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Cornell University........White Frat Attacks Black man, Black Student Group Doesn't Want Africans

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  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    LordZuko wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    LordZuko wrote: »
    I dont play silly games. I am well aware of the negative perspective Africans have towards blacks.

    Smh.. Man growing up I was all sorts of Africa 🤬 scratches this.. King of zumunda that.. If Africans don't 🤬 with Black Americans it's more because of this as opposed to looking down on black Americans..

    The 🤬 ?.. Africans ain't black? We ain't the same? Smh..

    Man every dark skin 🤬 was an African 🤬 scratcher. But African immigrants who come over and go straight into the collegiate system don't suffer the same fate.

    Being called an African 🤬 scratcher no way compares to what Africans call black people. I forget the word now but you know what I'm talking about.

    Africans don't see themselves as Black until it's time to ride that Black American benefit train.

    This is BS.. Africans have a word for White people too.. Both are adjectives not offensive terms.. Sounds to me there is a fundamental disconnect that is based on miscommunication more so than anything.. Cuz again I'm African.. And I black American friends that I regard as brothers..

    you might be the rare person who does.

    Again that's BS.. Or maybe it's an NY thing.. It might be different in other places but we stand side by side with Black American's and Latino's especially in the hood..

    I'm a native New Yorker. New York is an entirely different world. And it took me years to come to that reality. Outside of the tristate when you mention latinos or hispanic people think Mexicans. Like word? I never met a Mexican until I moved down south. I only knew of Mexicans through movies and Boxing. Spanish speaking people in my world were Puerto Ricans, Domincans, and Cubans. Who came in every shade just like as American born Blacks.
  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    LUClEN wrote: »
    So 🤬 dont wanna compete no more? How ironic

    It's not that they don't want to compete. It's that they want a fair competition.

    American blacks have oppressed in ways that blacks from these other countries have not been. There is a big difference between colonialism and what American blacks have gone through, for example.

    U heard about boko haram b?

    You do realize that a lot of African countries been going through genocide for thousands of years?

    You do realize apartheid ended in 1994 waaay after jim crow?

    You do realize slavery is still going on in Africa and a lot of East Africans are subject to Arabian slavery where they even sell them on facebook?

    Educate yourself b.

    Apartheid was a consequence of British / Dutch colonization in South Africa. How is it America's duty to right that wrong?

    Its not about American righting a wrong in another country. Its this silly idea that black folks in other countries somehow have it easier which is stupid

    You're right. I think the larger issue is, not just Africans but foreigners in general come to the states educate themselves and then take those skills and potential tax dollars back to their own countries. So, while I personally accept our African brothers and sisters. I totally understand and some what support what these students are demanding. We are losing the opportunity to strengthen the Black American communities through higher education. Because, there's alot of truth to Africans not really giving a 🤬 about Black American issues. Which, is almost a slap in the face because, many Black Americans not only care but support Africans.

    But lets not pretend its all open arms and acceptance for black folks from other countries especially Africans. Being told theyre not really black, repeating white folks jokes about Africa about living in huts and being uncivilized. Like 🤬 don't remember 🤬 like "African 🤬 scratcher" or jokes about how dark skin they are...that it also a slap in the face

    There's no reason to pretend. But how about you move beyond elementary and junior high when we all were saying and doing ignorant 🤬 to each other? We are discussing an age group and demographic that is "educated".

    If we wanted to delve into animosity or feelings of contempt, Black Americans could feel some type of way because, of Africa and Africans lack of involvement\support of oppressed Blacks in America. In addition to the ass whippings and great Black men and women who gave their lives for not just Africans, but Asians etc to be able to carve out a living here in the states..
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In New Orleans.

    If you black you black. You don't get treated different at all if you from Africa or Spanish speaking countries.

    🤬 Mexicans though.
  • blackrain
    blackrain Members, Moderators Posts: 27,269 Regulator
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    LUClEN wrote: »
    So 🤬 dont wanna compete no more? How ironic

    It's not that they don't want to compete. It's that they want a fair competition.

    American blacks have oppressed in ways that blacks from these other countries have not been. There is a big difference between colonialism and what American blacks have gone through, for example.

    U heard about boko haram b?

    You do realize that a lot of African countries been going through genocide for thousands of years?

    You do realize apartheid ended in 1994 waaay after jim crow?

    You do realize slavery is still going on in Africa and a lot of East Africans are subject to Arabian slavery where they even sell them on facebook?

