The Official MMA Thread: Alvarez TKOs Gaethje, Ngannou KOs Overeem, Holloway TKOs Aldo

Short notice fight for Faber, hopefully he did not party too much during the holidays.

And lol at the hypocrisy of MMA fans.

For years people held Sonnen dominanting Silva in their first fight as some sort of thesis on how to beat Silva. Despite Sonnen using TRT and getting busted for elevated levels afterwards no one gave Sonnen no where near this much 🤬 as they're giving Vitor now for using it.

There were legions of Sonnen dickriders justifying TRT usage. Busting out medical journals and 🤬 explaining how Sonnen using TRT was no big deal.

Now even Weidman himself is calling out Vitor for his usage of it. The bias never ceases to amaze me.

GodGivBiz wrote: »

Barao keeping that 🤬 for a long time.

On a side not i really underrated Travis browne. I want to see him fight Cormier. If he beats Cormier he should face Cain.. or even beat Werdum. Theres really nobody else left for Cain.

Cormier fighting Evans next but I think Werdum would be a good fight but I see Browne winning. I think JDS could be a challenge too

If you fans would only know what goes on behind the scenes regarding PED's. I'm not gonna drysnitch but I will say you fans need to realize PED's are part of this sport whether you like it or not.

NothingButTheTruth wrote: »

Silva didn't take over anything in the first fight. He was getting outclassed in the first round, so in the 2nd round he tried and was temporarily successful in throwing Weidman off his gameplan by doing that taunting 🤬 .

That makes no sense. If Weidman didn't go for the taunting in the first round, why would he all of a sudden be thrown off in the second round? Go back and watch the fight again. Silva actually chilled on the taunting a little more in the second round. The time he got caught was really him pulling it out again, and he got caught.

He knew Weidman would be extremely hard to beat if Weidman stuck to his gameplan, so he tried to change the pace to more of his (Silva's) style of fighting. The problem is Weidman has more reach than Silva, so Silva wasn't able to stay clear from danger like he usually does against 90% of the other fighters with shorter reach.

That's not Silva's style at all. People 🤬 me with this revisionist history. Go back and watch his earlier fights. Silva's style revolved more around feeling his opponents out in the first round and then turning it on and destroying his opponent in the following round. All this over the board taunting and BSing during fights didn't even start until the Maia fight.

That taunting tactic is a high risk, high reward maneuver. You can 🤬 your opponent off and throw him off his game, but you can also get caught and put to sleep. Silva happened to get the short end of the stick this time and got knocked out.

No argument here. I'm not sure what your point is though. Besides Silva wasn't using that taunting as a tactic. He only really did that in the Maia fight because Maia was running away the whole time. After that, he pretty much just did it to be a 🤬 . The Weidman fight was no different. Weidman was already the aggressor, so there was no reason to try and bait him into attacking. That's especially true for the second round. After Weidman won the first round, there was no reason for Silva to squat down, drop his hands, and stick out his chin. That was just him being overly confident and stupid.

... He proved he was too skilled for Silva when he kept taking him down with ease, and even winning the stand up exchanges. He proved he was too strong for Silva, when Silva had him in the Muay Thai clinch and Weidman knocked him to the ground with a simple push.

Damn dog, you act like they fought for 8 rounds. It was one round. Do you watch MMA at all? Do you know how many times a fight dominates one round and gets his ass whooped every subsequent round. It happens all the time. Weidman dominating Silva for one round was not indicative that he's too strong or skilled for Silva. Henderson beat Silva the first round and got handled the next round. Lutter put Silva on the ground and controlled him there and still lost. Sonnen dominated Silva the first round of the second fight and still got embarrassed the very next round. Come on man, I can understand you thing Weidman had Silva's number. That's cool, but you're drawing unsupported conclusions here.

... Silva's win over Chael was a definite fluke and that's not up for debate. He lost 4 1/2 rounds straight and got lucky in the last minute. Silva's win over Vitor may not be the standard definition of a fluke, but if they fought again, Silva wouldn't win in that fashion. He would probably lose in his current old man status... and Silva's run is most definitely up. He's finished.

If you think Silva's victory over Chael was a fluke then I don't think you know what a fluke is. A fluke is when some low probability circumstance pops up and unexpectedly works to one fighter's favor. Prior to the Silva fight, Chael had already lost a couple fights he was winning by getting caught in a submission. He himself admitted he got too overzealous trying to finish Silva off. One fighter taking advantage of a mistake another fighter makes and winning is not a fluke especially when the loser is prone to making that kind of mistake. That's called fighting.

Eddie Alvarez vs Michael Chandler 3 is in the works.

LMAO! So Silva fought with a broken rib and lost on purpose for 4 1/2 rounds, just so he could submit Sonnen? Now I see how urban legends start.

And apparently when Silva beats someone twice, it's not debatable, but when Weidman does it, it IS debatable? Hmmm... I guess that makes sense.

And now Weidman is a joke because his 11 fights of which 2 are him defeating Silva, mean nothing. I guess everyone can go undefeated for 11 fights, because that's an easy feat.

I think I get it now. I now see where everyone stands on the subject.

NothingButTheTruth wrote: »

LMAO! So Silva fought with a broken rib and lost on purpose for 4 1/2 rounds, just so he could submit Sonnen? Now I see how urban legends start.

And apparently when Silva beats someone twice, it's not debatable, but when Weidman does it, it IS debatable? Hmmm... I guess that makes sense.

And now Weidman is a joke because his 11 fights of which 2 are him defeating Silva, mean nothing. I guess everyone can go undefeated for 11 fights, because that's an easy feat.

I think I get it now. I now see where everyone stands on the subject.

Silva did fight with an injured rib. That's not an urban legend. It's fact. Sonnen himself acknowledged that he thought something like that was wrong with Silva during the fight.

Also no one is suggesting that Silva lost on purpose for 4 1/2 rounds, but it's a fact that he said he wanted to submit Sonnen before the fight, so that could have played into why he let himself be taken down so easily in the first couple rounds and why he didn't fight harder to get up. If you look at the second fight, you'll see that Silva was more than capable of stuffing Sonnen's TD attempts.

Lastly, who said Weidman is a joke? Stop with the Straw Man 🤬 .

It's a logical fallacy where someone distorts another person's argument and then argues against that distortion rather than addressing what the person actually said.

In this case, some people are suggesting that Weidman isn't that good and only beat Silva as a fluke. @NothingButTheTruth is twisting that by claiming that people are essentially calling Weidman a 🤬 and he's trying to counter that false argument.

Let's go!