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Amazon, Facebook, Google and other tech giants urge Trump to continue DACA program

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  • ghostdog56
    ghostdog56 Members Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mr.LV wrote: »
    ghostdog56 wrote: »
    AZTG wrote: »
    Its 🤬 up. DACA was for kids whose parents brought to the US ans they grew up in the US their whole life.

    Whats 🤬 up is, after living in the US always feeling disenfranchised and then finally get told that you are legal and finally feel home in America and then have it taken away.

    What's really 🤬 up is black people building this country while being disenfranchised and already being legal and made to not feel at home but we still put illegal muthafuckas before us. Black people are like the person at the grocery store who has a full basket of 🤬 that needs to be checked out but keep letting people with one or two items in front of them

    It's really not our fight ,Black Americans need to sit this one out.

    I guess it's fair for 🤬 to think this way, but I hope ya'll realize that with or without this DACA 🤬 , brown people are going to replace us in power and stature in this country very soon. It would make more since for us to move to have them as allies now than to wait until they are second to whites in the country and have both of them against us.

    Either way. Like I said before, even if you don't want to stand up for them, you shouldn't be jumping on the racist white bandwagon to stand against them either.

    Can you show me where immigrants want to be black peoples allies? And let's say we do become their "allies" then who will protect us from them when they get what they need from us considering that they have a home country and we don't? Black people in America have no allies all we have is us but most of you would rather trust others before your own
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mr.LV wrote: »
    Mr.LV wrote: »
    ghostdog56 wrote: »
    AZTG wrote: »
    Its 🤬 up. DACA was for kids whose parents brought to the US ans they grew up in the US their whole life.

    Whats 🤬 up is, after living in the US always feeling disenfranchised and then finally get told that you are legal and finally feel home in America and then have it taken away.

    What's really 🤬 up is black people building this country while being disenfranchised and already being legal and made to not feel at home but we still put illegal muthafuckas before us. Black people are like the person at the grocery store who has a full basket of 🤬 that needs to be checked out but keep letting people with one or two items in front of them

    It's really not our fight ,Black Americans need to sit this one out.

    I guess it's fair for 🤬 to think this way, but I hope ya'll realize that with or without this DACA 🤬 , brown people are going to replace us in power and stature in this country very soon. It would make more since for us to move to have them as allies now than to wait until they are second to whites in the country and have both of them against us.

    Either way. Like I said before, even if you don't want to stand up for them, you shouldn't be jumping on the racist white bandwagon to stand against them either.

    I'm not standing against them or for them. It is simply not our fight.

    One of the things that BLM and other people protesting police brutality have pointed out to other groups is that "After they are finished abusing us, they are coming for you." Don't you think that applies to us here too? I'm not saying they'll deport us, but when it comes to this 🤬 , Trump is basically making policy decisions based on nothing but racism. When he's done with the Hispanics, he's going to turn his attention to us. Wouldn't it be better to have a united front among all people that are against white supremacy regardless of color?
  • ghostdog56
    ghostdog56 Members Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mr.LV wrote: »
    Mr.LV wrote: »
    ghostdog56 wrote: »
    AZTG wrote: »
    Its 🤬 up. DACA was for kids whose parents brought to the US ans they grew up in the US their whole life.

    Whats 🤬 up is, after living in the US always feeling disenfranchised and then finally get told that you are legal and finally feel home in America and then have it taken away.

    What's really 🤬 up is black people building this country while being disenfranchised and already being legal and made to not feel at home but we still put illegal muthafuckas before us. Black people are like the person at the grocery store who has a full basket of 🤬 that needs to be checked out but keep letting people with one or two items in front of them

    It's really not our fight ,Black Americans need to sit this one out.

    I guess it's fair for 🤬 to think this way, but I hope ya'll realize that with or without this DACA 🤬 , brown people are going to replace us in power and stature in this country very soon. It would make more since for us to move to have them as allies now than to wait until they are second to whites in the country and have both of them against us.

