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Batman vs. Superman is the stupidest idea, ever.
Knives Amilli
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I cant 🤬 wrap my mind around why someone thought this was a good idea.
Its not so much that a movie featuring Batman and Superman is a bad idea. In fact I think THAT'S an awesome idea. In fact I'm positive that "Batman vs. Superman" will really amount to essentially, A "World's Finest" movie ("World's Finest" being the traditional term referring to the Batman/Superman team)...
My problem with it all, is how the titles forces them to market the movie. How the title makes them research the same tired ass "Batman vs. Superman" stories that never made sense (Superman vs. Batman SHOULD NEVER EVER EVEN BE CLOSE), nor never did anything to strengthen the mythos of both characters.
To be frank, Batman vs. Superman as a traditional comic book battle has only ever been written to make Batman look like the 🤬 uber genius Bat-🤬 ......I understand why to an extent; Batman is often written and regarded as the overall "greatest" baseline human in the DC Universe...What greater task is there than a normal guy taking down arguably the most powerful non human being on DC Earth?
But the problem is, Superman has to suffer greatly for it. More times than not, I see Superman as a character get regarded as a joke, and losing to Batman only enhances that perception (nevermind the fact that its supposed to be seen as an impossible task, the whole point is to show how great Batman is).
Not only that, but there's always been this lingering tone in popular culture of "🤬 BATMAN IS SOOOOOO BADASS 🤬 THAT 🤬 ASS SUPERMAN, HE'S BATMAN'S 🤬 " that has persisted since Frank Miller redefined the tone of Batman...Its the same love for "grim and gritty" characters that was the lowpoint of comics for a full decade....A sad sight for myself as the more "traditional superheroes" is why I became a DC fan in the first place (and why I refuse to buy any Nu 52 titles at all).
And finally, it reduces the concept of Superheroes to nothing more than "vs. matchups" which in and of itself, I despise. I dare say that probably 70% of all internet discussion about comic characters are 🤬 vs. matchups, something that is completely at the whim of a writer (SPIDER-MAN HAS CANONICALLY BEAT FIRELORD FOR 🤬 'S SAKE).
Comic book characters are so much more than that imo. Some of the best stories in comics are great because they use the characters and what they stand for/represent to tell a larger, layered story, not solely (or at least JUST because) on how potent in combat they are.
Having Superman (who is supposed to represent human altruism at its greatest potential) and Batman (who represents the power, tragedy, and ultimately futility of vengeance) be featured in what will be a highly promoted, highly visible project to popular culture as mostly celluloid gladiators is an insult.
Selling what should be a "World's Finest" project as "versus" is a disservice to both characters. What should be an opportunity to highlight the essential themes and contrasts between Batman and Superman now has to take a backseat to fanwanking for Batman (because we all know that's how it will turn out). Its already needlessly cynical, gritty, and is an blatant opportunity at appealing to the bloodlust present in moviegoers, a shame because the success of the Nolan trilogy and Man of Steel shows that people have some interest in seeing the core themes of both characters, not just popcorn scenes.
But hopefully im wrong.
Its not so much that a movie featuring Batman and Superman is a bad idea. In fact I think THAT'S an awesome idea. In fact I'm positive that "Batman vs. Superman" will really amount to essentially, A "World's Finest" movie ("World's Finest" being the traditional term referring to the Batman/Superman team)...
My problem with it all, is how the titles forces them to market the movie. How the title makes them research the same tired ass "Batman vs. Superman" stories that never made sense (Superman vs. Batman SHOULD NEVER EVER EVEN BE CLOSE), nor never did anything to strengthen the mythos of both characters.
To be frank, Batman vs. Superman as a traditional comic book battle has only ever been written to make Batman look like the 🤬 uber genius Bat-🤬 ......I understand why to an extent; Batman is often written and regarded as the overall "greatest" baseline human in the DC Universe...What greater task is there than a normal guy taking down arguably the most powerful non human being on DC Earth?
But the problem is, Superman has to suffer greatly for it. More times than not, I see Superman as a character get regarded as a joke, and losing to Batman only enhances that perception (nevermind the fact that its supposed to be seen as an impossible task, the whole point is to show how great Batman is).
Not only that, but there's always been this lingering tone in popular culture of "🤬 BATMAN IS SOOOOOO BADASS 🤬 THAT 🤬 ASS SUPERMAN, HE'S BATMAN'S 🤬 " that has persisted since Frank Miller redefined the tone of Batman...Its the same love for "grim and gritty" characters that was the lowpoint of comics for a full decade....A sad sight for myself as the more "traditional superheroes" is why I became a DC fan in the first place (and why I refuse to buy any Nu 52 titles at all).
