National Gestapo police union calls on Trump to reverse the ‘ban on racial profiling’…

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National police union calls on Trump to reverse the ‘ban on racial profiling’

The National Fraternal Order of Police issued a statement suggesting a number of policy proposals for the incoming President-Elect Donald J. Trump, including among them, a request to “reverse or amend the broad, Bush-era ban on racial profiling.”

President George W. Bush issued guidelines in July 2003 barring federal agents from using race or ethnicity as a factor in their investigations, although the policy carved out “narrow” circumstances in situations where federal agents were trying to “identify terrorist threats and stop potential catastrophic attack.”

Per the Fraternal Order of Police website, the organization views racial profiling as a “statistical disparity,” arguing legislation places the burden on “law enforcement agency to somehow prove itself innocent of engaging in the unlawful use of race in its procedures and practices.” The organization also takes issue with the protection of “racial and ethnic minorities,” thereby “excluding members of other races.”

Trump has indicated he would take a much less hard-lined approach than his predecessors with regard to racial profiling, arguing as recently as September that police need more leeway to investigate suspects on the basis of their race.

“Our local police — they know who a lot of these people are,” Trump said in September. “They are afraid to do anything about it because they don’t want to be accused of profiling.

“They see somebody that’s suspicious, they will profile,” Trump added. “Look what’s going on: Do we really have a choice? We’re trying to be so politically correct in our country, and this is only going to get worse.”

The police union supported Trump during the general election, releasing a statement in September touting his “real commitment to law enforcement.”

“We have a candidate who declined to seek an endorsement and a candidate without any record as an elected official,” national president, Chuck Canterbury said in a statement. “Mr. Trump, however, has seriously looked at the issues facing law enforcement today. He understands and supports our priorities and our members believe he will make America safe again.”

Study after study indicates racial profiling does not work, and in fact “may actually be counterproductive” to solving crimes.


  • Elzo69RenaissanceElzo69Renaissance Never selling dreams, always serving cream SeattleMembers Posts: 50,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    what about black cops
  • texas409texas409 Members Posts: 20,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    so cops want to be German Nazis now?
  • not_osirus_jenkinsnot_osirus_jenkins Sion Members, Banned Users Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Waiting to see what rises from the ashes..
  • NoCompetitionNoCompetition Members Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    I think you have two camps. The ones who realized the possible ramifications going in and their place in it, so did their part when it was time and are now on to the next things. And then those who thought it was more important to watch reruns than to help select the course of the country going forward. Reruns were more important. The first camp are the doers and none of this type thing is news. The second camp is behind the curve and just now learning and has a lot to still learn.
  • Go figureGo figure Sion the GoGuests, Members, Confirm Email, Writer Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016

    The official document released by the Police Union (bolded the racial profiling part)

    Potential Actions Through Executive Order or Action
     Pledged to rescind Executive Order 13688 which imposed limits on State and local law
    enforcement equipment programs throughout the Federal government
     Impose a restriction on some or all Federal aid and grant programs to “sanctuary cities”
     Local and State governments who are “sanctuary cities” and those who may have granted
    documents (like drivers’ licenses or other photographic identifications) which have
    names and addresses of persons unlawfully present in the U.S. may purge these databases
    so that they cannot be shared with the Federal government or law enforcement
     End the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and, using the Federal database
    to identify those in the U.S. unlawfully, initiate their deportation
     End access to the U.S. from “terrorist-prone” areas where there is little confidence in the
    ability of immigration officials to conduct full vettings
     End the Priority Enforcement Program (PEP) at the Bureau of U.S. Immigration and
    Customs Enforcement (ICE), potentially restoring Project Safe Neighborhoods (PSN) or
    a re-prioritization of the Federal approach to immigration enforcement
     Expansion of the 287(g) program
     Could reverse the change in U.S.-Cuba relations, perhaps until such time as the copkillers
    harbored there are returned to the U.S.
     De-prioritize implementation of some or all of the recommendations made by the
    President’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing
     Issue new directives to U.S. Attorneys to prioritize violent crimes and to seek the death
    penalty in Federal cases involving the murder of a law enforcement officer
     Direct Federal law enforcement agencies to not pursue violations of Federal drug laws
    even in States which have passed legislation legalizing the use, manufacture and
    possession of marijuana
     Direct Federal agencies to support research into medical marijuana
     Reverse the position of the Federal government on the use of private prisons
     Reverse the Executive Orders with respect to background checks for firearms purchases,
    authority of the Social Security Administration to provide information on the mental
    health of its beneficiaries, funding and directed research for “gun safety” technology
    Reverse or amend the broad, Bush-era ban on racial profiling by all or some Federal

    Potential Legislative Initiatives
     Legislation entitled the “End Illegal Immigration Act,” to establish a 2-year mandatory
    minimum Federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous
    deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with
    felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations;
    also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying
     Legislation entitled the “Restoring Community Safety Act” to establish a task force on
    violent crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist State and local law
     Legislation to repeal, and possibly replace, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care
    Act (ObamaCare) which may end the impending “Cadillac tax” that is slated to take
    effect in 2018