    Educate yourself b.

    Apartheid was a consequence of British / Dutch colonization in South Africa. How is it America's duty to right that wrong?

    Its not about American righting a wrong in another country. Its this silly idea that black folks in other countries somehow have it easier which is stupid

    You're right. I think the larger issue is, not just Africans but foreigners in general come to the states educate themselves and then take those skills and potential tax dollars back to their own countries. So, while I personally accept our African brothers and sisters. I totally understand and some what support what these students are demanding. We are losing the opportunity to strengthen the Black American communities through higher education. Because, there's alot of truth to Africans not really giving a 🤬 about Black American issues. Which, is almost a slap in the face because, many Black Americans not only care but support Africans.

    But lets not pretend its all open arms and acceptance for black folks from other countries especially Africans. Being told theyre not really black, repeating white folks jokes about Africa about living in huts and being uncivilized. Like 🤬 don't remember 🤬 like "African 🤬 scratcher" or jokes about how dark skin they are...that it also a slap in the face

    There's no reason to pretend. But how about you move beyond elementary and junior high when we all were saying and doing ignorant 🤬 to each other? We are discussing an age group and demographic that is "educated".

    If we wanted to delve into animosity or feelings of contempt, Black Americans could feel some type of way because, of Africa and Africans lack of involvement\support of oppressed Blacks in America. In addition to the ass whippings and great Black men and women who gave their lives for not just Africans, but Asians etc to be able to carve out a living here in the states..

    Even as an adult I've had conversations with people who are shocked that there are black people in Latin America...you want to talk education the average American has little clue of how the rest of the world outside the US operates and are shocked to find out 🤬 is different in many places. So your demographic ain't as educated as you would like to assume
  • blackrain
    blackrain Members, Moderators Posts: 27,269 Regulator
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    Smh... I wonder if they came together with those International students and perhaps talk to them about our internal issues... I don't see this happening with white Americans versus white Europeans

    Calling them international students is misleading. We are talking mostly about kids who were born and raised here. Went to the same schools and grew up on the same neighborhoods.. Granted I'm not there but are these kids not American?.. Like what's the problem? We all black..

    Everyone has to accept this in order for unity to happen. And in my experience Africans don't accept that fact. As it's been said already. They are Nigerian, South African, Ethiopian etc. Saying they are Black is a stain. It means they have sided with Black Americans. And foreigners don't want that designation. Black Americans are the scourge of American society. This has been broadcast around the world and that stereotype\perception is what people believe.

    Bro I'm African.. And I'm telling you we all black.. Nevermind the cultural differences.. We are all black period.. Anyone who says otherwise.. African America or first Gen African immigrant is out of Touch with reality.. We acknowledge our differences but we still know we all black..

    I am agreeing with you. We are all Black. Once you step foot on American soil you are Black. All that individual nationalistic jazz is off the table. However, you and I aren't the reality though. And again my opinions aren't exclusive to Africans. Spanish speaking Blacks are probably the worse of the lot.

    You talk education in one post yet make an ignorant statement here. If you were as educated as you thought then you would know more about all the very real clear elements of African culture that has shaped and still remains an important part of the culture of many Latin countries. From the style of dress to religious beliefs and practices, where do you think Santeria comes from its a mashup of African religions, to even the style of Spanish and the cadence in which it is spoken...but you're part of the demographic that should know this right?
  • Cinco
    Cinco Real Nigga Minerals Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 5,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2017
    There's some cultural differences. In school the Africans were clicked up. Nigerian chics wouldn't give the BR cats any play.
    But-- Some of my Kenyan and Nigerian patnas were the reason I made it thru a couple tough classes. They showed love

    Now at this Cornell... the same school where they are being called called n*ggas they fighting against each other. like @rasta said divide and conquer.
    Focus on the wrong thing
  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Who I am is Complex, What i am, simply put. I'm a Threat walking out the lions denGuests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    LUClEN wrote: »
    So 🤬 dont wanna compete no more? How ironic

    It's not that they don't want to compete. It's that they want a fair competition.

    American blacks have oppressed in ways that blacks from these other countries have not been. There is a big difference between colonialism and what American blacks have gone through, for example.

    U heard about boko haram b?

    You do realize that a lot of African countries been going through genocide for thousands of years?

    You do realize apartheid ended in 1994 waaay after jim crow?

