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Denzel Washington: Don't Blame The Prison System, 'It Starts At The Home'

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  • LUClEN
    LUClEN Absence makes the heart grow fonder of someone else Members Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both contribute
  • jetlifebih
    jetlifebih Sion Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rip.dilla wrote: »
    There's systematic racism in America no doubt but there's also personal accountability and responsibility ('man in the mirror')... as a Black person living in America; old and young


    I always state the only way a Black person would escape racism in America would be to totally leave the country all together

    It's not a difficult concept to grasp
    Are y’all missing the decades of personal accountability on behalf of Africans only to have 🤬 bombed or raided by the clan, laws passed to prevent ownership of propert business and land , laws passed to incarcerate a large group of people ....laws passed giving incentives for an already poor family to break up only to have the family depend on the government....

    Like we’ve done this accountability 🤬 ...we have always done it....and how does it start with the family when stats say black men have been the most involved with children...

    Let’s just agree to disagree
  • D. Morgan
    D. Morgan Not even on social media BUT.... I'M SWAGGIN SO HARD I FUCKED THE GRAM UPMembers Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • 7figz
    7figz Still don’t nothing move but the money Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LPast wrote: »
    Let me simplify it for y'all.

    Fool be once, shame on you
    Fool me twice, shame on me

    Right, so Denzel done fooled you twice ?

    1. Saying colorism doesn't exist in hollywood.
    2. Saying you can't blame the system.
  • 7figz
    7figz Still don’t nothing move but the money Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's DL Hughley on the topic, for y'all gullible ass 🤬 self-hatin MFs.

  • sunlord
    sunlord Members Posts: 515 ✭✭✭✭
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up
  • Huey_C
    Huey_C I'm a fucking prick.. Lord Huey Members Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    Beta male problems
  • 7figz
    7figz Still don’t nothing move but the money Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    You definitely a 🤬 .
    Huey_C wrote: »
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    Beta male problems

    Now DL Hughley, Willie D, and Immortal Tech are beta males ?

    Or maybe yall MFs just some Denzel worhsipping groupie MFs - beta male / 🤬 ?
  • Max.
    Max. Members Posts: 33,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MR.CJ wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    “It’s starts at home”

    “We making it easy for them”

    Why does this offend you 🤬 ?


    Because people always want to blame the white man

    I mean its way easier to do that for some of these 🤬
  • luke1733
    luke1733 Members Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭
    MR.CJ wrote: »
    In “Roman J. Israel, Esq.” Denzel Washington plays an idealistic defense attorney whose beliefs are tested when he joins a new law firm.

    The Oscar winner says making the film did not make him more cynical about the justice system and, when asked about the prison-industrial complex, the “Malcolm X” star offered a surprising take.

    “It starts at the home,” he told reporters at the film’s downtown New York premiere. “It starts at home.”

    When prodded to expand on his answer, the 62-year-old Mount Vernon native replied: “It starts with how you raise your children. If a young man doesn’t have a father figure, he’ll go find a father figure.

    “So you know I can’t blame the system,” he continued. “It’s unfortunate that we make such easy work for them.”

    Washington came into the project with an insider’s edge on writer-director Dan Gilroy; he spars at the same gym as Jake Gyllenhaal, who starred in Gilroy’s critically acclaimed 2014 film “Nightcrawler,” and the actor gave Washington a full briefing on Gilroy.

    “I got to learn a little bit about Dan in advance, and to see the great collaboration they had together,” Washington explained. “So it was easy, it was seamless and it was invigorating.”

    (Washington declined to answer questions as to whether he or Gyllenhaal would win in the boxing ring).

    The Oscar winner has played a lawyer before (“Philadelphia”), but his reasons for taking on this role weren’t so much because he wanted to return to a courtroom.

    “It really didn’t have much to do with that,” he said. “It was just that Dan wrote a good script, a good story, the guy happened to be a lawyer. Law wasn’t the thing that attracted me to the story.”