    PLEASE NOTE: This document is a predictive summary of potential actions that the Trump
    Administration may take in its first 100 days and is based on statements from the campaign and
    media reports up to the time the document was distributed to FOP members. It is not an
    advocacy document and does not represent the FOP's agenda for the first 100 days of the
    incoming Administration. It is an advisory to our members as to what may happen when the new
    Administration takes over.
  • Go figureGo figure Sion the GoGuests, Members, Confirm Email, Writer Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FOP: Anti-Racial Profiling Act Offensive To Police
    02/24/2016 -Labor News
    WASHINGTON, DC –– Senators heard contentious testimony on the state of racial profiling in America, the first such hearings since Sept. 11, 2001.

    A state legislative committee in Alabama approved revisions to parts of its controversial immigration law on Tuesday.

    One of those revisions expands the circumstances in which a police officer can check the status of an individual he suspects to be an illegal alien. Now, a police officer involved in a traffic stop can ask the passengers in an automobile about their immigration status.

    The change sparked debate among lawmakers, some of whom brought up the issue of racial profiling in their arguments.

    "My wife should not have to be checked because I receive a ticket," said democratic Rep. Napoleon Bracy.

    Known as HB56, the law makes it a crime to be in the state illegally, and limits the state from entering into contracts with an illegal alien, complicating such mundane tasks as renewing a car tag.

    A House committee relaxed other provisions in the law, including one that made it a crime for people to aid an illegal immigrant – including churches.

    The law is considered one of the toughest in the country, and engendered outrage by citizens and privacy rights advocates, including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

    The state was sued by the U.S. Justice Department and various other organizations and individuals. Some parts of the law – including provisions that required immigrants to carry documentation – have been prevented from taking effect.

    The hearing happened just days after an affidavit from the Florida State Attorney's Office stated that 17–year–old Trayvon Martin was "profiled" by 28–year–old George Zimmerman before the neighborhood watch captain killed him.

    Martin's death, Arizona's controversial immigration law (Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act–SB 1070) and the practice of profiling people of Middle Eastern descent were all discussed before an overflowing chamber.

    "Trayvon was murdered by someone who thought he looked suspicious," said Rep. Frederica Wilson, D–FL. "It is a sad reality that we have to teach boys [about racial profiling] just to survive in their own communities."

    East Palo Alto, CA, Chief of Police Ronald Davis echoed Wilson.

    "Even though I'm a police chief with more than 27 years of experience, I know that when I teach my son how to drive, I will have to teach him what to do when he gets stopped by the police," he said.

    Davis, who has worked as a law enforcement officer in East Palo Alto and Oakland, CA, also testified more than 10 years ago at the last Senate Judiciary Committee on racial profiling.

    Testimony addressed the End Racial Profiling Act of 2011, which would prohibit law enforcement agencies from using racial profiling in their investigations. It would also put into motion programs to eliminate current profiling efforts across the country.

    However, Officer Frank Gale, the second vice president of the Fraternal Order of Police, told senators that the act would hurt relations between police and minorities more than it helps, and it defined racial profiling in terms that were "too broad."

    "It is clear that racism is morally and ethically wrong," said Officer Frank Gale, the second vice president of the national Fraternal Order of Police. "[But] this bill provides an answer to a problem that doesn't exist, unless you believe that law enforcement is patently racist."

    He said the bill was "offensive" to members of the Fraternal Order of Police, the nation's largest law enforcement labor organization, because it assumed that a person was "a racist because of the color his uniform."

    Davis later countered Gale's statements, telling the hearing that the bill was not offensive but was rather a way of ensuring that being a police officer didn't make an individual "exempt from the Constitution or exempt from accountability."

    He also said that as a law enforcement officer and as a black man, he's seen racial profiling from both sides. As an officer, he told Senators of profiling white people in an area of Oakland, as the majority of people who purchased drugs in the area were white.

    The practice was ineffective. He said criminal profiling by staying attentive for signs of a drug deal were more effective than profiling based on race.

    President of the conservative Center for Equal Opportunity Roger Clegg called profiling "problematic," but shocked onlookers as he continued his testimony.

    "While I am no fan of racial profiling I think we have to recognize that it's going to be tempting for the police if there is a disproportionate amount of crime committed by African Americans," he said, claiming that the issue lies in the number of black children who are born out of wedlock.

    He also advocated for monitoring Muslim groups in the interest of national security, although he conceded that the issue of racial profiling is complicated and multifaceted.

    A letter to Graham and Sen. Richard Durbin, chairman of the subcommittee, touched on this issue in particular.

    On behalf of 35 national organizations, including the religious freedom group the Interfaith Alliance, the NAACP and the Islamic Society of North America, the letter criticized religious profiling "which may sometimes also be used as a proxy for race, ethnicity or national origin."