    You do realize slavery is still going on in Africa and a lot of East Africans are subject to Arabian slavery where they even sell them on facebook?

    Educate yourself b.

    Apartheid was a consequence of British / Dutch colonization in South Africa. How is it America's duty to right that wrong?

    Its not about American righting a wrong in another country. Its this silly idea that black folks in other countries somehow have it easier which is stupid

    You're right. I think the larger issue is, not just Africans but foreigners in general come to the states educate themselves and then take those skills and potential tax dollars back to their own countries. So, while I personally accept our African brothers and sisters. I totally understand and some what support what these students are demanding. We are losing the opportunity to strengthen the Black American communities through higher education. Because, there's alot of truth to Africans not really giving a 🤬 about Black American issues. Which, is almost a slap in the face because, many Black Americans not only care but support Africans.

    But lets not pretend its all open arms and acceptance for black folks from other countries especially Africans. Being told theyre not really black, repeating white folks jokes about Africa about living in huts and being uncivilized. Like 🤬 don't remember 🤬 like "African 🤬 scratcher" or jokes about how dark skin they are...that it also a slap in the face

    There's no reason to pretend. But how about you move beyond elementary and junior high when we all were saying and doing ignorant 🤬 to each other? We are discussing an age group and demographic that is "educated".

    If we wanted to delve into animosity or feelings of contempt, Black Americans could feel some type of way because, of Africa and Africans lack of involvement\support of oppressed Blacks in America. In addition to the ass whippings and great Black men and women who gave their lives for not just Africans, but Asians etc to be able to carve out a living here in the states..

    Even as an adult I've had conversations with people who are shocked that there are black people in Latin America...you want to talk education the average American has little clue of how the rest of the world outside the US operates and are shocked to find out 🤬 is different in many places. So your demographic ain't as educated as you would like to assume

    yea...i feel stupid sometimes with what i thought about the rest of the world.

    running into to so many black people in europe.....i can kinda see why they look at black americans the way they do. i dont like it but i understand where they coming from.

    same with africans...i get it. i dont like it but i get it
  • Busta Carmichael
    Busta Carmichael IC Hall Of Famer, LOT Members, Moderators Posts: 13,161 Regulator
    The only black president America has was an African but he ain't 🤬 ?

    He didn't have to struggle?
  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    Smh... I wonder if they came together with those International students and perhaps talk to them about our internal issues... I don't see this happening with white Americans versus white Europeans

    Calling them international students is misleading. We are talking mostly about kids who were born and raised here. Went to the same schools and grew up on the same neighborhoods.. Granted I'm not there but are these kids not American?.. Like what's the problem? We all black..

    Everyone has to accept this in order for unity to happen. And in my experience Africans don't accept that fact. As it's been said already. They are Nigerian, South African, Ethiopian etc. Saying they are Black is a stain. It means they have sided with Black Americans. And foreigners don't want that designation. Black Americans are the scourge of American society. This has been broadcast around the world and that stereotype\perception is what people believe.

    Bro I'm African.. And I'm telling you we all black.. Nevermind the cultural differences.. We are all black period.. Anyone who says otherwise.. African America or first Gen African immigrant is out of Touch with reality.. We acknowledge our differences but we still know we all black..

    I am agreeing with you. We are all Black. Once you step foot on American soil you are Black. All that individual nationalistic jazz is off the table. However, you and I aren't the reality though. And again my opinions aren't exclusive to Africans. Spanish speaking Blacks are probably the worse of the lot.

    You talk education in one post yet make an ignorant statement here. If you were as educated as you thought then you would know more about all the very real clear elements of African culture that has shaped and still remains an important part of the culture of many Latin countries. From the style of dress to religious beliefs and practices, where do you think Santeria comes from its a mashup of African religions, to even the style of Spanish and the cadence in which it is spoken...but you're part of the demographic that should know this right?


    I am addressing people who migrate to the US and are ignorant of America's racial divide. white supremacy in the U.S. doesn't discriminate against American Blacks and Latin Blacks. They are all Black to them. That is the reality. Latinos or otherwise that continue to honor their African culture has jack 🤬 to do with accepting what being Black in America actually means. In addition listening to American Blacks who have been fighting this system since slavery.

    So, miss me with your elementary assed responses. I know plenty well about Africa's influence the world over. Get on topic or 🤬 .
  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    LUClEN wrote: »
    So 🤬 dont wanna compete no more? How ironic

    It's not that they don't want to compete. It's that they want a fair competition.

