


    its such a hard list...(top 5) what about john havilcheck? dominique wilkins? rick barry? adrian dantley? alex english and james worthy?......its crazy lebron is already 2 time mvp..he will be number one SF when its all said and done though...........
  • Ibex
    Ibex Members Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    caddo man wrote: »
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/65065-top-10-nba-small-forwards-of-all-time
    10. James "Big Game" Worthy
    Worthy was one of the key players on the legendary Showtime Lakers teams in the 1980s. He fit perfectly with the team, as he was exceptional in the open floor and was one of the greatest finishers near the basket of all time.
    In his 12-year career, he had averages of 17.6 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 3.1 assists, along with 1.1 steals and 0.7 blocks per game. He also shot a fantastic 52.1 percent from the field and 76.9 percent from the free-throw line.
    He was selected to the All Star team seven times and was selected to the All NBA team twice, with both of the selections being on the third team. He was also one of the best big-game performers (opposite of Lamar Odom) as he was nicknamed "Big Game" James.
    He helped the Lakers win three championships and he also won the 1988 Finals MVP, as the Lakers defeated the Pistons in seven games. Finally, he had one of the greatest Finals performances in Game Seven, as he scored 36 points, grabbed 16 rebounds, and had 10 assists.

    9. Alex English
    English was one of the greatest scorers of all time, as he is 12th all time in total points with 25,613 career points. He had career averages of 21.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 0.9 steals, and 0.7 blocks per game. He also shot a tremendous 50.7 percent from the field and 83.2 percent from the free-throw line.
    He was selected to eight All Star teams and was also selected to the All NBA team three times, with all of the selections on the second team. He won one scoring title in the 1982-1983 season and led the league in total points twice.

    8. Adrian Dantley
    Dantley was also one of the greatest offensive players of all time, as he ranks 18th all time with 23,177 total points. His career averages were 24.3 points, 5.7 rebounds, and three assists per game, along with one steal. He also shot an unheard of 54 percent from the field and a great 81.8 percent from the free throw line.
    He was selected to six All Star teams in his career, along with winning the 1977 Rookie of the Year Award. He was also selected to the All NBA team twice, with both selections as a member of the second team. Finally, he won two scoring titles and averaged over 30 points per game in three different seasons.

    7. Dominique Wilkins "The Human Highlight Film"

    Wilkins was one of the most exciting and entertaining players in the history of the league. In his career, he averaged a superb 24.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 2.5 assists per game. He also averaged 1.3 steals and shot 46.1 percent from the field and 81.1 percent from the free-throw line. He ranks seventh all time in total points with 26,668 in his career.
    He was selected to nine All Star teams and was selected to seven All NBA teams, with one of them on the first team and four of them on the second team. Finally, he won one scoring title in the 1985-1986 season and averaged over 30 points per game in two seasons.

    6. Scottie Pippen
    Pippen was one of the most all-around offensive players of all time and one of the five greatest perimeter defensive players ever. He averaged 16.1 points, 6.4 rebounds, 5.2 assists, two steals, and 0.8 blocks per game. He also shot a solid 47.3 percent from the field and 70.4 percent from the free-throw line.
    He was selected to seven All Star teams and was also selected to the All NBA team seven times, with three of the selections on the first team. He was also selected to 10 All NBA defensive teams, with eight of the selections as a member of the first team.
    Finally, he helped the Bulls win two different sets of three-peats in the 1990s, six overall.

    5. Rick Barry
    Barry is one of the most underrated players of all time, as he averaged an amazing 23.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, five assists, and two steals per game, as he was one of the most all-around players ever. He also shot a solid 45 percent from the field and an unbelievable 90 percent from the free-throw line.
    Barry was also selected to seven All Star teams and to the All NBA team five times, with four of them on the first team. He also won the 1966 Rookie of the Year Award. He also won a scoring title, as he averaged 35.6 points in the 1966-1967 season.
    He also led the Golden State Warriors to a championship in the 1974-1975 season. He won the Finals MVP in the 1975 Finals as his Warriors swept the Bullets.

    4. Julius Erving "Doctor J"
    "Doctor J" was one of the most entertaining and athletic players of all time. As the face of the NBA for several years, he averaged 22 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 3.9 assists, along with a fantastic 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks. He also shot a fantastic 50.7 percent from the field and 77.7 percent from the free-throw line.
    The Doctor was selected to 11 All Star teams and was also selected to the All NBA team six times, with four of the selections as a member of the first team. He also won the MVP Award in the 1980-1981 season and two All Star game MVP's. Finally, he led the Sixers to a championship in the 1982-1983 season.