    Either way. Like I said before, even if you don't want to stand up for them, you shouldn't be jumping on the racist white bandwagon to stand against them either.

    I'm not standing against them or for them. It is simply not our fight.

    One of the things that BLM and other people protesting police brutality have pointed out to other groups is that "After they are finished abusing us, they are coming for you." Don't you think that applies to us here too? I'm not saying they'll deport us, but when it comes to this 🤬 , Trump is basically making policy decisions based on nothing but racism. When he's done with the Hispanics, he's going to turn his attention to us. Wouldn't it be better to have a united front among all people that are against white supremacy regardless of color?

    Bruh this is America when have they not been coming for us regardless of who's in office?
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ghostdog56 wrote: »

    Bruh this is America when have they not been coming for us regardless of who's in office?

    How old are you? Just curious. Just contrast the elections for George H. W. Bush and Trump. Bush flat out used racism against blacks to get elected. His strategists used the violent black man stereotype and the black welfare queen as campaign tactics to win the election. And politicians had been doing that for decades before hand and then using that propaganda to enact policies that they knew specifically hurt blacks. They admitted to this 🤬 . Now look at Trump's election. It was mostly about racism against Hispanics and Muslims with a few anti-black shots thrown in here and there. The fact is, right now, the country has progressed to the point where we're not the only ones under fire. It would make a lot more sense to link up with people who are finally coming around to see the truth, rather than push them away and hope it doesn't come back to bite us one day.
  • babelipsss
    babelipsss Members Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    Sure it makes sense to link up. But that's never going to happen. They have shown us repeatedly that they aren't interested in our situations. They need our support but that doesn't mean they support us. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. This is simply not our fight. Hate it for them but that's about all.
  • farris2k1
    farris2k1 Members Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why all know why trump is doing this, 🤬 supporting this decision that was made cause hes a 🤬 bigot/wants to undo everything obama did
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    babelipsss wrote: »
    Sure it makes sense to link up. But that's never going to happen. They have shown us repeatedly that they aren't interested in our situations. They need our support but that doesn't mean they support us. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. This is simply not our fight. Hate it for them but that's about all.

    Who is they? I keep telling ya'll, you need to get that white programming out of your heads. You're treating Hispanics like a monolith the same way White people treat us as a monolith. Sure, the fresh over the border Mexicans often think like that, but what proof do you have that the most or many of these Americanized immigrants that are part of this program think like that? You might be right, but it seems like a lot of black people like clinging to these paranoid notions that everyone is out to get us. Sure, a lot of other groups look down on us, but that's by design. They've been programmed to do that. Hell, the programming has been good enough that a lot of us look down on us. The same way you aren't going to dismiss the idea of working within the black community because some blacks are 🤬 is the same way you shouldn't dismiss working with groups outside of the black community just because members of some of those groups are racist.

    Again, I'm speaking from the standpoint of doing what's best for the black community, and I don't see where isolating ourselves from everyone is what's best for us. If we're at war with white supremacy, then we need all the help we can get because we don't have the power or influence to defeat it alone.
  • MarcusGarvey
    MarcusGarvey Members Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    Illegal immigrants should never have a path to citizenship (and yea DACA didnt have a pathway)

    Listen bruh, im talking Black Americans descendants of slaves (which im not) - dont cheapen your citizenship
  • #1hiphopjunki3
    #1hiphopjunki3 Sion Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    a white man not as educated as you has a higher chance of getting hired before you. but 🤬 think Pablo from Mexico is standing in their way

    if companies don't want to hire your black ass, guess what? they won't hire your black ass

    you get rid of illegals, and companies will just hire legal hispanics, legal whites, legal asians etc. over legal blacks. regardless of position and regardless of education. this ain't new

    your beef is with these companies, not with illegals. but the white man whose been 🤬 you over since day one convinced you to blame illegals, and here you are...

    This is always my argument. How can you blame the people who are getting hired and not the people who are doing the hiring?

