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Scarface Says Hip Hop Is Intentionally Being Dumbed Down

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  • OhMars
    OhMars أرسل لي الصور من ثدييك Members Posts: 6,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
    His point about urban vs suburban hip-hop is spot on. That's why i hold scarface in such high regard
  • Wild Self
    Wild Self Members Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    merocane wrote: »
    This is not new, though. For over fifteen years, the diminishing importance of Black people on the executive, A&R, label head, etc. has taken place. This is just reaching the pinnacle.

    People talk about the internet, but because the profit margins in the recording industry is bleeding, it is really stamping out a lot of minority voice in mainstream music (creatively and in the corporate world).

    Some that miss the point think this is stating the flood of white artists. Nope. Quite the contrary. There will always be black artists in hip-hop, it is just who is picked to be put on is what changes, and remember..there is always someone willing to 🤬 for $$$, however fleeting the dollars may be.

    For example, look at conscious rap. True conscious rap is more black-friendly than ever. Remember when conscious rap got co-op'd in the 90s and was a college radio/white yuppy type of sound and fanbase?

    Now..Lupe making street records again is easier to relate to than these kingpin duck tales that gets spin. Conscious rappers have been speaking on all of the 🤬 that Macklemore got buzz on, but these white rappers are being promoted as counter programming to the "popcorn" gangsta fantasy rap. White folks view all of this hip-hop 🤬 as entertainment, so once they tired of buying the fantasy of being some hot coke dealer moving weight in D.C., pushing weight in a Lexus..now they want to cornily put down consumerism and materialistic values because they pop tags at a thrift shop. FOH.

    Getting rid of the socially conscious rapper was the worst thing that could have happened to us.
  • Built 4 cuban linx
    Built 4 cuban linx Only Christopher I acknowledge is Wallace At the 36th chamberMembers Posts: 12,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Old irrelevant ass 🤬 need to sit his hating ass down somewhere. Always wanna hate on the young 🤬 getting money
  • StoneColdMikey
    StoneColdMikey mikeyismod CHITOWN THE BEST TOWNMembers, Moderators Posts: 33,543 Regulator
    That sarcasm sucked
  • Ear2DaSt
    Ear2DaSt STREET MILITARY till Infinity !!!! Members Posts: 10,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ruffled some feathers good job Face!
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Old irrelevant ass 🤬 need to sit his hating ass down somewhere. Always wanna hate on the young 🤬 getting money
    I hope that was sarcasm..
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The question we need to be asking: WHEN did the decline start and WHO is merely responsible for bringing in the 🤬 ? We all know the execs in power funded it but from an artist standpoint..WHO?
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityMembers Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The question we need to be asking: WHEN did the decline start and WHO is merely responsible for bringing in the 🤬 ? We all know the execs in power funded it but from an artist standpoint..WHO?

    1992
  • blackrain
    blackrain Members, Moderators Posts: 27,269 Regulator
    Wild Self wrote: »
    merocane wrote: »
    This is not new, though. For over fifteen years, the diminishing importance of Black people on the executive, A&R, label head, etc. has taken place. This is just reaching the pinnacle.

    People talk about the internet, but because the profit margins in the recording industry is bleeding, it is really stamping out a lot of minority voice in mainstream music (creatively and in the corporate world).

    Some that miss the point think this is stating the flood of white artists. Nope. Quite the contrary. There will always be black artists in hip-hop, it is just who is picked to be put on is what changes, and remember..there is always someone willing to 🤬 for $$$, however fleeting the dollars may be.

    For example, look at conscious rap. True conscious rap is more black-friendly than ever. Remember when conscious rap got co-op'd in the 90s and was a college radio/white yuppy type of sound and fanbase?

    Now..Lupe making street records again is easier to relate to than these kingpin duck tales that gets spin. Conscious rappers have been speaking on all of the 🤬 that Macklemore got buzz on, but these white rappers are being promoted as counter programming to the "popcorn" gangsta fantasy rap. White folks view all of this hip-hop 🤬 as entertainment, so once they tired of buying the fantasy of being some hot coke dealer moving weight in D.C., pushing weight in a Lexus..now they want to cornily put down consumerism and materialistic values because they pop tags at a thrift shop. FOH.

    Getting rid of the socially conscious rapper was the worst thing that could have happened to us.

    Nobody got rid of the socially conscious rapper. They never went anywhere
  • FourEfil
    FourEfil Members Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    zombie wrote: »
    white people destroy every culture they touch

    This. When's the last time you had a rock n roll (Heavy Metal, RnB, Soul, Grunge, etc.) mainstream radio?

  • 5th Letter
    5th Letter Black Identified Extremist Members, Moderators, Writer Posts: 37,068 Regulator
    blackrain wrote: »
    Wild Self wrote: »
    merocane wrote: »
    This is not new, though. For over fifteen years, the diminishing importance of Black people on the executive, A&R, label head, etc. has taken place. This is just reaching the pinnacle.

    People talk about the internet, but because the profit margins in the recording industry is bleeding, it is really stamping out a lot of minority voice in mainstream music (creatively and in the corporate world).

    Some that miss the point think this is stating the flood of white artists. Nope. Quite the contrary. There will always be black artists in hip-hop, it is just who is picked to be put on is what changes, and remember..there is always someone willing to 🤬 for $$$, however fleeting the dollars may be.

