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What's the biggest reason for the disconnect between the younger and older generation of hip hop fan
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Logical Truths wrote: »The older generation secretly envys the money that the younger generation is able to generate.
In my opinion I dont think the younger generation has anything against the older generation except when they receive hate. I've seen many young artists sample music they grew up on, and give props in interviews.
Rap has evolved on so many levels since its birth. Its sad that it all can't be enjoyed together, but I guess that's what money does.
Along with this its the quality of music that generates this high income, and the lack of skill from some of these newer rappers
You right. People like Rakim and G Rap put in work. I dont recall ever hearing them two hate on anybody, but you can only imagine how that feels. Some of these new artists are literally playing on the mic. -
I dunno but the older generation was going diamond,triple,quadruple platinum
these kats are going certified wood for the most part
and if they do go plat it takes alot longer
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Logical Truths wrote: »The older generation secretly envys the money that the younger generation is able to generate.
In my opinion I dont think the younger generation has anything against the older generation except when they receive hate. I've seen many young artists sample music they grew up on, and give props in interviews.
Rap has evolved on so many levels since its birth. Its sad that it all can't be enjoyed together, but I guess that's what money does.
Along with this its the quality of music that generates this high income, and the lack of skill from some of these newer rappers
I think this is part of it...i think some of the older more technically skilled rapper see dudes getting it w less talent and simpler music n feel a certain way. Is like NBA players from the 80's n 90's seeing new dudes playing in a "softer" era n don't always respect they scoring bc of the new rules -
it's not the rappers it's the fan base without fans buying the 🤬 there is no rapper
at the same time it's kinda fake back then you had to back what came out your mouth with big giant dudes
these days lil skinny dudes be talking hard and people buy it but back then you would of got challenged
now they can use there homies to protect them back then you had to hold your own weight
there is so much that is different
but also hypocrisy like for example they say old rappers don't live that shooting life that 🤬 life they speak of judging them
but the lil skinny non 🤬 rappers be talking like they 🤬 it's the same thing you may not be talking shooting or as violent but you still talking hard when they not hard like the old school rappers
you still not being bout that life but just cuz you not rapping super 🤬 they point fingers but still do the same and maybe even worse cuz the old school rappers was bout that life just get false accused at times. -
another thing is the new mfs are making music that sounds good in the club and prob under the influence of something. i cant stand that mumble rap 🤬 , but if im in the club/lounge/bar drinkin something, not gonna lie it starts soundin alright lol. most of the older generation aint out there in the clubs and 🤬 like that.
the new generation isnt as concerned with longevity. theyre makin singles. they take a hot sound, go with it, get their download money and run with it. -
What is mumble rap to you?
Im not a grammar freak
I notice in my time listening to hip hop there are times you can't understand what is said
it's either said to fast or slightly mumbled to me that's fine as long as the majority is understandable
grammar freaks demand that you rhyme words the way the technically correct way them folks speak it
Im not feeling that let urban 🤬 be urban 🤬 -
Just read this thread
"These young nigggas this...these young 🤬 that"
My 🤬 Bodie broke this divide down beautifully on the wire...or maybe it was Poot
"These youngins are a new breed...it's the end of the world" -
808HiLife808 wrote: »another thing is the new mfs are making music that sounds good in the club and prob under the influence of something. i cant stand that mumble rap 🤬 , but if im in the club/lounge/bar drinkin something, not gonna lie it starts soundin alright lol. most of the older generation aint out there in the clubs and 🤬 like that.
the new generation isnt as concerned with longevity. theyre makin singles. they take a hot sound, go with it, get their download money and run with it.
My thing is that the so called mumble rap imo is horrible BUT i don't understand it, and I also recognize that it ain't for me. Let the young 🤬 enjoy their era's hip hop. My only issue is that we need to be more understanding of each other's point of view and show respect both ways.
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Maturity!