    American blacks have oppressed in ways that blacks from these other countries have not been. There is a big difference between colonialism and what American blacks have gone through, for example.

    U heard about boko haram b?

    You do realize that a lot of African countries been going through genocide for thousands of years?

    You do realize apartheid ended in 1994 waaay after jim crow?

    You do realize slavery is still going on in Africa and a lot of East Africans are subject to Arabian slavery where they even sell them on facebook?

    Educate yourself b.

    Apartheid was a consequence of British / Dutch colonization in South Africa. How is it America's duty to right that wrong?

    Its not about American righting a wrong in another country. Its this silly idea that black folks in other countries somehow have it easier which is stupid

    You're right. I think the larger issue is, not just Africans but foreigners in general come to the states educate themselves and then take those skills and potential tax dollars back to their own countries. So, while I personally accept our African brothers and sisters. I totally understand and some what support what these students are demanding. We are losing the opportunity to strengthen the Black American communities through higher education. Because, there's alot of truth to Africans not really giving a 🤬 about Black American issues. Which, is almost a slap in the face because, many Black Americans not only care but support Africans.

    But lets not pretend its all open arms and acceptance for black folks from other countries especially Africans. Being told theyre not really black, repeating white folks jokes about Africa about living in huts and being uncivilized. Like 🤬 don't remember 🤬 like "African 🤬 scratcher" or jokes about how dark skin they are...that it also a slap in the face

    There's no reason to pretend. But how about you move beyond elementary and junior high when we all were saying and doing ignorant 🤬 to each other? We are discussing an age group and demographic that is "educated".

    If we wanted to delve into animosity or feelings of contempt, Black Americans could feel some type of way because, of Africa and Africans lack of involvement\support of oppressed Blacks in America. In addition to the ass whippings and great Black men and women who gave their lives for not just Africans, but Asians etc to be able to carve out a living here in the states..

    Even as an adult I've had conversations with people who are shocked that there are black people in Latin America...you want to talk education the average American has little clue of how the rest of the world outside the US operates and are shocked to find out 🤬 is different in many places. So your demographic ain't as educated as you would like to assume

    yea...i feel stupid sometimes with what i thought about the rest of the world.

    running into to so many black people in europe.....i can kinda see why they look at black americans the way they do. i dont like it but i understand where they coming from.

    same with africans...i get it. i dont like it but i get it

    Then that would make you ignorant just like foreigners who make the decision to come to the states. How the hell do you move to another country, or visit another country and you are ignorant of that countries current and past history?
  • Busta Carmichael
    Busta Carmichael IC Hall Of Famer, LOT Members, Moderators Posts: 13,161 Regulator
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    LordZuko wrote: »
    I dont play silly games. I am well aware of the negative perspective Africans have towards blacks.

    Smh.. Man growing up I was all sorts of Africa 🤬 scratches this.. King of zumunda that.. If Africans don't 🤬 with Black Americans it's more because of this as opposed to looking down on black Americans..

    The 🤬 ?.. Africans ain't black? We ain't the same? Smh..

    Africans are Black. Problem is, many don't identify as such once here in the states. They identify according to their country of origin.

    And so do the carribean folk.

    Have yet to hear a complaint in here about people calling themselves Jamaican, Haitian, Trini or whatever.

    Hell no one in dipset is black American but they still black right?
  • blackrain
    blackrain Members, Moderators Posts: 27,269 Regulator
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    LUClEN wrote: »
    So 🤬 dont wanna compete no more? How ironic

    It's not that they don't want to compete. It's that they want a fair competition.

    American blacks have oppressed in ways that blacks from these other countries have not been. There is a big difference between colonialism and what American blacks have gone through, for example.

    U heard about boko haram b?

    You do realize that a lot of African countries been going through genocide for thousands of years?

    You do realize apartheid ended in 1994 waaay after jim crow?

    You do realize slavery is still going on in Africa and a lot of East Africans are subject to Arabian slavery where they even sell them on facebook?

    Educate yourself b.

    Apartheid was a consequence of British / Dutch colonization in South Africa. How is it America's duty to right that wrong?