    Roman Israel — a legal savant — is certainly a departure for the actor. Washington told the Daily News that he based the character’s eccentricities on those of a friend’s son who is on the autism spectrum.

    “He knew all the laws and everything, so I did a lot of research on Asperger’s, and the spectrum, and went in that direction,” he revealed.

    Washington says he is not worrying about what his fans will make of this film.

    “I just do what I do,” the “Training Day” star said. “I can’t be concerned. I don’t know what they’re going to think, so that’s not something that comes into my head. . . . If it’s something I’m interested in, then I do it if I can, and we’ll find out what they think about it.”





    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/denzel-washington-don-blame-prison-system-article-1.3653432

    If someone else said this then I'd feel different, but Denzel's speaking as a father and he's been legit for like 35 years in the black community and spoken and acted very positively on our behalf. Also, he's kinda right. Not all the way right b/c the system is to blame,but parents are too blame also AS WELL as the damn individual that commits a crime. I'll let y'all argue with who's more to blame.
  • LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY
    LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY SHAPE YOUR REALITY INSIDE WHICH YOU THRIVE Members, Writer Posts: 17,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    7figz wrote: »
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    You definitely a 🤬 .
    Huey_C wrote: »
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    Beta male problems

    Now DL Hughley, Willie D, and Immortal Tech are beta males ?

    Or maybe yall MFs just some Denzel worhsipping groupie MFs - beta male / 🤬 ?

    You still dont get it.
    Denzel is talking about a part of the problem that is often not spoken of within the black community : WHAT ARE THE VALUES THAT WE CAN TEACH OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS SO THAT THEY DONT END UP IN JAIL?

    IS MATERIALISM LEADING US TO JAIL?
    IS GREED LEADING US TO JAIL?
    Is ENVY LEADING US TO JAIL?

    see there are a lot of questions we can ask ourselves in order to stay away from jail. As far as im concerned i can understand stealing to get something to drink, eat and feed your children. I cannot understand dope dealing and gangbanging for MATERIAL STUFF!! I just cant. And thats what Denzel is talking about imo.

    That being said AINT NO DUMBER THAN SOMEBODY FALLING INTO THE SAME TRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

    MATERIALISM is doing worse to the black community than druggs. I got out of that game cause the rules of the materialism game are made so i end up in jail.


    I have chosen MINIMALISM. Goodbuye the malls and black friday. Goodbuye big car debt and maintenance. Goodbuye stuntin in the club and making it rain.Goodbuy stress and envy.


    Black people should stay out materialism and go minimalism.
  • trilladelic
    trilladelic Members Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of y'all acting the jailhouse is full of innocent niqqaz..some of them muhfuckaz need to be there or act least far away from the general public..
  • 7figz
    7figz Still don’t nothing move but the money Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    7figz wrote: »
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    You definitely a 🤬 .
    Huey_C wrote: »
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    Beta male problems

    Now DL Hughley, Willie D, and Immortal Tech are beta males ?

    Or maybe yall MFs just some Denzel worhsipping groupie MFs - beta male / 🤬 ?

    You still dont get it.
    Denzel is talking about a part of the problem that is often not spoken of within the black community : WHAT ARE THE VALUES THAT WE CAN TEACH OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS SO THAT THEY DONT END UP IN JAIL?

    IS MATERIALISM LEADING US TO JAIL?
    IS GREED LEADING US TO JAIL?
    Is ENVY LEADING US TO JAIL?

    see there are a lot of questions we can ask ourselves in order to stay away from jail. As far as im concerned i can understand stealing to get something to drink, eat and feed your children. I cannot understand dope dealing and gangbanging for MATERIAL STUFF!! I just cant. And thats what Denzel is talking about imo.

    That being said AINT NO DUMBER THAN SOMEBODY FALLING INTO THE SAME TRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

    MATERIALISM is doing worse to the black community than druggs. I got out of that game cause the rules of the materialism game are made so i end up in jail.