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Old Testament of Hip Hop Era was from 1973 - 2006
We are in the New Testament of Hip Hop Now... The year 2007 was beginning of a New Testament of Hip Hop ... Where is Social Media defines your credentials not the streets and not recording labels...These are the New Rules
And this was the defining moment when Hip Hop/Rap officially change forever... remember this
So People like Gene Simmons from Kiss from others genres and the older generations Of Hip Hop heads can finally understand and accept that Today's Hip Hop is the New Rock & Roll for this generation worldwide now. -
Alot of the younger generation doesnt really care about the history of the culture. I grew up on 90s hiphop but i would talk with the older heads and go back n listen to all the good 🤬 that dropped n the 80s.
Without KRS, Kool g, Rakim, LL, Kane, PE, Run DMC there would be no Nas Jay Big or Pac. -
Just read this thread
"These young nigggas this...these young 🤬 that"
My 🤬 Bodie broke this divide down beautifully on the wire...or maybe it was Poot
"These youngins are a new breed...it's the end of the world"
Yeah. And I dont think this is really a "thing" that really matters like that. Nobody cares if somebody doesnt like "mumble rap" you just sound salty making up bitter names. The thing is Im old enough to be bitter apparently but Im not. The Dre relevancy thread was mentioned and maybe its a little bit of backlash from the youngsters. None of it really matters to me because I listen to new songs that I like on the radio or wherever and older songs too. There is really no divide to me. If I dont like it that stands too but the age has nothing to do with that.
There are some differences, now things move faster used to be less coming out. If you cant enjoy current music, thats on you nobody cares. So thats part of it people talking about what they "dont like" getting tired.
The "gap" wont get bridged with those who are too bitter. And it doesnt really matter much outside of little "attacks" back and fourth on here. As its been for years, when people jump in their ride and turn on the stereo none of these discussions matter like that.
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The main problem is the old generation came in when hip hop was in its infancy, so the styles still tried to pay homage to the rappers before them and in turn kept the essence of what made rap RAP.
What we have now is RAP/HIP-HOP is now pop music, Simple as that. So what has occurred is hip-hop is following the same watered down formula that pop music follows in order to make music, But its all my generation was raised on really so we defend it despite it being in some ways terrible. the beats now IMO are much better than most of the 00's but they are beginning to all sound the same.
I mean look at metro boomin, talented guy don't get me wrong but his trap music style has dominated for 3-4 years now. You got future and 🤬 like lil yatchy doing pop songs, 🤬 like G-eazy who is obviously just a industry plant to make money. Everyone's just trying to make money and as history has shown time and time again when something needs to be mass produced the quality diminishes.
TLDR; Old heads grew up before rap became pop music and 🤬 wasnt just trying to get money, Young 🤬 like myself grew up on 🤬 just trying to get money but its basically all we know so were gonna defend it.
Actually Drake is to blame for this 100%Old Testament of Hip Hop Era was from 1973 - 2006
We are in the New Testament of Hip Hop Now... The year 2007 was beginning of a New Testament of Hip Hop ... Where is Social Media defines your credentials not the streets and not recording labels...These are the New Rules
And this was the defining moment when Hip Hop/Rap officially change forever... remember this
So People like Gene Simmons from Kiss from others genres and the older generations Of Hip Hop heads can finally understand and accept that Today's Hip Hop is the New Rock & Roll for this generation worldwide now.
@Sorrow_🤬 ...Exactly
Kanye West is the fore father of Drake so Kanye West is the one the blame
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People who relate more with the older culture immediately cut off the lines for communication when they use exaggerated language and say things like "hip hop is dead". It's such mellow dramatic nonsense, because there's been dope hip hop the whole time if you were willing to dig for it. But people are so stuck on the stuff they grew up with that they completely forget about all of the BS music that was produced during their time just so they can 🤬 on what's being made now. They'll quickly dismiss the 🤬 kids listen to but neglect the 🤬 like Tip Drill, party like a rock star, This is Why I'm Hot, and that whole snap music phase.
As soon as you try to engage people from a place of superiority you've ended the conversation. Nobody wants to listen to you talk about the culture with a condescending tone and finger wagging. -
Old Testament of Hip Hop Era was from 1973 - 2006
We are in the New Testament of Hip Hop Now... The year 2007 was beginning of a New Testament of Hip Hop ... Where is Social Media defines your credentials not the streets and not recording labels...These are the New Rules
And this was the defining moment when Hip Hop/Rap officially change forever... remember this
So People like Gene Simmons from Kiss from others genres and the older generations Of Hip Hop heads can finally understand and accept that Today's Hip Hop is the New Rock & Roll for this generation worldwide now.