    Its not about American righting a wrong in another country. Its this silly idea that black folks in other countries somehow have it easier which is stupid

    You're right. I think the larger issue is, not just Africans but foreigners in general come to the states educate themselves and then take those skills and potential tax dollars back to their own countries. So, while I personally accept our African brothers and sisters. I totally understand and some what support what these students are demanding. We are losing the opportunity to strengthen the Black American communities through higher education. Because, there's alot of truth to Africans not really giving a 🤬 about Black American issues. Which, is almost a slap in the face because, many Black Americans not only care but support Africans.

    But lets not pretend its all open arms and acceptance for black folks from other countries especially Africans. Being told theyre not really black, repeating white folks jokes about Africa about living in huts and being uncivilized. Like 🤬 don't remember 🤬 like "African 🤬 scratcher" or jokes about how dark skin they are...that it also a slap in the face

    There's no reason to pretend. But how about you move beyond elementary and junior high when we all were saying and doing ignorant 🤬 to each other? We are discussing an age group and demographic that is "educated".

    If we wanted to delve into animosity or feelings of contempt, Black Americans could feel some type of way because, of Africa and Africans lack of involvement\support of oppressed Blacks in America. In addition to the ass whippings and great Black men and women who gave their lives for not just Africans, but Asians etc to be able to carve out a living here in the states..

    Even as an adult I've had conversations with people who are shocked that there are black people in Latin America...you want to talk education the average American has little clue of how the rest of the world outside the US operates and are shocked to find out 🤬 is different in many places. So your demographic ain't as educated as you would like to assume

    yea...i feel stupid sometimes with what i thought about the rest of the world.

    running into to so many black people in europe.....i can kinda see why they look at black americans the way they do. i dont like it but i understand where they coming from.

    same with africans...i get it. i dont like it but i get it

    Its the idea that if you don't "look" how they think you should then to many Americans you just can't be anything else. I've said before on here how growing up people didn't believe my own mother was my real mom because of how light she is. Just ignorant to the concept of how different black people look and the different shades we come in. And it still happens as an adult. My son is lighter than me with curly ass hair and I get asked all the time "what is he mixed with?" Because people simply just assume 🤬 . That's why I think the point brought up about education and age is moot because those ignorant ideas dont just stop with childhood jokes. Those ideaa get passed down from somebody parents. Kids dont just make that 🤬 up out of thin air
  • Swiffness!
    Swiffness! PART OF THE CONSPIRACY Members Posts: 10,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol this 🤬 really said Africa wasn't affected by slavery tho......Willie Lynch still got game like MUTHAFUCKA!

    Somebody in this thread got pushed to the ground by a Nigerian kid during recess
  • blackrain
    blackrain Members, Moderators Posts: 27,269 Regulator
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    Smh... I wonder if they came together with those International students and perhaps talk to them about our internal issues... I don't see this happening with white Americans versus white Europeans

    Calling them international students is misleading. We are talking mostly about kids who were born and raised here. Went to the same schools and grew up on the same neighborhoods.. Granted I'm not there but are these kids not American?.. Like what's the problem? We all black..

    Everyone has to accept this in order for unity to happen. And in my experience Africans don't accept that fact. As it's been said already. They are Nigerian, South African, Ethiopian etc. Saying they are Black is a stain. It means they have sided with Black Americans. And foreigners don't want that designation. Black Americans are the scourge of American society. This has been broadcast around the world and that stereotype\perception is what people believe.

    Bro I'm African.. And I'm telling you we all black.. Nevermind the cultural differences.. We are all black period.. Anyone who says otherwise.. African America or first Gen African immigrant is out of Touch with reality.. We acknowledge our differences but we still know we all black..

    I am agreeing with you. We are all Black. Once you step foot on American soil you are Black. All that individual nationalistic jazz is off the table. However, you and I aren't the reality though. And again my opinions aren't exclusive to Africans. Spanish speaking Blacks are probably the worse of the lot.

    You talk education in one post yet make an ignorant statement here. If you were as educated as you thought then you would know more about all the very real clear elements of African culture that has shaped and still remains an important part of the culture of many Latin countries. From the style of dress to religious beliefs and practices, where do you think Santeria comes from its a mashup of African religions, to even the style of Spanish and the cadence in which it is spoken...but you're part of the demographic that should know this right?


    I am addressing people who migrate to the US and are ignorant of America's racial divide. white supremacy in the U.S. doesn't discriminate against American Blacks and Latin Blacks. They are all Black to them. That is the reality. Latinos or otherwise that continue to honor their African culture has jack 🤬 to do with accepting what being Black in America actually means. In addition listening to American Blacks who have been fighting this system since slavery.

