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Who Do You Think Made The Bigger Impact Of Their Own Genre: Kurt Cobain or Tupac Shakur

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  • jono
    jono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think cats still miss the point. Nobody is saying Pac is wack or anything like that but there is a marked difference in his sound from 2Pacalypse Now to All Eyez On Me. He changed that 🤬 up! And he had to because he had gotten surpassed by at least 90% of the 🤬 he was dissing around that time.

    Nas had dropped Illmatic and was heralded as the second coming of Rakim off ONE ALBUM! It took Pac 3 to get his buzz right.

    Jay-Z was being co-signed by O.Gs like Jaz-O and Big Daddy Kane (even made an appearance on BDK's Daddy's Home album), granted Jigga had no real solo material at the time but he was running with heavyweights and gaining clout. 2Pac was in Digital Underground and to say he was IN it is overstating it, technically he was the little homie (back up dancer) who they let spit from time to time.

    B.I.G., who Pac supposedly schooled to the rap game, had zoomed pass Pac and was crowned King of New York and the second coming of Big Daddy Kane after ONE ALBUM...again it took Pac 3 to get that clout.

    Mobb Deep was smashing the game when they dropped The Infamous in 1995. Immediate impact, cats woke up. Pac was sitting in jail or just coming out during this time.

    Suge blew breath into Pac while he was in prison. Suge hyped him up, promoted him, got him off his label and signed him. He began building Death Row behind 2Pac (it should be noted that Dre & Snoop as well as West Coast Hip-Hop were already on fire during this time), it was the equivalent of a big time free agent signing to a championship team. The team was already tight he just added to it.

    Once Pac was on Death Row he became the centerpiece, the head MC (as he was the best rapper on the label unquestionably). So he had to promote their "style" the Death Row sound which was gangsta rap. Pac pretty much dropped all that "Panther Power" 🤬 and got on some flossin' "Picture Me Rollin" type 🤬 . It worked and he got the success he had always wanted.

    All the beefs and 🤬 were probably Suge's idea, mixed in with Pac's jealousy of BIG, Mobb Deep & Nas and the paranoia he attained after he got shot. If he was some revolutionary artist why did he change? 🤬 like Ice Cube didn't change. Cube always mixed social commentary heavily into his albums even if they didn't do well commercially. I'm working off memory here but "Wonda Why They Call You 🤬 " was probably the only social commentary he spoke on AEOM. The rest was about him "ridin on his enemies" or 🤬 🤬 . The 🤬 did a song with Jodeci man! Lol.

    He had the hottest producer in the game (Dre) and a hot #2 MC (Snoop) on the hottest label in the game, of course he was successful! But BEFORE then he wasn't really seen as being THAT dude on the mic. He was known for acting an ass on TV all the time, movies, getting shot & the 🤬 case. All the Black Panthers stuff was background noise to him being the posterboy for ignorant 🤬 everywhere.
  • Bawse D.Lox
    Bawse D.Lox Members Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2012
    jono wrote: »
    I think cats still miss the point. Nobody is saying Pac is wack or anything like that but there is a marked difference in his sound from 2Pacalypse Now to All Eyez On Me. He changed that 🤬 up! And he had to because he had gotten surpassed by at least 90% of the 🤬 he was dissing around that time.

    Nas had dropped Illmatic and was heralded as the second coming of Rakim off ONE ALBUM! It took Pac 3 to get his buzz right.

    Jay-Z was being co-signed by O.Gs like Jaz-O and Big Daddy Kane (even made an appearance on BDK's Daddy's Home album), granted Jigga had no real solo material at the time but he was running with heavyweights and gaining clout. 2Pac was in Digital Underground and to say he was IN it is overstating it, technically he was the little homie (back up dancer) who they let spit from time to time.

    B.I.G., who Pac supposedly schooled to the rap game, had zoomed pass Pac and was crowned King of New York and the second coming of Big Daddy Kane after ONE ALBUM...again it took Pac 3 to get that clout.

    Mobb Deep was smashing the game when they dropped The Infamous in 1995. Immediate impact, cats woke up. Pac was sitting in jail or just coming out during this time.