And finally, it reduces the concept of Superheroes to nothing more than "vs. matchups" which in and of itself, I despise. I dare say that probably 70% of all internet discussion about comic characters are 🤬 vs. matchups, something that is completely at the whim of a writer (SPIDER-MAN HAS CANONICALLY BEAT FIRELORD FOR 🤬 'S SAKE).
Comic book characters are so much more than that imo. Some of the best stories in comics are great because they use the characters and what they stand for/represent to tell a larger, layered story, not solely (or at least JUST because) on how potent in combat they are.
Having Superman (who is supposed to represent human altruism at its greatest potential) and Batman (who represents the power, tragedy, and ultimately futility of vengeance) be featured in what will be a highly promoted, highly visible project to popular culture as mostly celluloid gladiators is an insult.
Selling what should be a "World's Finest" project as "versus" is a disservice to both characters. What should be an opportunity to highlight the essential themes and contrasts between Batman and Superman now has to take a backseat to fanwanking for Batman (because we all know that's how it will turn out). Its already needlessly cynical, gritty, and is an blatant opportunity at appealing to the bloodlust present in moviegoers, a shame because the success of the Nolan trilogy and Man of Steel shows that people have some interest in seeing the core themes of both characters, not just popcorn scenes.
But hopefully im wrong.
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Shame he gets raked over the coals for essentially doing the same 🤬 Batman does with greater ease.
Also Nature proves that little guys can take on the bad guys with a little planning. Ants have been shown to trapped and repelled large Black Bears that threatened their natural habitat.
The OP makes a convincing argument but the Superman vs Batman thing has been going on for many years.
It's people on comic forums saying that superman at his strongest would still whoop batman's ass even if he had lantern rings
I hope they make another big Green Lantern movie and do a good job on it. Just get rid of the Hal Jordan character and get Jon Stewart to be the Lantern. Or even Guy Gardner.
Wonder if the CW shows like Arrow and Flash will tie into the movieverse.
Yea, because the dumb 🤬 attacked them thinking they attacked him earlier because they had a box. Batman was trynna talk to that stupid 🤬 the whole time. Get off this anti-batman kick you on bruh
Batman don't always gotta knuckle up or overpower someone, dude's mind is also his greatest weapon.
Superman being a brute in his earlier days is even more evidence towards the fact that Batman wouldn't be able to touch him. More evidence that Superman just always holds back in their confrontation. That up there is him with lesser resolve than you're used to reading him with and he's destroying 🤬 Green Lantern constructs like it's nothing. Green Lantern constructs >>>>>>>>> batarangs.
You people can't even plausibly explain how Batman could take on Superman without any contigency's. That's kind of the threadstarter's point. It's the dumbest match up in the world only made possible because both characters are the most popular characters in their publishers deck not because it has any real semblance of logic.
@bolded- Nope, don't care.
@ Everything else- First off at the core, Batman is contingency plans. Everybody and they mama know that in a straight up one-on-one fight Batman would lose horribly to Superman due to superspeed and super strength. Thing is, like Lex Luthor, Batman doesn't always have to resort to physical tactics, which is why both have been able to get the upperhand on Supes at one point or another in time.
No one coming into this movie honestly is gonna sit there and think that human ass Batman is gonna Mayweather Superman. We all expect him to come through with some crazy ass plan or suit like he did in Dark Knight Returns. Everyone with knowledge recognizes that the ONLY way Batman is beating Superman or damn near anyone of his villains for the most part is with a contingency plan. That's a given. That's what makes him who he is. No need to get all butthurt about it pull the " I've been reading comics longer than you so I know everything" card bro. Batman is that 🤬 dude right now. Get over it. 🤬 hate John Cena(horrible comparison, Batman actually takes a loss from time to time) and still watch wrestling. You'll be iight if Bats gets a dub over superman or saves the world one more time.
...and yet the greatest Superman stories ever were written when he was portrayed at his strongest. If anything when Superman's power set was dumbed down and marvelized by John Byrne in the 80's it lead to many of the worst stories in the character's 75 year history.
🤬 like powers shouldn't handicap imaginative writers, they should supplement them and challenge them. Which is why Elliot S! Maggin and Alan Moore and Grant Morrison are amongst the greatest Superman writers of the past 40 years because they understood that. They always wrote about a SUPER man not a farm boy. Thankfully New 52 writers understand that too which is why in 2 years we've had the best depiction of Superman in years popping up on the regular.
Yes because I was the one who grasped at straws and brought up some "anti Batman" agenda that doesn't even exist to try to justify people not praising Batman like he was Jesus. Follow your own advice there chief. You're in here caping for Batman like your name was Catwoman.
Plus you gotta add in the fact that Batman is willing to take it to places Superman ain't so...*shrugs*. I do agree with the way they'd have to market the movie 🤬 though because it will make it look more evenly matched than it should be, but in terms of comics remember why Batman is the only one Superman trusts to take him out if he ever goes rogue.