    So, miss me with your elementary assed responses. I know plenty well about Africa's influence the world over. Get on topic or 🤬 .

    And Americans are ignorant to how and why black folks from outside the US come to thr states with the mindsets that they do and how the interactions and comments by blacks in America contribute to that. Being black all over the world has generally the same damn meaning so you not expressing or exposing somebody to a new concept.

    But this idea that foreign blacks deny being black simply because they dont immediately identify with being black American is stupid
  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Who I am is Complex, What i am, simply put. I'm a Threat walking out the lions denGuests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only black president America has was an African but he ain't 🤬 ?

    He didn't have to struggle?

    according to some....he didnt compared to the inner city black americans
  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Who I am is Complex, What i am, simply put. I'm a Threat walking out the lions denGuests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    LUClEN wrote: »
    So 🤬 dont wanna compete no more? How ironic

    It's not that they don't want to compete. It's that they want a fair competition.

    American blacks have oppressed in ways that blacks from these other countries have not been. There is a big difference between colonialism and what American blacks have gone through, for example.

    U heard about boko haram b?

    You do realize that a lot of African countries been going through genocide for thousands of years?

    You do realize apartheid ended in 1994 waaay after jim crow?

    You do realize slavery is still going on in Africa and a lot of East Africans are subject to Arabian slavery where they even sell them on facebook?

    Educate yourself b.

    Apartheid was a consequence of British / Dutch colonization in South Africa. How is it America's duty to right that wrong?

    Its not about American righting a wrong in another country. Its this silly idea that black folks in other countries somehow have it easier which is stupid

    You're right. I think the larger issue is, not just Africans but foreigners in general come to the states educate themselves and then take those skills and potential tax dollars back to their own countries. So, while I personally accept our African brothers and sisters. I totally understand and some what support what these students are demanding. We are losing the opportunity to strengthen the Black American communities through higher education. Because, there's alot of truth to Africans not really giving a 🤬 about Black American issues. Which, is almost a slap in the face because, many Black Americans not only care but support Africans.

    But lets not pretend its all open arms and acceptance for black folks from other countries especially Africans. Being told theyre not really black, repeating white folks jokes about Africa about living in huts and being uncivilized. Like 🤬 don't remember 🤬 like "African 🤬 scratcher" or jokes about how dark skin they are...that it also a slap in the face

    There's no reason to pretend. But how about you move beyond elementary and junior high when we all were saying and doing ignorant 🤬 to each other? We are discussing an age group and demographic that is "educated".

    If we wanted to delve into animosity or feelings of contempt, Black Americans could feel some type of way because, of Africa and Africans lack of involvement\support of oppressed Blacks in America. In addition to the ass whippings and great Black men and women who gave their lives for not just Africans, but Asians etc to be able to carve out a living here in the states..

    Even as an adult I've had conversations with people who are shocked that there are black people in Latin America...you want to talk education the average American has little clue of how the rest of the world outside the US operates and are shocked to find out 🤬 is different in many places. So your demographic ain't as educated as you would like to assume

    yea...i feel stupid sometimes with what i thought about the rest of the world.

    running into to so many black people in europe.....i can kinda see why they look at black americans the way they do. i dont like it but i understand where they coming from.

    same with africans...i get it. i dont like it but i get it

    Then that would make you ignorant just like foreigners who make the decision to come to the states. How the hell do you move to another country, or visit another country and you are ignorant of that countries current and past history?

    people do it all the time.

    how many people really understand the history of any country? 🤬 , some dont even know the history of they family.

    now i can admit to ignorance. but i seek to learn more about what i didnt know to begin with.
  • R.D.
    R.D. Members Posts: 20,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We not taught much about our people around the globe. I'm learning everyday about our presence in other places. Not extreme but I met someone from St Lucia that inspired to me to research how they came to inhabit that land. This was a year ago. I imagine it's similar for them. However, if I'm going to migrate somewhere, I'm looking to figure out where my people are there and how to connect with them. That's not being done and maybe that's our fault cause we so inclusive that people can come here and indulge in our culture w/o us even being present.

    I understand the black students argument but it may be bigger than a University issue when you start factoring in the grants and 🤬 eligible to them but not us
  • Shuffington
    Shuffington Members Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    D. Morgan wrote: »
    This is going to be a very interesting thread

    Exactly.... but this is a nice little wedge issue thread.
    N*ggas built up alliances and sh*t.... Im happy to see a little shake up on here.
    Its good for this place. We can agree on other wild issues in other threads.