    I have chosen MINIMALISM. Goodbuye the malls and black friday. Goodbuye big car debt and maintenance. Goodbuye stuntin in the club and making it rain.Goodbuy stress and envy.


    Black people should stay out materialism and go minimalism.

    I'm out of ways of trying to explain this 🤬 .

    Read what Immortal Tech wrote earlier, and directly respond to it.
  • sunlord
    sunlord Members Posts: 515 ✭✭✭✭
    IT STARTS at home 🤬 immortal technique and his communist garbage.
  • LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY
    LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY SHAPE YOUR REALITY INSIDE WHICH YOU THRIVE Members, Writer Posts: 17,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    7figz wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    You definitely a 🤬 .
    Huey_C wrote: »
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    Beta male problems

    Now DL Hughley, Willie D, and Immortal Tech are beta males ?

    Or maybe yall MFs just some Denzel worhsipping groupie MFs - beta male / 🤬 ?

    You still dont get it.
    Denzel is talking about a part of the problem that is often not spoken of within the black community : WHAT ARE THE VALUES THAT WE CAN TEACH OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS SO THAT THEY DONT END UP IN JAIL?

    IS MATERIALISM LEADING US TO JAIL?
    IS GREED LEADING US TO JAIL?
    Is ENVY LEADING US TO JAIL?

    see there are a lot of questions we can ask ourselves in order to stay away from jail. As far as im concerned i can understand stealing to get something to drink, eat and feed your children. I cannot understand dope dealing and gangbanging for MATERIAL STUFF!! I just cant. And thats what Denzel is talking about imo.

    That being said AINT NO DUMBER THAN SOMEBODY FALLING INTO THE SAME TRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

    MATERIALISM is doing worse to the black community than druggs. I got out of that game cause the rules of the materialism game are made so i end up in jail.


    I have chosen MINIMALISM. Goodbuye the malls and black friday. Goodbuye big car debt and maintenance. Goodbuye stuntin in the club and making it rain.Goodbuy stress and envy.


    Black people should stay out materialism and go minimalism.

    I'm out of ways of trying to explain this 🤬 .

    Read what Immortal Tech wrote earlier, and directly respond to it.

    Im using my words and not others. Feel free to use yours bruh. I know Immortal Technique. I respect him yet he is not a 🤬 . His views can be challenged.

    Im a conservative. I m an advocate of responsibility. If you teach your children that material stuff wont make you a respectable being you seting them to be out of gangbanging and drug dealing. They wont pop somebody for a phone or shoes. They wont be at the pole for fake hair and Gucci. They wont divorce in order to get alimony.

  • 7figz
    7figz Still don’t nothing move but the money Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    7figz wrote: »
    7figz wrote: »
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    You definitely a 🤬 .
    Huey_C wrote: »
    sunlord wrote: »
    The 🤬 is really going all out for his right to blame white people for 🤬 🤬 up

    Beta male problems

    Now DL Hughley, Willie D, and Immortal Tech are beta males ?

    Or maybe yall MFs just some Denzel worhsipping groupie MFs - beta male / 🤬 ?

    You still dont get it.
    Denzel is talking about a part of the problem that is often not spoken of within the black community : WHAT ARE THE VALUES THAT WE CAN TEACH OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS SO THAT THEY DONT END UP IN JAIL?

    IS MATERIALISM LEADING US TO JAIL?
    IS GREED LEADING US TO JAIL?
    Is ENVY LEADING US TO JAIL?

    see there are a lot of questions we can ask ourselves in order to stay away from jail. As far as im concerned i can understand stealing to get something to drink, eat and feed your children. I cannot understand dope dealing and gangbanging for MATERIAL STUFF!! I just cant. And thats what Denzel is talking about imo.