    The people who are hiring illegal immigrants are the real problem not the people coming over here. People wouldn't come here if they knew there wasn't any opportunity but all these folks who claim to love the country and complain about illegals are the ones hiring them
  • AggieLean.
    AggieLean. Sion Country ass nigga.Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
    babelipsss wrote: »
    Sure it makes sense to link up. But that's never going to happen. They have shown us repeatedly that they aren't interested in our situations. They need our support but that doesn't mean they support us. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. This is simply not our fight. Hate it for them but that's about all.

    Who is they? I keep telling ya'll, you need to get that white programming out of your heads. You're treating Hispanics like a monolith the same way White people treat us as a monolith. Sure, the fresh over the border Mexicans often think like that, but what proof do you have that the most or many of these Americanized immigrants that are part of this program think like that? You might be right, but it seems like a lot of black people like clinging to these paranoid notions that everyone is out to get us. Sure, a lot of other groups look down on us, but that's by design. They've been programmed to do that. Hell, the programming has been good enough that a lot of us look down on us. The same way you aren't going to dismiss the idea of working within the black community because some blacks are 🤬 is the same way you shouldn't dismiss working with groups outside of the black community just because members of some of those groups are racist.

    Again, I'm speaking from the standpoint of doing what's best for the black community, and I don't see where isolating ourselves from everyone is what's best for us. If we're at war with white supremacy, then we need all the help we can get because we don't have the power or influence to defeat it alone.

    Aren't you mixed my man? Or light skinned? I'm all for helping out, but as a dark skinned man, I've been overseas to where a lot of these immigrants are from and I've seen how they treat darker skinned individuals and/or brown/dark skinned blacks...exactly like these white folks. I will help out, but I don't think I can or should depend on them to be an ally of mine. Truth of the matter is, some of these immigrants and their families here in the US and their home countries think and treat us just like white folks do.
  • MarcusGarvey
    MarcusGarvey Members Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    a white man not as educated as you has a higher chance of getting hired before you. but 🤬 think Pablo from Mexico is standing in their way

    if companies don't want to hire your black ass, guess what? they won't hire your black ass

    you get rid of illegals, and companies will just hire legal hispanics, legal whites, legal asians etc. over legal blacks. regardless of position and regardless of education. this ain't new

    your beef is with these companies, not with illegals. but the white man whose been 🤬 you over since day one convinced you to blame illegals, and here you are...

    This is always my argument. How can you blame the people who are getting hired and not the people who are doing the hiring?

    The people who are hiring illegal immigrants are the real problem not the people coming over here. People wouldn't come here if they knew there wasn't any opportunity but all these folks who claim to love the country and complain about illegals are the ones hiring them

    Thats why Dems and GOP came out against this, they like the cheap labor
  • JoshuaMoshua
    JoshuaMoshua Members Posts: 358 ✭✭✭✭
    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Inaction leads to failure
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AggieLean. wrote: »
    babelipsss wrote: »
    Sure it makes sense to link up. But that's never going to happen. They have shown us repeatedly that they aren't interested in our situations. They need our support but that doesn't mean they support us. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. This is simply not our fight. Hate it for them but that's about all.

    Who is they? I keep telling ya'll, you need to get that white programming out of your heads. You're treating Hispanics like a monolith the same way White people treat us as a monolith. Sure, the fresh over the border Mexicans often think like that, but what proof do you have that the most or many of these Americanized immigrants that are part of this program think like that? You might be right, but it seems like a lot of black people like clinging to these paranoid notions that everyone is out to get us. Sure, a lot of other groups look down on us, but that's by design. They've been programmed to do that. Hell, the programming has been good enough that a lot of us look down on us. The same way you aren't going to dismiss the idea of working within the black community because some blacks are 🤬 is the same way you shouldn't dismiss working with groups outside of the black community just because members of some of those groups are racist.