    Anyways... I don't have a problem with the black student union requesting the University to target more
    Black Americans .... as opposed to recent African or Caribbean immigrants. This is not an affront to my hard working Caribbean or African bredren. This is one single lifeline that targets those who's lineage was impacted by Slavery/ Jim Crow/ and Systemic racism here in North America specifically.

    While not enough in the least, Its a essentially a small micro form of reparations especially if tuition and housing is covered imo.


  • blackrain
    blackrain Members, Moderators Posts: 27,269 Regulator
    Swiffness! wrote: »
    Lol this 🤬 really said Africa wasn't affected by slavery tho......Willie Lynch still got game like MUTHAFUCKA!

    Somebody in this thread got pushed to the ground by a Nigerian kid during recess

    Wait...what post is that in
  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    LordZuko wrote: »
    I dont play silly games. I am well aware of the negative perspective Africans have towards blacks.

    Smh.. Man growing up I was all sorts of Africa 🤬 scratches this.. King of zumunda that.. If Africans don't 🤬 with Black Americans it's more because of this as opposed to looking down on black Americans..

    The 🤬 ?.. Africans ain't black? We ain't the same? Smh..

    Africans are Black. Problem is, many don't identify as such once here in the states. They identify according to their country of origin.

    And so do the carribean folk.

    Have yet to hear a complaint in here about people calling themselves Jamaican, Haitian, Trini or whatever.

    Hell no one in dipset is black American but they still black right?

    You're absolutely correct. I am only sharing my opinion based on my experience. Our folks from the carribbean do title themselves after their nationality, however they tend to have more of a connection to American Blacks because their experience with our brand of racism . Enter Marcus Garvey who was a Jamaican and preached Black unity in addition Carribean Blacks are several generations ahead of Africans migrating to America over the last 2-3 decades.

  • jono
    jono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Black" didn't exist until there were a people who called themselves white. Black is political, that's it.

    So you can indeed be dark skinned and not consider yourself "Black." it's a political designation and a self-identifier at that.

    People who don't have the same political concerns wouldn't have the same labels.

    "Black consciousness" as defined by Steve Biko revolves around this concept of unifying people around the world by a single trait -- skin color, but only in opposition to whiteness.

    So I don't expect people from other nations to immediately clique up and associate with Black Americans. It's arrogant asf to assume that people want to associate with you based on a single trait that neither of you chose.

    They don't have the same culture, language, religion, attitudes etc where they are from. They become "Black" through their politics and seeing how individuals who are the same skin color are treated.

    All this 🤬 : race and gender, is convenient. It's political 🤬 people use when its beneficial to them. Not everybody who shares your skin shade is a "brotha" or a "sista" either, that's naive asf.

    In this instance, the school is using "hey, they have the same skin color" as a way to circumvent assisting American black students and increasing their American black student population. And yes, that is a problem.



  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    Smh... I wonder if they came together with those International students and perhaps talk to them about our internal issues... I don't see this happening with white Americans versus white Europeans

    Calling them international students is misleading. We are talking mostly about kids who were born and raised here. Went to the same schools and grew up on the same neighborhoods.. Granted I'm not there but are these kids not American?.. Like what's the problem? We all black..

    Everyone has to accept this in order for unity to happen. And in my experience Africans don't accept that fact. As it's been said already. They are Nigerian, South African, Ethiopian etc. Saying they are Black is a stain. It means they have sided with Black Americans. And foreigners don't want that designation. Black Americans are the scourge of American society. This has been broadcast around the world and that stereotype\perception is what people believe.

    Bro I'm African.. And I'm telling you we all black.. Nevermind the cultural differences.. We are all black period.. Anyone who says otherwise.. African America or first Gen African immigrant is out of Touch with reality.. We acknowledge our differences but we still know we all black..

    I am agreeing with you. We are all Black. Once you step foot on American soil you are Black. All that individual nationalistic jazz is off the table. However, you and I aren't the reality though. And again my opinions aren't exclusive to Africans. Spanish speaking Blacks are probably the worse of the lot.

