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The Official MMA Thread: Alvarez TKOs Gaethje, Ngannou KOs Overeem, Holloway TKOs Aldo

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  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cruz just needs to go on ahead and retire and become an analyst.

    The Lord don't want him to compete.
  • toheeb27
    toheeb27 Members Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Short notice fight for Faber, hopefully he did not party too much during the holidays.
  • DOPEdweebz
    DOPEdweebz What title? www.facebook.com/DOPEdweebzMembers, Moderators, Writer Posts: 29,364 Regulator
    Barao keeping that 🤬 for a long time.

    On a side not i really underrated Travis browne. I want to see him fight Cormier. If he beats Cormier he should face Cain.. or even beat Werdum. Theres really nobody else left for Cain.
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And lol at the hypocrisy of MMA fans.

    For years people held Sonnen dominanting Silva in their first fight as some sort of thesis on how to beat Silva. Despite Sonnen using TRT and getting busted for elevated levels afterwards no one gave Sonnen no where near this much 🤬 as they're giving Vitor now for using it.

    There were legions of Sonnen dickriders justifying TRT usage. Busting out medical journals and 🤬 explaining how Sonnen using TRT was no big deal.

    Now even Weidman himself is calling out Vitor for his usage of it. The bias never ceases to amaze me.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Eatin pussy and kickin ass Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well if you're a 🤬 like Sonnen is people are gonna look to 🤬 on you.
  • Say What
    Say What Members Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭
    GodGivBiz wrote: »
    Barao keeping that 🤬 for a long time.

    On a side not i really underrated Travis browne. I want to see him fight Cormier. If he beats Cormier he should face Cain.. or even beat Werdum. Theres really nobody else left for Cain.

    Cormier fighting Evans next but I think Werdum would be a good fight but I see Browne winning. I think JDS could be a challenge too
  • DOPEdweebz
    DOPEdweebz What title? www.facebook.com/DOPEdweebzMembers, Moderators, Writer Posts: 29,364 Regulator
    I think ALL TRTusers are cheaters. Vitor, Dan Henderson, Couture, Sonnen and etc. They still are amazing fighters tho. Its a catch 22. I just hope Weidman gets called fumble the same way white MMA fans been calling Jones that for years.
  • Muhannad
    Muhannad Members Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you fans would only know what goes on behind the scenes regarding PED's. I'm not gonna drysnitch but I will say you fans need to realize PED's are part of this sport whether you like it or not.
  • High Revolutionary
    High Revolutionary Members Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Will Munny wrote: »
    Well if you're a 🤬 like Sonnen is people are gonna look to 🤬 on you.

    The point was, Sonnen got a pass for using TRT and Vitor isn't getting the same courtesy. I suspect why but it's just lame seeing the blatant hypocrisy.

  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Silva didn't take over anything in the first fight. He was getting outclassed in the first round, so in the 2nd round he tried and was temporarily successful in throwing Weidman off his gameplan by doing that taunting 🤬 .

    That makes no sense. If Weidman didn't go for the taunting in the first round, why would he all of a sudden be thrown off in the second round? Go back and watch the fight again. Silva actually chilled on the taunting a little more in the second round. The time he got caught was really him pulling it out again, and he got caught.
    He knew Weidman would be extremely hard to beat if Weidman stuck to his gameplan, so he tried to change the pace to more of his (Silva's) style of fighting. The problem is Weidman has more reach than Silva, so Silva wasn't able to stay clear from danger like he usually does against 90% of the other fighters with shorter reach.

    That's not Silva's style at all. People 🤬 me with this revisionist history. Go back and watch his earlier fights. Silva's style revolved more around feeling his opponents out in the first round and then turning it on and destroying his opponent in the following round. All this over the board taunting and BSing during fights didn't even start until the Maia fight.
    That taunting tactic is a high risk, high reward maneuver. You can 🤬 your opponent off and throw him off his game, but you can also get caught and put to sleep. Silva happened to get the short end of the stick this time and got knocked out.

    No argument here. I'm not sure what your point is though. Besides Silva wasn't using that taunting as a tactic. He only really did that in the Maia fight because Maia was running away the whole time. After that, he pretty much just did it to be a 🤬 . The Weidman fight was no different. Weidman was already the aggressor, so there was no reason to try and bait him into attacking. That's especially true for the second round. After Weidman won the first round, there was no reason for Silva to squat down, drop his hands, and stick out his chin. That was just him being overly confident and stupid.
    ... He proved he was too skilled for Silva when he kept taking him down with ease, and even winning the stand up exchanges. He proved he was too strong for Silva, when Silva had him in the Muay Thai clinch and Weidman knocked him to the ground with a simple push.

    Damn dog, you act like they fought for 8 rounds. It was one round. Do you watch MMA at all? Do you know how many times a fight dominates one round and gets his ass whooped every subsequent round. It happens all the time. Weidman dominating Silva for one round was not indicative that he's too strong or skilled for Silva. Henderson beat Silva the first round and got handled the next round. Lutter put Silva on the ground and controlled him there and still lost. Sonnen dominated Silva the first round of the second fight and still got embarrassed the very next round. Come on man, I can understand you thing Weidman had Silva's number. That's cool, but you're drawing unsupported conclusions here.
    ... Silva's win over Chael was a definite fluke and that's not up for debate. He lost 4 1/2 rounds straight and got lucky in the last minute. Silva's win over Vitor may not be the standard definition of a fluke, but if they fought again, Silva wouldn't win in that fashion. He would probably lose in his current old man status... and Silva's run is most definitely up. He's finished.