    Again, I'm speaking from the standpoint of doing what's best for the black community, and I don't see where isolating ourselves from everyone is what's best for us. If we're at war with white supremacy, then we need all the help we can get because we don't have the power or influence to defeat it alone.

    Aren't you mixed my man? Or light skinned? I'm all for helping out, but as a dark skinned man, I've been overseas to where a lot of these immigrants are from and I've seen how they treat darker skinned individuals and/or brown/dark skinned blacks...exactly like these white folks. I will help out, but I don't think I can or should depend on them to be an ally of mine. Truth of the matter is, some of these immigrants and their families here in the US and their home countries think and treat us just like white folks do.

    I'm mixed (about a quarter white). I'm not really light skinned though. I do understand what you're saying, but I'll also point out that Hispanic Americans and Hispanics in their countries of origin don't think the same. The same African Americans don't think the same as Africans. Part of the reason the DACA people are so upset is that they feel no familiarity or solidarity with their old country or the people in it.

    I'm not saying all these people are going to be our friends. Of course not, but what is wrong with advocacy groups for our causes and advocacy groups for their causes coming together when there is a common interest. They support our protests when we need the bodies. We do the same for them. They get people out to vote for causes that concern us but don't hurt them. We do the same for them. I ain't saying you have to invite these people over to your house for BBQs, but blacks only make up 13% of this country. We're quickly going to get to a point where we are basically powerless. Meanwhile these Hispanics will essentially have the power we used to have, and some of the people in here want to make enemies out of them. That's not tactically sound.
  • rickmogul
    rickmogul IFNOTYNOT Members Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    Let me ask y'all. How many jobs have u all ever Interviewed for first of all? Second, we're u denied employment continuously or something? Reason is, In the past 21 working years of my corporate career, I can only recall not getting ONE job! ONE! No Mex,Azn,etc. have been factors for disqualify me and I've sat with them in the lobby and got the jobs over their ass multiple times. Hiring managers have NEVER BEEN BLACK either. Believe N yaself that when u go for that gig u'll get it. I don't like hearing " They Gon hire Mex, they Gon hire white ova Us. etc.". I'd X a homie outta my life if he brought that energy round me and check a broad too. What's 4 U is 4 U, it's written! Just gotta get @ it!
  • blackrain
    blackrain Members, Moderators Posts: 27,269 Regulator
    So for the "its got nothing to do with black folks" crowd you really think no black people would be affected by this?
  • blue_london
    blue_london Members Posts: 2,387 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol this reminds me of brexit got the black British saying immigrants are making it worse once they get rid of the immigrant do they really think black people are going to be viewed on the same level as white population?
  • MarcusGarvey
    MarcusGarvey Members Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    blackrain wrote: »
    So for the "its got nothing to do with black folks" crowd you really think no black people would be affected by this?

    Vast majority w/ DACA work permits are Mexicans
    Why should african americans care? Always want the moral police but these allies dont do 🤬 when your ass is on fire
  • babelipsss
    babelipsss Members Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭
    African Americans won't gain or lose anything if Daca fails or passes. It is simply not our fight. It is what it is.
  • The Lonious Monk
    The Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Members Posts: 26,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    ghostdog56 wrote: »

    Can you show me where immigrants want to be black peoples allies? And let's say we do become their "allies" then who will protect us from them when they get what they need from us considering that they have a home country and we don't? Black people in America have no allies all we have is us but most of you would rather trust others before your own

    It's not about trusting others before trusting our own. Frankly, that's almost a cartoonishly stupid interpretation of what I'm saying. Black people have to be for black people. My point is that there will come a time when that is not enough because all of the power black people can amass will be relatively miniscule. I'm not talking about trusting any other group to be our buddies. You think Britain trusted France in WWI. No. They had been enemies for hundreds of years. They just recognized a greater common enemy and allied with each other to take down that threat. It's the same with us now. White supremacy is the major enemy to all people of color and even lower class whites. So wouldn't it make sense to work with whoever was willing to take it down? The only thing you have to trust as that brown people don't like being 🤬 on by white elites anymore than we do. Again, you're missing the point that I'm not talking about doing this to help them. I'm talking about doing this because ultimately having them on our side helps us.
    blackrain wrote: »
    So for the "its got nothing to do with black folks" crowd you really think no black people would be affected by this?