    "We appreciate that most law enforcement officials discharge their duties honorably," the letter said. However, practices that target a specific religions group "not only have the effect of discriminating against religion generally and religious minorities in particular, but also fuel divisiveness by casting suspicion over an entire religious community."

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, a ranking member on the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Human Rights, seemed inclined to agree with Clegg, although he also noted that the issue was problematic.

    "How do you fight homegrown terrorism without fighting a particular faith?" he asked. "I hope we will not get so sensitive to this issue that we will unilaterally disarm [the U.S.]."

    Clegg told senators the occurrence of racial profiling was over exaggerated by the media and activists, a point which Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) countered.

    "The data we have already shows us there's a problem," he said, citing statistics from the New York ACLU division of drivers pulled over in New York between 2002 and 2011. About 88 percent of those pulled over were found innocent of any wrongdoing, but black and Latino residents made up a whopping 87 percent of those stopped.

    "Let's collect more data and let's make some remedies," he said.

    The End Racial Profiling Act of 2011 was introduced by Sen. Benjamin Cardin, D–MD, on Oct. 6, 2011.

    Sieger, Theresa. "FOP: Anti–Racial Profiling Act 'Offensive' To Police". April 17, 2012.–anti–racial–profiling–act–offensive–to–police
  • blackamericablackamerica Members Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "But what's wrong with meeting with the president?"

    "How is Kanye a 🤬 by meeting with the president"

    "Trump is the president, nothing wrong with this. Black ppl are just overreacting"

    "It's a chess move"

    Meantime this 🤬 Trump is about to legalize racial profiling and have even MORE 🤬 killed by cops. This is straight out the white supremacist playbook
  • ghostdog56ghostdog56 Members Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So we gonna act like we ain't already getting racially profiled
  • babelipsssbabelipsss Members Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt racial profiling ever ended.

    Why is Kanye a part of this? He's a performer, not a policy maker.
  • TrillfateTrillfate "i used to like the Ride more now i like the Race...i used like the Prize more now i like the Chase" Members Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Next headline: Trump to re-legalize slavery
  • CopperCopper The WickMembers Posts: 49,531 ✭✭✭✭✭
    babelipsss wrote: »
    I doubt racial profiling ever ended.

    Why is Kanye a part of this? He's a performer, not a policy maker.

    And no one thinks kanye made the policy to racial profile
  • 7figz7figz Still don’t nothing move but the money Members Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    Copper wrote: »
    babelipsss wrote: »
    I doubt racial profiling ever ended.

    Why is Kanye a part of this? He's a performer, not a policy maker.

    And no one thinks kanye made the policy to racial profile

    Apparently he was there to negotiate an exclusion for blond-haired Black folk.
  • 313 wayz313 wayz Members Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They really trying to increase black folk in the school to prison pipeline by knocking down racial profiling....I already know there will not be any police / prison reform during Trump's administration
  • D. MorganD. Morgan Not even on social media BUT.... I'M SWAGGIN SO HARD I FUCKED THE GRAM UPMembers Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    So in other words the police going to continue to do what they've been doing.

    Legal or illegal the police on all levels still racially profiled black people regardless of it being illegal.

    I just can't get up in arms about some 🤬 thats BEEN going on just because now they MIGHT get to do it without getting a finger waved in their face to the public telling the police they're wrong but behind closed doors they're told great job.

    Racial profiling is as wrong as 2 left shoes but even when it was made illegal they kept doing it and everybody knew it.

    So why should I act like this some new 🤬 Trump and his folks is introducing and be all up in arms about it?

    I got more important 🤬 to deal with.
  • 5th Letter5th Letter Black Identified Extremist Members, Moderators, Writer Posts: 37,068 Regulator
    Black people are getting racially profiled now. While there was supposedly an anti racial profiling law. So remind me again what in the 🤬 is the difference?
  • Ajackson17Ajackson17 On the shoulders of Giants and Elders in history UniverseMembers Posts: 22,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So ya'll are going to work together or nah?
  • D. MorganD. Morgan Not even on social media BUT.... I'M SWAGGIN SO HARD I FUCKED THE GRAM UPMembers Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    Copper wrote: »
    Subjugation is always horrible, but when that Subjugation becomes backed by law it gets worse ten fold

    Honestly I hear that and I get that in most cases.

    Tell me how you feel stop and frisk will get worse IF it gets signed into law when it never slowed down when it was law that the 🤬 was illegal.
  • zzombiezzombie Members Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What has Trump said what's the official position on this request
  • TrillfateTrillfate "i used to like the Ride more now i like the Race...i used like the Prize more now i like the Chase" Members Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    313 wayz wrote: »
    They really trying to increase black folk in the school to prison pipeline by knocking down racial profiling....I already know there will not be any police / prison reform during Trump's administration

    Make America Hate Again
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