    Suge blew breath into Pac while he was in prison. Suge hyped him up, promoted him, got him off his label and signed him. He began building Death Row behind 2Pac (it should be noted that Dre & Snoop as well as West Coast Hip-Hop were already on fire during this time), it was the equivalent of a big time free agent signing to a championship team. The team was already tight he just added to it.

    Once Pac was on Death Row he became the centerpiece, the head MC (as he was the best rapper on the label unquestionably). So he had to promote their "style" the Death Row sound which was gangsta rap. Pac pretty much dropped all that "Panther Power" 🤬 and got on some flossin' "Picture Me Rollin" type 🤬 . It worked and he got the success he had always wanted.

    All the beefs and 🤬 were probably Suge's idea, mixed in with Pac's jealousy of BIG, Mobb Deep & Nas and the paranoia he attained after he got shot. If he was some revolutionary artist why did he change? 🤬 like Ice Cube didn't change. Cube always mixed social commentary heavily into his albums even if they didn't do well commercially. I'm working off memory here but "Wonda Why They Call You 🤬 " was probably the only social commentary he spoke on AEOM. The rest was about him "ridin on his enemies" or 🤬 🤬 . The 🤬 did a song with Jodeci man! Lol.

    He had the hottest producer in the game (Dre) and a hot #2 MC (Snoop) on the hottest label in the game, of course he was successful! But BEFORE then he wasn't really seen as being THAT dude on the mic. He was known for acting an ass on TV all the time, movies, getting shot & the 🤬 case. All the Black Panthers stuff was background noise to him being the posterboy for ignorant 🤬 everywhere.

    so 2Pac went from
    2pacalypse Now to All Eyez On Me. just like that?
    no Strictly 4 My 🤬 ??, No Thug Life Vol. 1???, No Me Against The World?????
    So he had to promote their "style" the Death Row sound which was gangsta rap. Pac pretty much dropped all that "Panther Power" 🤬 and got on some flossin' "Picture Me Rollin" type 🤬
    Just 2pacalypse to All Eyez On Me. gotcha.
    Soooo , Pac Got "Thug Life" Freshly Tatted on Him,once he got on Deathrow to promote their style???
    Gotcha

    So you're Gonna really act like, Pac didn't hopped off that Panther 🤬 in 93' when he created Thug Life?
    Nas had dropped Illmatic and was heralded as the second coming of Rakim off ONE ALBUM! It took Pac 3 to get his buzz right.

    Jay-Z was being co-signed by O.Gs like Jaz-O and Big Daddy Kane (even made an appearance on BDK's Daddy's Home album), granted Jigga had no real solo material at the time but he was running with heavyweights and gaining clout. 2Pac was in Digital Underground and to say he was IN it is overstating it, technically he was the little homie (back up dancer) who they let spit from time to time.

    and how did Nas have a bigger buzz than 2Pac????
    when 2Pac 1st album went gold in 1991. Yet It took Illmatic 7 years to go plat.
    Nas had all the Magazines, and hottest producers In NY and Og's Like Kool G backing him ,to only sell 59,000 copies in its first 🤬 week.


    Again if 2pacalypse Now, wasn't on the radar, why the Vice President of the United States Of 🤬 America Banned His 🤬 ???????

    Strictly 4 My 🤬 = Plat , 3 songs on the bill board top 100, movies with janet jackson, yet Pac was jealous? of who?


    94'Thug Life Vol. 1 = gold compilation album, Got some Hood Classics on That. Above The RIm

    95' #1 album in the world. beat out Bruce Springsteen for the #1 Spot. Yet Pac was jealous of mobb deep??? who barley went gold with "The Infamous" in 95??

    him and Biggie sold the same amount of records, yet Pac was locked up.
    Biggie was able to do all the promotions and features in the world. and they still sold the same amount of records.
    Biggie had more songs on rotation on the radio than Pac. Yet they still sold the same amount of records.


    ANd did you bring up Jay??
    now Jay is the King, But back in 95/96. Jay was irrelevant. ,dude was Biggie's hype man. Jay= Lil Cease with a Solo effort, back in 95' 96'.