    If you think Silva's victory over Chael was a fluke then I don't think you know what a fluke is. A fluke is when some low probability circumstance pops up and unexpectedly works to one fighter's favor. Prior to the Silva fight, Chael had already lost a couple fights he was winning by getting caught in a submission. He himself admitted he got too overzealous trying to finish Silva off. One fighter taking advantage of a mistake another fighter makes and winning is not a fluke especially when the loser is prone to making that kind of mistake. That's called fighting.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Eatin pussy and kickin ass Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muhannad X wrote: »
    If you fans would only know what goes on behind the scenes regarding PED's. I'm not gonna drysnitch but I will say you fans need to realize PED's are part of this sport whether you like it or not.

    Yeah it's bad.
  • DOPEdweebz
    DOPEdweebz What title? www.facebook.com/DOPEdweebzMembers, Moderators, Writer Posts: 29,364 Regulator
    Lol @ Weidman proved he was superior.

    @nothingbutthetruth yourr trolling bruh.

    Im sure if Vitor somehow dashes Weidman youll be the first to say "belfort >>> silva"

    People forget Silva was doing major damage from the bottom. By MMA rules Weidman was winning but realistically until the "miracle" it was most likely going to be Carlos Condit vs Rory MacDonald again.

    Key word = most likely.
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Silva became old man status the minute Chael beat him up for 4 1/2 rounds. That was the turning point and when objective fans could tell he wasn't the same mostly because Chael is a joke, and also because he would no longer have a mental edge over his opponents. People now knew he was beatable.

    The only other mysterious, unbeaten tactic Silva had left was his little taunt thing. Once Weidman knocked him out during the taunt, the legend and mystery of Anderson Silva was over. There was nothing mysterious about his fighting style anymore and he could be countered like any other fighter.

    ... There's no such thing as doing damage from the bottom in UFC, you still lost the round. Watch the fight, Silva was getting rocked ridiculous. Weidman is too big and skilled for him.

    Weidman proved he was superior to old-man Silva by beating him twice in a row SMH. Give dude his props.

    SN: I'm not saying Weidman is better than prime Silva, I'm saying he's better than old-man Silva... and beating fighter X, when fighter X already defeated fighter Y, does not make you better than fighter Y. Fighting style matchups play a huge part in who wins.
  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Who I am is Complex, What i am, simply put. I'm a Threat walking out the lions denGuests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wasnt silva dealing with a broken rib and death in his family during that fight?
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    pralims wrote: »
    wasnt silva dealing with a broken rib and death in his family during that fight?

    Yep, and before the fight he specifically said he wanted to win via submission for the Nog bros.
  • lurkinassnigga
    lurkinassnigga Members Posts: 453 ✭✭✭
    Eddie Alvarez vs Michael Chandler 3 is in the works.

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  • jono
    jono Right fist = power, left fist = unity Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dude trying too hard. Sonnen fought a good fight but he lost, he got a rematch and got washed..there is nothing fluky about that. He clearly beat the man twice and it's not debatable lol.

    You tryna stretch a fluke win for silva for some reason and 🤬 just don't stand up under scrutiny when you 🤬 win by submission...🤬 ain't tap out by mistake bro.

    As far as weidman is concerned, he got Vitor next and if he wins (convincingly) he looks more official, if he loses then he was a joke like many believe him to be. The ball in his court. He better bring his A+ game because folks gonna really be critical of him. If Vitor wins that doesn't mean that Vitor can beat silva and if Weidman wins it doesn't validate his wins over silva.
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LMAO! So Silva fought with a broken rib and lost on purpose for 4 1/2 rounds, just so he could submit Sonnen? Now I see how urban legends start.

    And apparently when Silva beats someone twice, it's not debatable, but when Weidman does it, it IS debatable? Hmmm... I guess that makes sense.

    And now Weidman is a joke because his 11 fights of which 2 are him defeating Silva, mean nothing. I guess everyone can go undefeated for 11 fights, because that's an easy feat.

    I think I get it now. I now see where everyone stands on the subject.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Eatin pussy and kickin ass Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Silva was da 🤬 .

    Sports go in generations whether we admit it or not.

    Silvas generation was at if end.

    Weidman took silvas glory.

    That was that and if was wrap
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LMAO! So Silva fought with a broken rib and lost on purpose for 4 1/2 rounds, just so he could submit Sonnen? Now I see how urban legends start.

    And apparently when Silva beats someone twice, it's not debatable, but when Weidman does it, it IS debatable? Hmmm... I guess that makes sense.

    And now Weidman is a joke because his 11 fights of which 2 are him defeating Silva, mean nothing. I guess everyone can go undefeated for 11 fights, because that's an easy feat.

    I think I get it now. I now see where everyone stands on the subject.