    You talk education in one post yet make an ignorant statement here. If you were as educated as you thought then you would know more about all the very real clear elements of African culture that has shaped and still remains an important part of the culture of many Latin countries. From the style of dress to religious beliefs and practices, where do you think Santeria comes from its a mashup of African religions, to even the style of Spanish and the cadence in which it is spoken...but you're part of the demographic that should know this right?


    I am addressing people who migrate to the US and are ignorant of America's racial divide. white supremacy in the U.S. doesn't discriminate against American Blacks and Latin Blacks. They are all Black to them. That is the reality. Latinos or otherwise that continue to honor their African culture has jack 🤬 to do with accepting what being Black in America actually means. In addition listening to American Blacks who have been fighting this system since slavery.

    So, miss me with your elementary assed responses. I know plenty well about Africa's influence the world over. Get on topic or 🤬 .

    And Americans are ignorant to how and why black folks from outside the US come to thr states with the mindsets that they do and how the interactions and comments by blacks in America contribute to that. Being black all over the world has generally the same damn meaning so you not expressing or exposing somebody to a new concept.

    But this idea that foreign blacks deny being black simply because they dont immediately identify with being black American is stupid

    More trash from you. I never once argued being Black in America, Africa or Poland for that matter is different. However, racism against Blacks the world over comes in different forms. America has it's own brand of racism as does europe, Asia etc.

    So the smart thing to do when moving or integrating in a new country, culture etc would be to connect with Blacks that know that form of racism from every angle and have been fighting against it for centuries. Not isolate themselves and cower behind their culture, language, or dance.

    Foreigners come to the US with Black American stereotypes because, of the white supremacists agenda to paint Black Americans as lazy criminals who were given everything and have done nothing with it. white supremacists have also stereotyped Africans as poor, corrupt and uneducated step children that cannot function without european overseers.
    The onus is those migrating to understand their situation and decision in it's totality.

    We don't need more people coming here to the states and being fooled by white supremacists which, ultimately ends up being detrimental not just for them but for blacks that have been putting work to stamp out racism.



  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    R.D. wrote: »
    We not taught much about our people around the globe. I'm learning everyday about our presence in other places. Not extreme but I met someone from St Lucia that inspired to me to research how they came to inhabit that land. This was a year ago. I imagine it's similar for them. However, if I'm going to migrate somewhere, I'm looking to figure out where my people are there and how to connect with them. That's not being done and maybe that's our fault cause we so inclusive that people can come here and indulge in our culture w/o us even being present.

    I understand the black students argument but it may be bigger than a University issue when you start factoring in the grants and 🤬 eligible to them but not us

    Great post.

    I have also been made aware that some nations (not sure about Africa) like China are footing entire University tuition for students to study here. The trade off is they have to return and offer their services to their people. So, you're right it's not all cut and dry.
  • Maywood
    Maywood Never Told On NobodyMembers Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very very Sad Thread, But at the same time the Conversation needs to be had , Me being an American born citizen being judged by someone from Africa now residing In the States was pretty tough to go through, anger, confusion & disgust was the feeling @ the time. On the other foot I have also seen the other side of the coin where Africans were teased & Disrespected by American born Blacks...Ahhhhh To Walk In Our Skin
  • Rasta.
    Rasta. Mt. ZionMembers Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LordZuko wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    LordZuko wrote: »
    I dont play silly games. I am well aware of the negative perspective Africans have towards blacks.

    Smh.. Man growing up I was all sorts of Africa 🤬 scratches this.. King of zumunda that.. If Africans don't 🤬 with Black Americans it's more because of this as opposed to looking down on black Americans..

    The 🤬 ?.. Africans ain't black? We ain't the same? Smh..

    Man every dark skin 🤬 was an African 🤬 scratcher. But African immigrants who come over and go straight into the collegiate system don't suffer the same fate.

    Being called an African 🤬 scratcher no way compares to what Africans call black people. I forget the word now but you know what I'm talking about.

    Africans don't see themselves as Black until it's time to ride that Black American benefit train.

    The word you're looking for is "akata"
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akata

    Now if Nigerians are calling you that, how's this representative of all Africans? Idiots like you are so narrow minded you let the experiences you have with a group of people in this case Nigerians, cloud your beliefs. How's someone from Botswana gonna call you Akata? 🤬 we're all black....if you asked me where I'm from I'd say I'm African, Ghana to be exact!, I came to the States at 17 but for someone born here, they'll say they're Black. Heck I've seen some denounced upon saying they're Black to "🤬 you African" as if that's an insult.
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