    Yea it Took Pac longer, he came in the game as an 17/18 year old backup dancer, recorded his 1st gold album at 19.
    he was 21, 22 when his second album came out.
    🤬 forgot that pac was only 23/24 when Me Against The World Drop. and was 24 when he recorded all Eyez On Me. He Died @ 25.
    at the same damn time-Future, Jay was 26 /27 years old.



    One question how old is you Bruh???????
  • Tommy bilfiger
    Tommy bilfiger Members Posts: 22,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2012
    jono wrote: »
    there is a marked difference in his sound from 2Pacalypse Now to All Eyez On Me. He changed that 🤬 up! And he had to because he had gotten surpassed by at least 90% of the 🤬 he was dissing around that time.

    Nas had dropped Illmatic and was heralded as the second coming of Rakim off ONE ALBUM! It took Pac 3 to get his buzz right.

    Jay-Z was being co-signed by O.Gs like Jaz-O and Big Daddy Kane (even made an appearance on BDK's Daddy's Home album), granted Jigga had no real solo material at the time but he was running with heavyweights and gaining clout. 2Pac was in Digital Underground and to say he was IN it is overstating it, technically he was the little homie (back up dancer) who they let spit from time to time.

    B.I.G., who Pac supposedly schooled to the rap game, had zoomed pass Pac and was crowned King of New York and the second coming of Big Daddy Kane after ONE ALBUM...again it took Pac 3 to get that clout.

    Mobb Deep was smashing the game when they dropped The Infamous in 1995. Immediate impact, cats woke up. Pac was sitting in jail or just coming out during this time.

    Suge blew breath into Pac while he was in prison. Suge hyped him up, promoted him, got him off his label and signed him. He began building Death Row behind 2Pac (it should be noted that Dre & Snoop as well as West Coast Hip-Hop were already on fire during this time), it was the equivalent of a big time free agent signing to a championship team. The team was already tight he just added to it.

    Once Pac was on Death Row he became the centerpiece, the head MC (as he was the best rapper on the label unquestionably). So he had to promote their "style" the Death Row sound which was gangsta rap. Pac pretty much dropped all that "Panther Power" 🤬 and got on some flossin' "Picture Me Rollin" type 🤬 . It worked and he got the success he had always wanted.

    All the beefs and 🤬 were probably Suge's idea, mixed in with Pac's jealousy of BIG, Mobb Deep & Nas and the paranoia he attained after he got shot. If he was some revolutionary artist why did he change? 🤬 like Ice Cube didn't change. Cube always mixed social commentary heavily into his albums even if they didn't do well commercially. I'm working off memory here but "Wonda Why They Call You 🤬 " was probably the only social commentary he spoke on AEOM. The rest was about him "ridin on his enemies" or 🤬 🤬 . The 🤬 did a song with Jodeci man! Lol.

    He had the hottest producer in the game (Dre) and a hot #2 MC (Snoop) on the hottest label in the game, of course he was successful! But BEFORE then he wasn't really seen as being THAT dude on the mic. He was known for acting an ass on TV all the time, movies, getting shot & the 🤬 case. All the Black Panthers stuff was background noise to him being the posterboy for ignorant 🤬 everywhere.

    Another goat post

    I said earlier in the thread several rappers influenced hip hop more than pac did,These groupies talkin about statues in germany

    Again How did he influence HIP HOP?

    He didnt 🤬 was a loudmouth clown who was known for his buffoonish 🤬 antics and controversy and people got him on a pedestal cuz he died its a reason he sold 70 million records after death ,when he was alive son didnt start sellin records until he was gettin arrested,shot,locked up etc



  • plocc
    plocc Members Posts: 921 ✭✭✭✭
    Tupac was not the best mc on death row. Kurupt was better. And if you really listen, Pac even rhymed like daz on some tracks. I will give him this though. On that Makeveli joint he was at his peak, spitting straight fire.
  • Focal Point
    Focal Point Kushite descent... wandering child from Meru of Old TrentonMembers Posts: 16,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    c1up wrote: »
    statues don't dictate musical impact but rather the popularity of the person

    lol alot of artists would have statues if that was true

    lol you'd be surprised just how many folks do have statues or something to honor them
  • Focal Point
    Focal Point Kushite descent... wandering child from Meru of Old TrentonMembers Posts: 16,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this thread has become personal to a lot of ya... step back and breath
  • jono
    jono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Strictly For my 🤬 was pretty much made in the same vein as 2Pacalypse Now which is why I glossed over it. Its another hip-hop album but it still mostly featured social commentary. If you've ever listened to the whole album the hit single "I Get Around" sticks out like a sore thumb, its VERY different that the rest of the album. He hadn't really moved from hip-hop to gangsta rap.