    That being said AINT NO DUMBER THAN SOMEBODY FALLING INTO THE SAME TRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

    MATERIALISM is doing worse to the black community than druggs. I got out of that game cause the rules of the materialism game are made so i end up in jail.


    I have chosen MINIMALISM. Goodbuye the malls and black friday. Goodbuye big car debt and maintenance. Goodbuye stuntin in the club and making it rain.Goodbuy stress and envy.


    Black people should stay out materialism and go minimalism.

    I'm out of ways of trying to explain this 🤬 .

    Read what Immortal Tech wrote earlier, and directly respond to it.

    Im using my words and not others. Feel free to use yours bruh. I know Immortal Technique. I respect him yet he is not a 🤬 . His views can be challenged.

    Im a conservative. I m an advocate of responsibility. If you teach your children that material stuff wont make you a respectable being you seting them to be out of gangbanging and drug dealing. They wont pop somebody for a phone or shoes. They wont be at the pole for fake hair and Gucci. They wont divorce in order to get alimony.

    People who don't agree with Denzel have been "using their words" all thread bro - makes no sense to repeat it. I did it earlier just to get the grass lower - not today.

    I mention the Immortal Tech post because he's saying the same 🤬 we are, so like I said - respond directly to it, otherwise this conversation is several types of logical fallacies and not worth the time.

    The most I'll do is re-post this 🤬 , and several of the counter-arguments - again, for MFs too lazy, or unwilling to read or see both sides:







  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Denzel literally pointed out that they out to get us.

    And stated stop making it easily for them.


    I just don’t get how y’all and 🤬 like IT not getting it.
  • 7figz
    7figz Still don’t nothing move but the money Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    Points out that they're "out to get us" but "can't blame them" and has no problem blaming "us".

    Nothing wrong with that statement tho, but everybody else is the "🤬 ".
  • sunlord
    sunlord Members Posts: 515 ✭✭✭✭
    7figz wrote: »
    Points out that they're "out to get us" but "can't blame them" and has no problem blaming "us".

    Nothing wrong with that statement tho, but everybody else is the "🤬 ".

    soldiers at war don't really blame the soldiers on the other side for shooting at them because that's what soldiers do

    however if members on your own squad don't fire back then you blame them for being scared or worse stupid.
  • 7figz
    7figz Still don’t nothing move but the money Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    Not interested in any analogies that would further convolute the discussion. Keep it simple and respond directly to those tweets.
    LUClEN wrote: »
    Both contribute

    This would be the /thread, but MFs too arrogant to concede.

    Way too easy to oversimplify, change the subject, & keep blaming Black people.
  • sunlord
    sunlord Members Posts: 515 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    the analogy was simple and far from convoluted you just don't want to listen because it would shift a greater responsibility onto black people which would destroy your victim mindset.

    do both the unfair justice system and black american pathology contribute to over incarceration??? yes but what's important is percentage. I would say that more than 85% of the problems black people face in america we brought onto ourselves because we continue to behave in ways we know are destructive to our collective well being.
  • 7figz
    7figz Still don’t nothing move but the money Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    I'd trust scholars who have written on the subject of prison system discrimination more than percentages pulled out some IC 🤬 's imagination.
  • sunlord
    sunlord Members Posts: 515 ✭✭✭✭
    stats don't lie and stats record black people doing a disproportionate amount of crime which only fuels greater police presence and pressure on our communities which then in turn adds more to those stats which justifies the greater police pressure which keeps the cycle rolling
  • sunlord
    sunlord Members Posts: 515 ✭✭✭✭
    7figz wrote: »
    I'd trust scholars who have written on the subject of prison system discrimination more than percentages make up by IC 🤬 .

    You are the real 🤬 and those scholars who point to symptoms and don't look at the real causes of problems are part of the problem.
  • playmaker88
    playmaker88 Boy, I tell you that's vision Like Tony Romo when he hitting Witten Members Posts: 67,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    stop
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