    3. Elgin Baylor
    Baylor is probably the most underrated player of all time. In his 14-year career, he averaged a fantastic 27.4 points, 13.5 rebounds, and 4.3 assists per game. He also shot 43.1 percent from the field and 78 percent from the free-throw line.
    He also had one of the greatest statistical seasons ever in the 1961-1962 season, as he averaged 38.3 points and 18.6 rebounds, along with 4.6 assists.
    Baylor was selected to 11 All Star teams and an unbelievable 10 times on the All NBA team, with all of the selections as a member of the first team. He also won the Rookie of the Year Award in 1959 and the All-Star Game MVP in 1959.
    He ranks fifth all-time in career points per game, but he never won a ring, as his Lakers repeatedly lost to the Celtics in the Finals.

    2. John Havlicek
    Havlicek was one of the most all-around players at both ends of the court. He averaged 20.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 4.8 assists, along with 1.2 steals. He also shot 44 percent from the field and 81.5 percent from the free throw line. He also ranks 10th all time in the NBA, with 26,395 career points.
    He was selected to 13 All Star teams and to the All NBA team 11 times, with seven of the selections on the second team and four on the first team.
    He was also selected to the All NBA Defense team eight times, with five of the selections on the first team. He also helped the Celtics win eight championships and finally he won the 1974 Finals MVP, as he led the Celtics over the Kareem-led Bucks in seven games.

    1. Larry Bird
    Bird is one of the five greatest players of all time. He averaged an amazing 24.3 points, 10 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 1.7 steals, and 0.8 blocks. He also shot a fantastic 49.6 percent from the field, 37.6 percent from the three-point line, and 88.6 percent from the free-throw line. He was selected to 12 All Star teams in his 13-year career.
    He was also one of the most clutch players of all time, as he had several legendary performances in the playoffs and several game-winning shots. He also led the Celtics to three championships in the 1980s. He was also selected to the All NBA team 10 times, with nine of the selections on the first team.
    Bird also won three consecutive MVP awards from 1983 to 1986, one All-Star Game MVP, and two Finals MVP awards. He also won the 1980 Rookie of the Year Award. Finally, he and Magic revived the NBA with their legendary rivalry in the 1980s after the league's popularity dropped in the late '70s.

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-NBA-Small-Forwards-of-All-Time
    10. Scottie Pippen. 6 Championships. one of the best defenders at the small forward spot to play the game. excellent passer, great on the fast break, solid mid range jump shot.

    This whole article became invalid when John Havlicek was listed at #2 alltime SF....🤬 ARE YOU SERIOUS???
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Obviously. Pippen should make everyone's top 5 SFs no question.
  • ysl313
    ysl313 Members Posts: 9,866 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    imo, he top ten...stuck at the fifth/fourth spot

    1. Bird
    2. Eriving
    3. Baylor
    4. Nique
    5. Pippen
  • melanated khemist
    melanated khemist Members Posts: 608 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    YES! 1 of the top 5 all @ players ever
  • caddo man
    caddo man Failure is success in progress! Members Posts: 22,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Ibex wrote: »
    This whole article became invalid when John Havlicek was listed at #2 alltime SF....🤬 ARE YOU SERIOUS???

    Both of those are from Fansites! No experts. Havent seen a expert list yet!
  • MillzOG
    MillzOG OG Members, Moderators Posts: 14,508 Regulator
    edited September 2010
    Scottie Pippen better than Dominique Wilkins, word?
  • Ibex
    Ibex Members Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Scottie Pippen better than Dominique Wilkins, word?

    I think that's debatable....Wilkins was a way better scorer but, Pippen's ball handling (NH) and defense was far superior
  • C.Melendez
    C.Melendez Members Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    yes he's in the top 5
    DR J
    Larry Bird
    Elgin Baylor
    Scottie Pippen
    5th??? LBJ Wilkins or Grant Hill
  • C.Melendez
    C.Melendez Members Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Oh Jordan wouldn't win a ring without Scottie????? C'mon love Scottie but Jordan woulda got his rings maybe not 6 but atleast 4....Jordan is a go getter...he woulda demand the owners to bring somebody in plus he demanded so much from his teammates he made mediocre players look good.....even Randy Brown was a lockdown defender(try going to the locker room with Jordan after not playing Defense)

    1 more point Yes Scottie is better but you do know the Bulls didn't draft him right?... they traded him for Shawn Kemp during the draft b/c at the time they had Charles Oakley
  • Miami6
    Miami6 Confirm Email Posts: 1,290
    edited September 2010
    C.Melendez wrote: »
    yes he's in the top 5
    DR J
    Larry Bird
    Elgin Baylor
    Scottie Pippen
    5th??? LBJ Wilkins or Grant Hill

    grant hill?!?! i hope thats a shock post b/c tooooo many injuries 🤬 him up...
  • Chi-Town Bully
    Chi-Town Bully Members Posts: 29,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    C.Melendez wrote: »
    Oh Jordan wouldn't win a ring without Scottie????? C'mon love Scottie but Jordan woulda got his rings maybe not 6 but atleast 4....Jordan is a go getter...he woulda demand the owners to bring somebody in plus he demanded so much from his teammates he made mediocre players look good.....even Randy Brown was a lockdown defender(try going to the locker room with Jordan after not playing Defense)

