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Agree or Disagree: Rappers Should Work With In House Production

StillFaggyAF
StillFaggyAF QueerLGBT CommunityMembers Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 2012 in The Reason
IMO the best albums in hip hop tend to be those where there is some sort of chemistry between the producers and rappers. Albums with one or two producers are usually always better than albums with 15 different producers on 20 tracks

Agree or Disagree?

Also what are your favorite producer/rapper combo? Mine are Organized Noize/Outkast, Common/No ID, Nas/Premier, Jay Z/Just Blaze
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  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynMembers Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Drake, like him or not (I don't), is making the best music, and coincidentally only works with 40, Boi 1da and T Minus most of the time. The superproducer is dying out, so rappers better start finding their sound and scoopin up these local/unknown producers.

    And I'm goin with Madvillian before this thread reaches 30 posts without one mention of them.
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityMembers Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Drake, like him or not (I don't), is making the best music, and coincidentally only works with 40, Boi 1da and T Minus most of the time. The superproducer is dying out, so rappers better start finding their sound and scoopin up these local/unknown producers.

    And I'm goin with Madvillian before this thread reaches 30 posts without one mention of them.

    i agree the superproducer is dying out, nearly every new rapper has a go to producer, Drake/40,TMinus,Boi1da, Wale/Tone P, Big Sean/No ID, Meek/Jahil, Cole/himself, ASAP Rocky/ASAP Ty Beats, Stalley/Rashad/Block Beattaz, KRIT/himself

    with that said, there is nothing wrong with branching out
  • Kame
    Kame Members Posts: 24,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know... at the same time I like hearing rappers on productions or collabs that surprise me
    Working out of your element is an asset too IMO
  • yeah i rap so don't
    yeah i rap so don't Members Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does not have to be in-house, but a producer or production team that understands the rapper works out.
  • Bcotton5
    Bcotton5 Members Posts: 51,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yea I honestly think Wayne needs to find himself a producer that he can stick with


    He was doing good with Street Runner and Deezle pre Carter 3 then they just stopped working together.
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityMembers Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does not have to be in-house, but a producer or production team that understands the rapper works out.

    yeah i prolly shouldn't have used the words "inhouse"
    Kame wrote: »
    I don't know... at the same time I like hearing rappers on productions or collabs that surprise me
    Working out of your element is an asset too IMO

    but how many rappers have successfully done that with out having a base?
  • Kame
    Kame Members Posts: 24,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yea I honestly think Wayne needs to find himself a producer that he can stick with


    He was doing good with Street Runner and Deezle pre Carter 3 then they just stopped working together.

    Maybe... I kinda think his best work was on those mixtapes where he was rapping over a whole bunch of producers beats... so it kind of makes sense that his albums would go that same way... just hasn't worked as well so far as on those tapes
  • DMTxTHC
    DMTxTHC Members Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Agree.

    Covert Coup, Curren$y/Alchemist.
    The Greatest Story Never Told, Saigon/Just Blaze.
    Cole World: The Sideline Story, J. Cole/J. Cole.

    Those three^ are my favorite bodies of work from 2011.

    A lot of the albums that are considered classic or superior was mainly produced by one or two producers or one camp.

    AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Ice Cube/Bomb Squad/Sir Jinx.
    Death Certificate, Ice Cube/Boogiemen/Sir Jinx.
    The Infamous and Hell On Earth, Mobb Deep/Havoc.
    Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..., Raekwon and Ghostface/RZA.
    It's Dark and Hell Is Hot, DMX/P.K./Dame Grease.
    The Blueprint, Jay-Z/Just Blaze/Kanye West.
    The College Dropout, Kanye/Kanye.

    ...and my favorite rapper producer combo recently would be Saigon/Just Blaze.

    Edit: Big KRIT is someone who put out great mixtapes that's mainly produced by one producer (himself).
  • 32DaysOfInfiniti
    32DaysOfInfiniti Members Posts: 4,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Generally i think the product comes out better when the producer and the artist work together and have chemistry, and not when it comes off a beat cd. Its suppose to be art. You know from the heart..

    Still though somethings are meant to happen, you never know what beat is going to trigger something in your mind & heart. It coulda been made whenever, but its still a hit when the vocals are laid. I dont think its so black and white.

    No boxes
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityMembers Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree.

    Covert Coup, Curren$y/Alchemist.
    The Greatest Story Never Told, Saigon/Just Blaze.
    Cole World: The Sideline Story, J. Cole/J. Cole.

    Those three^ are my favorite bodies of work from 2011.

    A lot of the albums that are considered classic or superior was mainly produced by one or two producers or one camp.

    AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Ice Cube/Bomb Squad/Sir Jinx.
    Death Certificate, Ice Cube/Boogiemen/Sir Jinx.
    The Infamous and Hell On Earth, Mobb Deep/Havoc.
    Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..., Raekwon and Ghostface/RZA.
    It's Dark and Hell Is Hot, DMX/P.K./Dame Grease.
    The Blueprint, Jay-Z/Just Blaze/Kanye West.
    The College Dropout, Kanye/Kanye.

    ...and my favorite rapper producer combo recently would be Saigon/Just Blaze.