    Thug Life Vol 1 had very little impact outside of a couple tracks. Besides it was a group effort, it wasn't a solo 2Pac record it was a side project to get his homies on. Arguably its a gangsta rap album but like I said its a group album. If it IS then he made his first "gangsta rap" album in 1994...3 years after his debut.
    Now on to criticisms of me:
    I never said Illmatic was financially successful, everybody knows it wasn't. But it was CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED and as an MC that's always the most important impact you want to have. Illmatic was raw, no chick records, no real hype other than the MC was dope as 🤬 , he sold nothing with that and its still considered the best hip-hop album ever. Record sales don't really mean 🤬 in the long run but how much the label made off a 🤬 .

    "Again if 2pacalypse Now, wasn't on the radar,
    why the Vice President of the United States Of
    🤬 America Banned His 🤬 ???????"
    **It was because of a situation that had nothing to do with 2Pac foreal . A cat claimed a 2pac song made him 🤬 a police officer, of course a politician reacted by trying to get that album banned. The politicians tried getting several albums banned lol... 2Pac wasn't the only one. This controversy also helped boost album sales for 2Pacalypse Now, which we all know controversy creates cash.**

    "Strictly 4 My 🤬 = Plat , 3 songs on the bill
    board top 100" (movies aren't apart of the discussion we talking strictly music)

    It Debuted at #24 which made it more successful that the first album. If your going to talk record sales, the 🤬 could have at least been #1. Also The Source gave it 2.5 mics....I know that might not mean 🤬 but its funny to see. I'm sure they "re-rated" it later on.

    "94'Thug Life Vol. 1 = gold compilation album,
    Got some Hood Classics on That."
    It was a group album and I couldn't find the chart but I read #42 on Wiki...could be wrong.

    He was in prison when Me Against...came out and it debuted at #1.

    Its incredibly difficult to find figures that aren't inflated by his death but seeing that album 🤬 don't even listen to like 2Pacalypse Now & Strictly For My 🤬 are gold & platinum tells me that your using inflated figures. I've read that Strictly....took months to go Gold let alone platinum upon its release.

    This is the chart info I found for the albums he made while he was alive:
    (1992) 2Pacalypse Now-- #74
    (1993) Strictly...--#24
    (1994) Thug Life...--#?? (42?)
    (1995) Me Against...---#1
    (1996) All Eyes...--#1
    (1996) Makaveli...--#1

    The success of Me Against, All Eyes, & Makaveli can't be denied, he was hot by then. But before that he was "successful" but not THAT dude, like I said before. Being THAT 🤬 =/= gold or platinum albums. That 🤬 depends on promotion & radio play, not real talent or skills. So the chart info is really only because 2Pac marks love to ramble about his album sales, I personally couldn't care less.
  • thecomebacklegend
    thecomebacklegend Members Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭
    c1up wrote: »
    c1up wrote: »
    statues don't dictate musical impact but rather the popularity of the person

    lol alot of artists would have statues if that was true

    lol you'd be surprised just how many folks do have statues or something to honor them

    name artists

  • Tommy bilfiger
    Tommy bilfiger Members Posts: 22,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2012
    Bon scott
    Ray Charles
    Jimi hendrix
    Elton john
    Bob Marley
    Elvis
    Otis Redding
    Miles Davis
    Jim morrison
    John Lennon
    James Brown
    The Beatles
    Michael Jackson

    ^All have statues,step your knowledge up

    that pac statue in atlanta was funded by his mother btw
  • thecomebacklegend
    thecomebacklegend Members Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭
    Bon scott
    Jimi hendrix
    Elton john
    Bob Marley
    Elvis
    Jim morrison
    John Lennon
    James Brown
    The Beatles
    Michael Jackson