Too many Kanye 🤬 riders here to understand that at the time Kanye was considered a fake conscious rapper propped up by the industry vs a fake gangster commercial rapper. -
Listencloser wrote: »Old Testament of Hip Hop Era was from 1973 - 2006
We are in the New Testament of Hip Hop Now... The year 2007 was beginning of a New Testament of Hip Hop ... Where is Social Media defines your credentials not the streets and not recording labels...These are the New Rules
And this was the defining moment when Hip Hop/Rap officially change forever... remember this
So People like Gene Simmons from Kiss from others genres and the older generations Of Hip Hop heads can finally understand and accept that Today's Hip Hop is the New Rock & Roll for this generation worldwide now.
Too many Kanye 🤬 riders here to understand that at the time Kanye was considered a fake conscious rapper propped up by the industry vs a fake gangster commercial rapper.
@Listencloser
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New 🤬 cant C the old 🤬
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What is mumble rap to you?
Im not a grammar freak
I notice in my time listening to hip hop there are times you can't understand what is said
it's either said to fast or slightly mumbled to me that's fine as long as the majority is understandable
grammar freaks demand that you rhyme words the way the technically correct way them folks speak it
Im not feeling that let urban 🤬 be urban 🤬
For a definition of mumble rap see future, future lite aka Designer, young thug and all the other auto tune trap 🤬 n wannabes. -
The two won't embrace each other equally or as Stew said, respect. The old want to hang on to the old way of things and won't give the young 🤬 a chance and the young 🤬 won't respect the older heads because they diss them anyways. If you can't put differences aside to respect and embrace both sides and generations, Hip-Hop cannot grow.
Grow into what?
There is such thing as a Jazz or Blues standard as an example. While yes, there have been various interpretations of said standards those who interpret haven't attempted to change.. That is the difference. If, 🤬 want to bastardized Hip Hop as an art form with no standards or traditions they need to not call it Hip Hop. Find some other 🤬 to leech onto. We have 🤬 riding Hip Hop's coat tails only to say "I am not a Hip Hop artist", "I'm not an MC", "I don't want to be put into a box". Well then these types need to find some other 🤬 leech off of. You don't have Blues guitarist saying BB King wasn't 🤬 and they don't want to be identified as a "Blues guitarist". You don't have Jazz trumpeters saying Miles wasn't 🤬 and they don't want to be identified as a "Jazz trumpeter". This 🤬 is happening in Hop Hip at an alarming rate. These no talent 🤬 buzz off of Hip Hop then about face on some "don't box me in". FOH.
And where is Jazz today ? I think Hip-hop and Jazz are bad examples as Hip-hop transcends music and incorporates art, dance, film, fashion and other things. It's a culture not entirely based around music the way Jazz is.
That being said in order for things to grow you need to give it autonomy. That's not to say it shouldn't have limits but if you don't have 2 generations co-operating you're going to have people like 50 Cent saying "Master P is irrelevant", 🤬 like Lil Yachty and Uzi Vert saying 🤬 the old heads and Pete Rock and 🤬 like Drake making it ok to have writers. Without the two you're not gonna have Rakims, G-Raps, Slick Ricks touring the way the Rolling Stones, Eagles or Metallica still can cuz 🤬 are quick to say 🤬 em they're irrelevant.
There's a disconnect in rap between old heads and young heads.
What do you mean where is Jazz?
Jazz is a perfect example and the fact that you cannot make the correlation bolsters my argument that part of the disconnect is the younger generation being willfully ignorant.
Jazz has permeated all of the areas you mentioned. Jazz has\had specific dances, Jazz has been in films and Fashion long before Kool Herc spun a record or Crazy legs did a backspin. Jazz is a culture. One that in order to actually be proficient at it, you have to live it, love it and study it.
