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Is Ghostface's Diss To Action Bronson = No Vaseline, Hit Em Up & Ether?

5 Grand
5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 2015 in The Reason
A good diss is devastating. The combination of the beat and the organization of the punchlines immediately strikes you.

I remember hearing The Bridge Is Over for the first time. When he said, "Roxanne Shante is only good for steady 🤬 " everybody went "ooohhh"

The thing about this Ghostface diss is that the beat comes from left field. He's talking over an old soul song. He sounds like a grandfather sonning his grandson. I don't think I've ever heard a diss song so laid back (actually, Snoop made a diss to Suge Knight that was pretty laid back but it didn't have much of an impact imo).

So what's the verdict? Is this one of the great disses?

Or will people forget about this after a few months?

Will Action Bronson be able to bounce back from this? Is this a career-ending diss?

Will Action Bronson be able to respond with his back to the wall like Nas responded to Takeover?

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  • Billy_Poncho
    Billy_Poncho Vox Populi Members Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a great diss, but a big part of a diss making it on that level is the caliber of artist it's against.
  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a great diss, but a big part of a diss making it on that level is the caliber of artist it's against.

    Good point. Everybody said Nail In The Coffin was such a great diss, but he was dissing Benzino, who never had a reputation for being an ill MC in the first place.
  • phukkyou2
    phukkyou2 Members Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2015
    Damage Control 101
  • murdap
    murdap "they are what we thought they were and we let them off the hook"Members Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭
    Where the bars? If bronson drop an ether 2.0 wu tang fans gone looking sick in the face. Wu-tang overrated.

    Styles p>>>>> ghostface
  • Knightryder
    Knightryder Members Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Takeover is better than ether.......

    and the ripper strikes back is better than 2nd round knockout........


    those are the goat, battles in hip hop as far as im concerned........

    hit em up and no vaseline is cool but they are one sided.....


    jay, nas, cool j and canibus are the goats.......

    honorable underated mention, beans vs jadakiss......thats where it stops


    the goat battles of hiphop
    jay nas, cool j canibus, and kiss and beans 🤬 the rest
  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    murdap wrote: »
    Where the bars? If bronson drop an ether 2.0 wu tang fans gone looking sick in the face. Wu-tang overrated.

    Styles p>>>>> ghostface

    Maybe Ghost is just setting Bronson up. If Action Bronson responds with some bars, Ghost will shoot right back.

    Personally, I don't think Action Bronson can win this beef by 'responding with bars'.
  • bck145
    bck145 East CoastMembers Posts: 4,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2015
    Easy answer no

    It's not a song, just a guy who's pissy that someone said he's better than them...what he did with the song is funny but the rest isn't anything special, ppl talk 🤬 on YouTube all the time
  • wilberdmillz
    wilberdmillz Members Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    wtf?
  • murdap
    murdap "they are what we thought they were and we let them off the hook"Members Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭
    Takeover was drippin with wack juice so was the reply to ether "super ugly" when he dropped them garbage ass bars trying to go at nas. Jay was on some tyson 🤬 and nas buster douglased his ass.

    Funniest rap beef was when j hood went in on jada.
  • KNiGHTS
    KNiGHTS Mr. Fifth Letter Your ConscienceMembers Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's a great dis only because of who it is from. Hit Em Up, Vaseline, and Ether are all songs by non-violent play play gangsters.

    Ghost's rep is throwing 🤬 down stairs, smacking people, and punching them in the face over simple 🤬 . This is a public threat from someone that is essentially about that life having his legacy mocked. Didn't he throw a reporter down a flight or steps and stomp him out over an article when Wu was JUST getting started? He's eating off legacy at this point, so Bronson going at his plate.

    There's a reason dude hopped on Twitter apologizing about life.
  • za'kiss
    za'kiss Members Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2015
    It's a great diss, but it's not a rap diss. It's debatable whether it's a song, but I can't call it rap. You gotta come with bars to be considered alongside the great rap disses.

    "Hit 'Em Up" was an effective diss at some level, but overall weak as a rap diss because it didn't have bars really. 2Pac's best rap diss was "Against All Odds" IMO. He bodied the entire East Coast on that joint and did it with sheer lyricism. It's why it's inspired and influenced so many diss records. It's perhaps the most underrated diss song simply because it's arguably the best, or at least one of them.

    "Ether" also had bars. So did "Takeover." But the most lyrical diss of that whole beef for me was the "Stillmatic" freestyle. It's also what got Nas' buzz back in the streets. "Ether" is an overall better song as far as songs go, though. That hook is legendary and almost packed more punch than Nas' entire first verse (his second verse is fire though). I thought "Takeover" was kind of weak as a song since I thought it had a lot of cheesy elements, but lyrically it's fire.

    I also think Mobb Deep's "Drop A Gem On 'Em" is an extremely underrated rap diss, even if well respected as a song.


  • clairvoyance
    clairvoyance Members Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hold up are you guys talking about the Teddy Pendergrass vid?? Really??cmon im a fan too but this is getting ridiculous....