    ^All have statues,step your knowledge up

    that pac statue in atlanta was funded by his mother btw

    proves pac was on another level than kurt cobain

    and a city not gonna let u put up a statue if u not the best at what u do no matter who fund it
  • Tommy bilfiger
    Tommy bilfiger Members Posts: 22,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2012
    Kurt Kobain has a statue too

    I recall pac groupies tryna argue that pac was bigger than michael jackson last year so we know how delusional u people are

    And jono bodied this thread funny how pacs albums never debuted at #1 until he started coonin and actin dumb,🤬 had to change his whole persona up to get noticed musically





  • DanknDrank
    DanknDrank Members Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭✭
    Don't yall hate it when someone love hearing themselves talk that they're so convinced of their fallible views to the point that they try their damnedest to convinced you to believe the illogical 🤬 they're saying ???

    Everyone.....meet jono smdh
  • thecomebacklegend
    thecomebacklegend Members Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭
    Kurt Kobain has a statue too

    I recall pac groupies tryna argue that pac was bigger than michael jackson last year so we know how delusional u people are

    And jono bodied this thread funny how pacs albums never debuted at #1 until he started coonin and actin dumb,🤬 had to change his whole persona up to get noticed musically





    in his hometown

    pac got 2 from places he is not from

  • DanknDrank
    DanknDrank Members Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭✭
    Hey jono, at least you're not as bad as Tommy, we don't know when this goof troop is either tolling or being dead serious

    Least I know you were serious, even if it was poppycocks
  • DanknDrank
    DanknDrank Members Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭✭
    Lmao @ the irony of your sig

    "The sun is gone, but I have light....and that light is from a 12guage mossberg pump....BOOOOOM!!!" - Kurt BlowedBrains
  • ThaCerealKilla
    ThaCerealKilla Members Posts: 450 ✭✭✭
    🤬 kurt cobain, 2pac >>>>
  • the_focused_one
    the_focused_one Members Posts: 560 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2012
    H-Rap 180 wrote: »
    Didn't Cobain body hisself?

    He ate a Shotgun which is a 🤬 move, and his music was depressing.

    Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain murdered... Do your research!!!

    Also, Nirvana brought an entire genre (Grunge) into the mainstream, so yes, he was way more impactful to Rock than Pac was to Hip Hop...
  • GeE-757
    GeE-757 Members Posts: 6,441
  • Jack Purcell
    Jack Purcell Members Posts: 12
    I think You cant actually say who made a bigger impact because their impact was much different in their genres.
  • Jdilla26
    Jdilla26 Members Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tupac was imperfect and that made him real. In an age where everyone is trying to look perfect, act perfect, and be perfect, Tupac Shakur always kept it real. He knew that he had imperfections and he was proud of them as they made him what he the unique and special person that he was. He was, like many other young black men in the hood, "The Rose that Grew From Concrete".


    “I'm not saying I'm gonna change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world.” - Tupac Shakur



  • Bawse D.Lox
    Bawse D.Lox Members Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2012
    jono wrote: »
    Strictly For my 🤬 was pretty much made in the same vein as 2Pacalypse Now which is why I glossed over it. Its another hip-hop album but it still mostly featured social commentary. If you've ever listened to the whole album the hit single "I Get Around" sticks out like a sore thumb, its VERY different that the rest of the album. He hadn't really moved from hip-hop to gangsta rap.

    Thug Life Vol 1 had very little impact outside of a couple tracks. Besides it was a group effort, it wasn't a solo 2Pac record it was a side project to get his homies on. Arguably its a gangsta rap album but like I said its a group album. If it IS then he made his first "gangsta rap" album in 1994...3 years after his debut.
    Now on to criticisms of me:
    I never said Illmatic was financially successful, everybody knows it wasn't. But it was CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED and as an MC that's always the most important impact you want to have. Illmatic was raw, no chick records, no real hype other than the MC was dope as 🤬 , he sold nothing with that and its still considered the best hip-hop album ever. Record sales don't really mean 🤬 in the long run but how much the label made off a 🤬 .