Again grow into what? You have knot answered my question yet. Hip Hop being a global commodity says nothing about the POSITIVE growth of the art form. Commercial success is achieved via strong marketing not strong product.
50 cent saying master p is irrelevant has to be taken in context. Perhaps master P is irrelevant. Rakim is irrelevant if, put in a commercial context. Artistically Rakim can never, ever be irrelevant because, he has offered Hip Hop timeless art.
One of the disconnects is younger folks not respecting the experience\history of elder Hip Hoppers as I said previously and this conversation is proof positive.
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numbaz...80's baby wrote: »The "old heads" 🤬 all of this 🤬 up. You cant blame the youth.
The apple dont fall far from the tree. It's a process to go from great to 🤬 . 🤬 didnt create itself.
Who told thes kids its cool to talk about drugs and violence? They didnt teach themselves.
Who started wearing these 🤬 ass clothes? They didnt just wake up one day and say im going to wear tight clothes. That 🤬 was pushed on them just like baggy jeans were pushed on us.
I don't know you tell us who started wearing 🤬 clothes. What I can tell you since you seem to have no knowledge on the subject. Baggy clothes was the direct result of Hip Hop breaking away from the WHITE EUROPEAN designers who made form fitting clothes and from White entertainment influence in general. This began with Run-DMC. Fast foward White entertainment influence is has pretty much overtaken Hip Hop since early the 2000's now we see 🤬 running around looking like skaters,Boy George, David Lee Roth and Stephen Tyler.
And what about these guys
^^^ and in the same vein some of those guys were real life gangsters and would 🤬 a 🤬 in a heart beat if them called them "🤬 " based on how they dressed.
If, you are going to attempt to make a point at least be genuine.
1. Milli Vanilli aren't Hip Hop artists
2. Using a Random picture of 70's fashion is not Hip Hop
3. You offered several pictures of the same group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5. Which, they have said over and over those photos are from photo shoots, or shows in which they had just performed. Bboys didn't dress that way, nor did the average Hip Hopper. Run-Dmc has also said, many times the reason they wore Addidas and Levi's is because, that's what the average Hip Hopper wore. Not what we saw groups like Furious and Soul Sonic wearing in photo shoots and stage performances. So, what you once again have done is shown your ignorance of Hip Hop. What you are trying to use as proof is an anomaly. Which, if you have watched Style Wars, B-Street, or Krush groove you would know that's not how Hip Hoppers were getting down. Being that I lived that time period I know first hand what the real is.
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2017 rappers looking like anime characters and video game villains
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why they comparing to 70s instead of 90s fashion?
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Overall when you're younger you don't wanna listen to ppl trying to school you...Especially random ppl. You might listen to your uncles or other blood but that's about it. You tryna make the game go your way and do ur own thing your own way.
Fashion, hairstyles, how you move through the world, how you view the world....all these things shape how you approach the music....and how you receive the music. Younger folks gonna do their music differently because their experience in the time is different. And as fake and flaw as it may seem to older ppl it's real to younger ppl. In their world it is. Same way as the generation before saw the now old ppl coming up.
You ain't tryna hear no old ppl tell u this and that. Especially when you're inundated with a high amount of old 🤬 🤬 . It's a further turn off.
All this plus hip hop and the black male experience in general is built on a (pseudo) prideful culture and few ppl are freely willing to admit they are wrong....young or old.
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pretty much true^
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Older people may look at it like they moving like us but we just more authentic
I could try to adapt my ear to the newer stuff but that 🤬 mostly sounds wack
kids are some easily influenced it's easy to steer them wrong
If you go to high school with mostly the majority you become heavily influenced as a minority
cartoons influence,movies,tv shows like degrassi influence
kids are show how it is and tend to think it's reality
these kids wanna be basketball players and football players influenced by their coach
i mean they are told not to be like uncle so and so that got locked up a drug dealer drop out
they get moved to rich neighborhoods and are taught certain behavior is the norm
get along with the majority make best friends with robby and this becomes mainstream
being hood and acting bad get's looked at as being foolish
more people want music that represents how they live and come across so times change
to older kats u just miss the real 🤬
you can't back track to some real 🤬 you got to be groomed into such a pedigree