    Vast majority w/ DACA work permits are Mexicans
    Why should african americans care? Always want the moral police but these allies dont do 🤬 when your ass is on fire

    Really? Because I've seen a lot of non-blacks take up the mantle and speak out against the 🤬 that's been happening to black people in this country lately. The chick that basically died for the fight against racist monuments wasn't black. Why is it so wrong to suggest that when given the opportunity, we do the same for others when we something wrong. I'm not saying 🤬 gotta get out and protest. Most of ya'll don't even protest for the black 🤬 . But this nonchalant attitude towards blatant racism just because, for this once, the racism isn't direct at us is kinda 🤬 up.
  • marc123
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  • Mr.LV
    Mr.LV Members Posts: 14,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blackrain wrote: »
    So for the "its got nothing to do with black folks" crowd you really think no black people would be affected by this?

    It's only 1%
  • MarcusGarvey
    MarcusGarvey Members Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    ghostdog56 wrote: »

    Can you show me where immigrants want to be black peoples allies? And let's say we do become their "allies" then who will protect us from them when they get what they need from us considering that they have a home country and we don't? Black people in America have no allies all we have is us but most of you would rather trust others before your own

    It's not about trusting others before trusting our own. Frankly, that's almost a cartoonishly stupid interpretation of what I'm saying. Black people have to be for black people. My point is that there will come a time when that is not enough because all of the power black people can amass will be relatively miniscule. I'm not talking about trusting any other group to be our buddies. You think Britain trusted France in WWI. No. They had been enemies for hundreds of years. They just recognized a greater common enemy and allied with each other to take down that threat. It's the same with us now. White supremacy is the major enemy to all people of color and even lower class whites. So wouldn't it make sense to work with whoever was willing to take it down? The only thing you have to trust as that brown people don't like being 🤬 on by white elites anymore than we do. Again, you're missing the point that I'm not talking about doing this to help them. I'm talking about doing this because ultimately having them on our side helps us.
    blackrain wrote: »
    So for the "its got nothing to do with black folks" crowd you really think no black people would be affected by this?

    Vast majority w/ DACA work permits are Mexicans
    Why should african americans care? Always want the moral police but these allies dont do 🤬 when your ass is on fire

    Really? Because I've seen a lot of non-blacks take up the mantle and speak out against the 🤬 that's been happening to black people in this country lately. The chick that basically died for the fight against racist monuments wasn't black. Why is it so wrong to suggest that when given the opportunity, we do the same for others when we something wrong. I'm not saying 🤬 gotta get out and protest. Most of ya'll don't even protest for the black 🤬 . But this nonchalant attitude towards blatant racism just because, for this once, the racism isn't direct at us is kinda 🤬 up.

    Bruh keep it concise

    Are there allies in the struggle for equality? Yes - Im an ally of african americans - I'm Jamaican born.
    Im giving my perspective - black americans are in a world of hurt and have more pressing concerns than work permits for 800,000 people. I think people oversell the "brown-black" alliance.

    African americans need to prioritize themselves and their communities because at the median, there hasnt been economic progress since King & X died - its proportionately the same
  • MarcusGarvey
    MarcusGarvey Members Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2017
    Funny people wanna go to war for DACA but Article 32 of their constitution explicitly says preference will be given to Mexicans

    But yall dont hear me though

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  • dallas' 4 eva
    dallas' 4 eva Dallas Cowboys 2016 NFC EAST CHAMPS Members Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Y'all give way too much of a 🤬 about them Mexicans, they don't give a damn about you bruh stop fighting battles for people who wouldn't 🤬 on you if you were on fire.
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