    Close thread...
  • soul rattler
    soul rattler Chief Petty Officer of the Ill Community Naval Command HOOYAHMembers Posts: 18,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You joking right?

    Please don't tell me you ripped the audio from YouTube and blasted in the car.

    Corny ass
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    🤬 no.

    We always say put it in a rap for a reason.
  • Nkombe
    Nkombe Members Posts: 114 ✭✭
    edited July 2015
    Not really a diss, but real talk.

    Bronson can't respond. He apologize and erased it like it never happened. Someone is in this dudes ear and he's half stepping. He doesn't know what to do. Shutting up and taking this L will be best. He can't win this one.

    He disrespected the father of his style and was put in his place. If it wasn't for Ghostface, he wouldn't be this popular and he knows it. There would be no "he sounds like Ghost" conversations. No reason to mention him. He should be thankful.

    HE HAD A GRACE PERIOD!
  • dwade206
    dwade206 Members Posts: 11,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Takeover is better than ether.......

    and the ripper strikes back is better than 2nd round knockout........


    those are the goat, battles in hip hop as far as im concerned........

    hit em up and no vaseline is cool but they are one sided.....


    jay, nas, cool j and canibus are the goats.......

    honorable underated mention, beans vs jadakiss......thats where it stops


    the goat battles of hiphop
    jay nas, cool j canibus, and kiss and beans 🤬 the rest

    "...you love the attention."
  • bkzlostchild
    bkzlostchild Members Posts: 651 ✭✭✭✭
    Dont mind seeing these two go at each other on wax because I 🤬 with both their music.

    Good that this beef is happening, rap game is getting kinda dry
  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynMembers Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In this generation, yes... cuz the most heated battle they will ever see in their lifetime is Kanye West vs Taylor Swift. For Ghost, this is just a good ol fashioned 🤬 talkin call out... word to J Prince's skits, the Chronic intro and 50's mixtape rants.
  • BackInWhite
    BackInWhite Members Posts: 23,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are you 🤬 cereal?
    Like....serial cereal?
  • sully
    sully Members, Writer Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    KNiGHTS wrote: »
    I think it's a great dis only because of who it is from. Hit Em Up, Vaseline, and Ether are all songs by non-violent play play gangsters.

    Ghost's rep is throwing 🤬 down stairs, smacking people, and punching them in the face over simple 🤬 . This is a public threat from someone that is essentially about that life having his legacy mocked. Didn't he throw a reporter down a flight or steps and stomp him out over an article when Wu was JUST getting started? He's eating off legacy at this point, so Bronson going at his plate.

    There's a reason dude hopped on Twitter apologizing about life.

    Posted this in the other thread but i'll post it again.

    RZA once wrote about a story that perhaps illustrates this strength quite well. “I remember a concert at the Harlem Armory in uptown Manhattan,” he shared in The Wu-Tang Manual. “The knights of The Wu were there to perform with other Rap crews when a fight broke out. People were fighting onstage, backstage, everywhere. It was just one of those days, when the whole place is fighting. People are swinging and kicking. Coca-Cola cans are flying fast as bullets, hitting people in the head. It was chaos. In the center of it, you see one man. There he is. Pants down to his knees. Two guys on one arm. Two guys on another arm. Two guys on his legs. He’s throwing arms, pushing through—he’s just unstoppable. Ghostface. He was like The Thing. Just throwing 🤬 !”

    http://genius.com/discussions/62824-How-rakim-slick-rick-and-nas-illmatic-influenced-ghostface-killah
  • willywanker
    willywanker what?Members Posts: 787 ✭✭✭✭
    Nope it's just a video of a bitter old man talking 🤬 and sending death threats, lol at how excited you clowns get because he had a soul beat playing in the background.
  • Dyergram
    Dyergram Members Posts: 104 ✭✭
    Your comparing a video of a dude talking to actual contributions to hip hop? No in answer to your question 🤬 NO.
  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dont mind seeing these two go at each other on wax because I 🤬 with both their music.

    Good that this beef is happening, rap game is getting kinda dry

    Do we really need to hear ghost battle himself?

    A rhyme battle between these two makes the least sense imo.

    I think ghost would look like a fool battling someone who clearly stole his style, made money and then 🤬 on him. I think the only logical thing to do from here is, to lay him down. This is a little different then past MC battles between artists who in many cases were polar opposites in style and substance.





  • semi-auto-mato
    semi-auto-mato Members Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought the video was funny myself. im watching thinking is this 🤬 in the attic? why does he keep bending down? my next thought was why is a 40 plus year old 🤬 talking about shooters in a rap beef? if you gonna call on shooters keep that 🤬 quiet. overall I give the video 5/10. I gotta take points for the camera view. as far as a diss goes. its not a song so it doesn't count
  • a-grave247
    a-grave247 Members Posts: 780 ✭✭✭✭
    The Ghost 🤬 riding on here is ridiculous. How can you compare that video to a 🤬 diss song with bars,punchlines and metaphors! Ilike Ghost, but when the 🤬 riding is this bad I'm going to have to say something