    Silva did fight with an injured rib. That's not an urban legend. It's fact. Sonnen himself acknowledged that he thought something like that was wrong with Silva during the fight.

    Also no one is suggesting that Silva lost on purpose for 4 1/2 rounds, but it's a fact that he said he wanted to submit Sonnen before the fight, so that could have played into why he let himself be taken down so easily in the first couple rounds and why he didn't fight harder to get up. If you look at the second fight, you'll see that Silva was more than capable of stuffing Sonnen's TD attempts.

    Lastly, who said Weidman is a joke? Stop with the Straw Man 🤬 .

  • 2stepz_ahead
    2stepz_ahead Who I am is Complex, What i am, simply put. I'm a Threat walking out the lions denGuests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 32,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    what the hell is straw man?
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    It's a logical fallacy where someone distorts another person's argument and then argues against that distortion rather than addressing what the person actually said.

    In this case, some people are suggesting that Weidman isn't that good and only beat Silva as a fluke. @NothingButTheTruth is twisting that by claiming that people are essentially calling Weidman a 🤬 and he's trying to counter that false argument.
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth stew Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Silva did fight with an injured rib. That's not an urban legend. It's fact. Sonnen himself acknowledged that he thought something like that was wrong with Silva during the fight.

    Also no one is suggesting that Silva lost on purpose for 4 1/2 rounds, but it's a fact that he said he wanted to submit Sonnen before the fight, so that could have played into why he let himself be taken down so easily in the first couple rounds and why he didn't fight harder to get up. If you look at the second fight, you'll see that Silva was more than capable of stuffing Sonnen's TD attempts.

    Lastly, who said Weidman is a joke? Stop with the Straw Man 🤬 .
    jono wrote: »
    Dude trying too hard. Sonnen fought a good fight but he lost, he got a rematch and got washed..there is nothing fluky about that. He clearly beat the man twice and it's not debatable lol.

    You tryna stretch a fluke win for silva for some reason and 🤬 just don't stand up under scrutiny when you 🤬 win by submission...🤬 ain't tap out by mistake bro.

    As far as weidman is concerned, he got Vitor next and if he wins (convincingly) he looks more official, if he loses then he was a joke like many believe him to be. The ball in his court. He better bring his A+ game because folks gonna really be critical of him. If Vitor wins that doesn't mean that Vitor can beat silva and if Weidman wins it doesn't validate his wins over silva.
  • Will Munny
    Will Munny Eatin pussy and kickin ass Members Posts: 30,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • DOPEdweebz
    DOPEdweebz What title? www.facebook.com/DOPEdweebzMembers, Moderators, Writer Posts: 29,364 Regulator
    Silva became old man status the minute Chael beat him up for 4 1/2 rounds. That was the turning point and when objective fans could tell he wasn't the same mostly because Chael is a joke, and also because he would no longer have a mental edge over his opponents. People now knew he was beatable.

    The only other mysterious, unbeaten tactic Silva had left was his little taunt thing. Once Weidman knocked him out during the taunt, the legend and mystery of Anderson Silva was over. There was nothing mysterious about his fighting style anymore and he could be countered like any other fighter.

    ... There's no such thing as doing damage from the bottom in UFC, you still lost the round. Watch the fight, Silva was getting rocked ridiculous. Weidman is too big and skilled for him.

    Weidman proved he was superior to old-man Silva by beating him twice in a row SMH. Give dude his props.

    SN: I'm not saying Weidman is better than prime Silva, I'm saying he's better than old-man Silva... and beating fighter X, when fighter X already defeated fighter Y, does not make you better than fighter Y. Fighting style matchups play a huge part in who wins.
    Old man status doesnt occourd when you dont dominate as usual. its called a bad match up for Silva.

    Chael is a joke? You prove right there you do not watch MMA. he's not a good LHW, but at MW he is no joke.

    Asilva already lost twice b4 Chael. He wasnt undefeated. Maybe in the UFC but there's been video of his gettin beaten in Pride twice. once by miracle, the other one he got dominated from beginning to end.

    Silva KOD Okami in two rounds and beta him easily and Vitor within one round. There goes that mental edge.

    I was also one of the few people who picked white Jon Jones over Silva the first time but not the second time. So I'm def a huge fan of both and follow both.

    \Silva was doing damage from the bottom he was bleeding. What you meant was you cant win a round in most cases from doing more damage from the bottom. But that can still lead to enough damage later on in helping you finish ya opponent. I'm talking form a punishment standpoint. Dont be ignorant.

    Fact Weidman did not out right beta Silva the second time. That was fluke and you know it. If I break my hand over ya face and i cant continue you will tell everyone you beat me up? i shoot just shoot you in the face instead for being that brainless. And the first time Silva lost was once again being very cocky, look at the punch that caught Silva it was awkward as 🤬 .

    Btw you change your opinion after you're likea black Skip bayless but more extreme. Anyways. State opinions of what you think Weidman will do. hell even put some money where your mouth is. Imo hes a bad match up for Vitor also and I see Weidman pretty much owning the MW scene for awhile. Even against machida, but machida has beaten wrestlers b4. We'll see.