    For example, look at conscious rap. True conscious rap is more black-friendly than ever. Remember when conscious rap got co-op'd in the 90s and was a college radio/white yuppy type of sound and fanbase?

    Now..Lupe making street records again is easier to relate to than these kingpin duck tales that gets spin. Conscious rappers have been speaking on all of the 🤬 that Macklemore got buzz on, but these white rappers are being promoted as counter programming to the "popcorn" gangsta fantasy rap. White folks view all of this hip-hop 🤬 as entertainment, so once they tired of buying the fantasy of being some hot coke dealer moving weight in D.C., pushing weight in a Lexus..now they want to cornily put down consumerism and materialistic values because they pop tags at a thrift shop. FOH.

    Getting rid of the socially conscious rapper was the worst thing that could have happened to us.

    Nobody got rid of the socially conscious rapper. They never went anywhere

    Their music just wasn't deemed mainstream enough anymore. Even though every once in awhile you will get a record with a message on the radio.
  • Ranxx
    Ranxx I Can't feel DeyaMembers Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jono wrote: »
    If I remember correctly Face used to be an executive so he has some insider knowledge on the subject.

    Yea he was president of Def Jam South, I think he had a hand in signing pre-wack Ludacris

    The question we need to be asking: WHEN did the decline start and WHO is merely responsible for bringing in the 🤬 ? We all know the execs in power funded it but from an artist standpoint..WHO?

    Laffy Taffy/This Is Why Im Hot
  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynMembers Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5th Letter wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.

    you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
    I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.

    True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.
  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynMembers Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.

    you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
    I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.

    True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.

    hell naw... and u said Drake was a multifaceted lyricist lol foh

    He sure ain't doin no Laffy Taffy 🤬 . He does speak on different subjects and has a point, regardless if we like it or not. Mind you, I'm comparing them to ringtone rappers, which isn't hard to beat anyway.
  • SneakDZA
    SneakDZA damn, am I a sinner? Members Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cain wrote: »
    INB4 he's a bitter old 🤬 and doesn't know what he talking about

    They tend to only do that if it's a NY artist. It's some kind of residual regional inferiority complex or something.
  • nujerz84
    nujerz84 NJMembers Posts: 15,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looking at the comments on the hiphopdx article...white boys feeling brave behind a keyboard
  • 5th Letter
    5th Letter Black Identified Extremist Members, Moderators, Writer Posts: 37,068 Regulator
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.

    you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
    I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.

    True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.
    I'd take this slow burn approach over that mid 2000's ringtone garbage.

    There are more rappers than those 4 that can spit. You look at Meek, Wiz, Krit, ASAP Rocky, Troy Ave, Big Sean etc.
  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynMembers Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5th Letter wrote: »
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.

    you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
    I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.

    True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.
    I'd take this slow burn approach over that mid 2000's ringtone garbage.

    There are more rappers than those 4 that can spit. You look at Meek, Wiz, Krit, ASAP Rocky, Troy Ave, Big Sean etc.

    I'm talkin mainstream, those that sell records. Granted, that's not the basis of lyricism, but record sales means that the people are listening to your music. None of them dudes you mentioned cracked platinum or are talked about in the mainstream like that. Hip hop is in a great place in the underground, prolly one of the best eras the underground has ever had. But the mainstream still needs a lot of work.
  • smokelahoma
    smokelahoma Members Posts: 6,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    But just as long as the beat is hot, the hook is catchy, and it makes 🤬 shake their 🤬 . Nothing else matters. Hip hop is still recovering from the damage the ringtone era did to hip hop in the mid to late 2000's.

    you right but hip hop isnt recovering from that. its just living with the effects of it. its like the ringtones are gone but the whack ass music is still around.
    I think there has been a slow transition to lyricism in hip hop again. The dumb 🤬 really isn't as prevalent as before IMO.

    True, but the transition is too slow, and these new cats are gonna fizzle out before they make a real difference. A lot of these new 🤬 are just as dumbed down as the ringtone rappers, but they just say 🤬 faster with more words. Kendrick, Drake, Wale and Cole are the only true multifaceted lyricists in the mainstream. Four dudes out of the dozens of other mufuckas with a record deal. Facemob may have a point come to think about it.

    hell naw... and u said Drake was a multifaceted lyricist lol foh

    He sure ain't doin no Laffy Taffy 🤬 . He does speak on different subjects and has a point, regardless if we like it or not. Mind you, I'm comparing them to ringtone rappers, which isn't hard to beat anyway.

    nah he doin that Ja Rule sing for a 🤬 🤬 yet try to act hard at the same time routine... 🤬 is equally as whack
  • Soloman_The_Wise
    Soloman_The_Wise The Make It Happen Man... Puget SoundMembers Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cain wrote: »
    INB4 he's a bitter old 🤬 and doesn't know what he talking about

    They tend to only do that if it's a NY artist. It's some kind of residual regional inferiority complex or something.

    well here is a conundrum for them Brad Jordan was Born In Jersey and has now Moved to New York as he has stated in the interview. So technically at this point he is east coast born NYC artist...
  • T. Sanford
    T. Sanford Trill Doggy Dogg (Legion Of Trill) Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 25,291 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder why he move from Houston to New York