    Edit: Big KRIT is someone who put out great mixtapes that's mainly produced by one producer (himself).

    i agree that Saigon GSNT went hard. it sounded a little outdated but still nice
  • birdcallaveli
    birdcallaveli Members Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭✭
    theres nothing wrong with branching out, but there needs to be some kind of connection and chemistry between the artist and the producer. imo that brings out the best in the rapper and the producer.

    look at swizz beats, he got a lot of flack because when he became a super producer a lot of his beats started to sound alike. he was just sending out beat tapes with his prices and telling people to take what they could afford. but if you listen to songs with people that he has a connection with, the beats are fire. flesh of my flesh blood of my blood has some of swizzys best and most varied beats because he had that connection with x and he was actually in the studio every day, smoking blunts and doing lines of coke in between verses with x. you cant fake that kind of chemistry.
  • birdcallaveli
    birdcallaveli Members Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭✭
    yea I honestly think Wayne needs to find himself a producer that he can stick with


    He was doing good with Street Runner and Deezle pre Carter 3 then they just stopped working together.

    yeah, wayne and streetrunner have some classics, i still wish they would do a full album together.
  • Black Boy King
    Black Boy King Members Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yea I honestly think Wayne needs to find himself a producer that he can stick with


    He was doing good with Street Runner and Deezle pre Carter 3 then they just stopped working together.
    LMAO 🤬 bless the man that believes producin for Wayne is going to reep him ANY benefits
  • georgia boi
    georgia boi Members Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.
  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynMembers Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Well, there were more songs on BP2, so it had more room to fail. If you take out a bunch of those songs, and made it a single disc, you'd have an album competing with some of Jay's best.
  • DarthRozay
    DarthRozay Members Posts: 20,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Well, there were more songs on BP2, so it had more room to fail. If you take out a bunch of those songs, and made it a single disc, you'd have an album competing with some of Jay's best.

    He said 3 dude, not 2.
  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynMembers Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Well, there were more songs on BP2, so it had more room to fail. If you take out a bunch of those songs, and made it a single disc, you'd have an album competing with some of Jay's best.

    He said 3 dude, not 2.

    Oh 🤬 , I skimmed thru that. Well, my statement still applies cuz people 🤬 on BP2 as well. Yeah, nothing can save BP3.
  • yeah i rap so don't
    yeah i rap so don't Members Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree.

    Covert Coup, Curren$y/Alchemist.
    The Greatest Story Never Told, Saigon/Just Blaze.
    Cole World: The Sideline Story, J. Cole/J. Cole.

    Those three^ are my favorite bodies of work from 2011.

    A lot of the albums that are considered classic or superior was mainly produced by one or two producers or one camp.

    AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted, Ice Cube/Bomb Squad/Sir Jinx.
    Death Certificate, Ice Cube/Boogiemen/Sir Jinx.
    The Infamous and Hell On Earth, Mobb Deep/Havoc.
    Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..., Raekwon and Ghostface/RZA.
    It's Dark and Hell Is Hot, DMX/P.K./Dame Grease.
    The Blueprint, Jay-Z/Just Blaze/Kanye West.
    The College Dropout, Kanye/Kanye.

    ...and my favorite rapper producer combo recently would be Saigon/Just Blaze.

    Edit: Big KRIT is someone who put out great mixtapes that's mainly produced by one producer (himself).

    Kanye has co-producers all over every single album bro

  • yeah i rap so don't
    yeah i rap so don't Members Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Stop, majority of the album was Bink, Kanye, and Just Blaze. Trackmasters, Timbaland, Eminem each are credited with ONE song each.
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityMembers Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on the chemistry. It also depends on the vision of the artist or whoever is over seeing the project though. Take Jay Z's Blueprint which had Just Blaze, Kanye, Bink!, Eminem, The Trackmasters, and Timbaland on productions vs. Blueprint 3 which was mostly Kanye and Timbaland, with one track a piece from Pharrell, Swizz, and The Inkredibles. The visions for both were different. One is considered a classic and the other one of Jay's worse. The classic had a variety of different producers, some of whom Jay just started building chemistry with versus the weaker album produced by guys who Jay mostly worked with throughout his career.

    Stop, majority of the album was Bink, Kanye, and Just Blaze. Trackmasters, Timbaland, Eminem each are credited with ONE song each.

    i wonder what ever happened to Bink
  • FrankOceanIsGay
    FrankOceanIsGay Members Posts: 402
    Beatminerz & black moon
    Rza / 4th & wu/killarmy
    E dub & redman
    E-swift / alkaholiks
  • TheFix
    TheFix Members Posts: 778 ✭✭✭✭
    The sound backdrop of the album gives an album cohesiveness. It's highly underrated. I believe its what makes many albums classics, it also turns marginal rappers into icons, and dope rappers into legends. Ask Snoop, and Nas respectively.
  • blackbloc
    blackbloc Members Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭
    agree, most 🤬 that blow usually have at least 1 producer who they helped but on and make a sound for them. no ones would be waka with southside and lex lugar ,french montana with harry fraud, meek mill with jahili beats etc..
  • damayor187
    damayor187 Members Posts: 387 ✭✭✭
    I always thought I was the only one who thought this way. Suavehouse, cashmoney, No limit, rap-alot, ruff ryders etc all had their own style and production. i hate when you buy a cd now a days and the cd is good only on certain songs because of certain producers and songs. One song might be good then the next one takes a left a left turn, because the productions style is totally different then the previous track.
  • on1x
    on1x Members Posts: 43
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Drake, like him or not (I don't), is making the best music, and coincidentally only works with 40, Boi 1da and T Minus most of the time. The superproducer is dying out, so rappers better start finding their sound and scoopin up these local/unknown producers.

    And I'm goin with Madvillian before this thread reaches 30 posts without one mention of them.

    i agree the superproducer is dying out, nearly every new rapper has a go to producer, Drake/40,TMinus,Boi1da, Wale/Tone P, Big Sean/No ID, Meek/Jahil, Cole/himself, ASAP Rocky/ASAP Ty Beats, Stalley/Rashad/Block Beattaz, KRIT/himself

    with that said, there is nothing wrong with branching out

    of those, the only one whose production is dope is clams casino. the rest? they're cool. i guess, what i'm saying is, a lot of these inhouse producers are overrated by internet stans. there's nothing remarkable about them.