    "Again if 2pacalypse Now, wasn't on the radar,
    why the Vice President of the United States Of
    🤬 America Banned His 🤬 ???????"
    **It was because of a situation that had nothing to do with 2Pac foreal . A cat claimed a 2pac song made him 🤬 a police officer, of course a politician reacted by trying to get that album banned. The politicians tried getting several albums banned lol... 2Pac wasn't the only one. This controversy also helped boost album sales for 2Pacalypse Now, which we all know controversy creates cash.**

    "Strictly 4 My 🤬 = Plat , 3 songs on the bill
    board top 100" (movies aren't apart of the discussion we talking strictly music)

    It Debuted at #24 which made it more successful that the first album. If your going to talk record sales, the 🤬 could have at least been #1. Also The Source gave it 2.5 mics....I know that might not mean 🤬 but its funny to see. I'm sure they "re-rated" it later on.

    "94'Thug Life Vol. 1 = gold compilation album,
    Got some Hood Classics on That."
    It was a group album and I couldn't find the chart but I read #42 on Wiki...could be wrong.

    He was in prison when Me Against...came out and it debuted at #1.

    Its incredibly difficult to find figures that aren't inflated by his death but seeing that album 🤬 don't even listen to like 2Pacalypse Now & Strictly For My 🤬 are gold & platinum tells me that your using inflated figures. I've read that Strictly....took months to go Gold let alone platinum upon its release.

    This is the chart info I found for the albums he made while he was alive:
    (1992) 2Pacalypse Now-- #74
    (1993) Strictly...--#24
    (1994) Thug Life...--#?? (42?)
    (1995) Me Against...---#1
    (1996) All Eyes...--#1
    (1996) Makaveli...--#1

    The success of Me Against, All Eyes, & Makaveli can't be denied, he was hot by then. But before that he was "successful" but not THAT dude, like I said before. Being THAT 🤬 =/= gold or platinum albums. That 🤬 depends on promotion & radio play, not real talent or skills. So the chart info is really only because 2Pac marks love to ramble about his album sales, I personally couldn't care less.

    1st off, all i posted, was that Pac had success prior going to deathrow.
    he had 2 gold albums and 2 plat albums by the time he was 24.

    yes he became colossal while on deathrow. but the 🤬 had success prior.
    also, he was on that gangsta 🤬 waaay before deathrow.

    back in the early-mid 90's. aside from Biggie, who was on like 1,000 features on the radio. Snoop, who was on 70% of the chronic. DJ Quik who went Plat, and a few others.

    it was rare 4 a rookie solo rap artist, 2 come out the gate hot selling a milli+.
    u saw progression. u seen it with Nas, Jay, Pac: 1st album #74, 2nd Album #24, 3rd-5th album #1.

    Bon scott
    Ray Charles
    Jimi hendrix
    Elton john
    Bob Marley
    Elvis
    Otis Redding
    Miles Davis
    Jim morrison
    John Lennon
    James Brown
    The Beatles
    Michael Jackson

    ^All have statues,step your knowledge up

    that pac statue in atlanta was funded by his mother btw

    okay....


    u acting like u just listed nobodies . all your saying is,that Pac is up there with the all time greats
  • Cabana_Da_Don
    Cabana_Da_Don Members Posts: 7,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pac goes down next to the beetles you 🤬 .Come on 🤬 .🤬 went diamond and 🤬 .This 🤬 is known around the world.Pac got a 🤬 school named after him.Dudes music is taught in college.Ya 🤬 high on 🤬 to compare Pac to Kurt.Pac got his own institution.
  • Melanin_Enriched
    Melanin_Enriched Your favorite basketball-american gentleman Members Posts: 22,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "bigger impact of their own genre" Y'all 🤬 can't even stick to the parameters of the premise.
  • DanknDrank
    DanknDrank Members Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭✭
    I should forge a Kurt Cobain signature on a 12gauge pump, and put it on ebay just for kicks.....

    Watch how many hurt feelings it cause lmao!!!
  • 704Hustla
    704Hustla Members Posts: 838 ✭✭✭
    lol @ the amount of feelings caught because some people choose pac...lames even tried to do the whole "these 🤬 don't anything outside hip hop" angle..u mad?
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