    1 more point Yes Scottie is better but you do know the Bulls didn't draft him right?... they traded him for Shawn Kemp during the draft b/c at the time they had Charles Oakley

    Wrong, you saying jordan woulda won titles with olden polynice. To answer the thread i think he would rank # 2 under larry bird. And the bulls didnt trade shawn kemp for pippen they traded polynice
  • S.jR.
    S.jR. "Living, breathing exigent circumstances." Members Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Ya damn right.. Pippens defense ≥ most of those great players offense.. and he was no slouch on offense himself.
  • C.Melendez
    C.Melendez Members Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Wrong, you saying jordan woulda won titles with olden polynice. To answer the thread i think he would rank # 2 under larry bird. And the bulls didnt trade shawn kemp for pippen they traded polynice

    my sources maybe wrong but I think they correct they were swapped on draft night Kemp and Pippen ....remember the what if talks of the 90's what if scottie wasn't traded for Kemp on draft night....I think Polnice was drafted before Pip though

    @Grant Hill comment....Im not going by after injuries....we got to see Grant Put up some solid years before the injury but I think I give the 5th spot to Lebron.... Imay just be full of shock I still hold Carmelo in the top 10 sf's
  • ysl313
    ysl313 Members Posts: 9,866 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    YES! 1 of the top 5 all @ players ever

    🤬 ain't even the top sf's ever...🤬 ain't even top 20 players of all time 🤬 slime
  • Miami6
    Miami6 Confirm Email Posts: 1,290
    edited September 2010
    C.Melendez wrote: »
    my sources maybe wrong but I think they correct they were swapped on draft night Kemp and Pippen ....remember the what if talks of the 90's what if scottie wasn't traded for Kemp on draft night....I think Polnice was drafted before Pip though

    @Grant Hill comment....Im not going by after injuries....we got to see Grant Put up some solid years before the injury but I think I give the 5th spot to Lebron.... Imay just be full of shock I still hold Carmelo in the top 10 sf's

    carmelo...hes in top 20 though..NOT top 10...he just hasnt done enough for me to rank him in top 10
  • melanated khemist
    melanated khemist Members Posts: 608 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    ysl313 wrote: »
    🤬 ain't even the top sf's ever...🤬 ain't even top 20 players of all time 🤬 slime


    all around 🤬 , all @!
  • Tommy Billfiger
    Tommy Billfiger Banned Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭
    edited September 2010
    ysl313 wrote: »
    🤬 ain't even the top sf's ever...🤬 ain't even top 20 players of all time 🤬 slime

    Word.Pippen definitely aint better than dominique wilkins and grant hill neither.Grant hill had from 94-00 6 solid seasons as the leader and his numbers destroy scotties

    He top 7-8
  • dholt23
    dholt23 Members Posts: 839
    edited September 2010
    Ibex wrote: »
    Me and a friend of mind were discussing this, and I think Pip is severely underrated. MJ would have no rings without Pip, he basically ran the point on 6 championship teams and was a lockdown defender, but for some reason Pip is always slighted. My Top 5 alltime SF is looking like this

    1. Julius Erving
    2. Larry Bird
    3. Elgin Baylor
    4. Scottie Pippen
    5. LeBron James(Yea don't hate)

    da hell LJ at five you somking dat 🤬 pippen one of the best players ever he's top five sf
  • Chi-Town Bully
    Chi-Town Bully Members Posts: 29,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Word.Pippen definitely aint better than dominique wilkins and grant hill neither.Grant hill had from 94-00 6 solid seasons as the leader and his numbers destroy scotties

    He top 7-8

    But as far as their careers go scottie is miles ahead of grant hill
  • Ibex
    Ibex Members Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2010
    Word.Pippen definitely aint better than dominique wilkins and grant hill neither.Grant hill had from 94-00 6 solid seasons as the leader and his numbers destroy scotties

    He top 7-8

    Whether he's better then Nique is a matter of opinion...but Grant Hill? C'mon son...six good seasons can't equate to Scottie's entire career...I'm thinking you basing this off if Hill was healthy but he wasn't..You gonna play the "If" game Antonito McDyess would have been a 10 time allstar "If" he wasn't hurt
  • Tommy Billfiger
    Tommy Billfiger Banned Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭
    edited September 2010
    But as far as their careers go scottie is miles ahead of grant hill

    Only cuz grant hill never got to play wit MJ and scottie didnt break his ankle in his prime and have 4 surgeries on it

    Grant hill To me is a better player,but pippen gonna have the better career cuz of the titles