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  • Re: Flex & Wack have joined together in conspiracy to assassinate the character Of not only Mr. Shakur,

    i don't see a problem speaking on a dead person....so y'all can't chill with the moral shit. These niggas didn't like each other before they died so why he gotta be cool about the shit after the fact?

    Especially when Pac got himself tf outta here acting tough. Like i said, Pac was a brilliant mind, prolly even had beautiful soul, but if you gon praise a man, make sure you praise for both his successes and shortcomings. Denying facts is stanism niggas....
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    one of my favorite groups...back when they use to be Charlie Everywhere.


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  • Re: Best Rapper Of The New Millennium Final 4....#1 Kendrick Lamar vs #3 Lupe Fiasco (Lupe in the Final)

    Sion wrote: »
    No it isn't. The entire basis of your argument is built on Lupe's lyricism and you're also downplaying Kendrick's impact on his relative peer group while at the same downplaying his lyricism as well.

    In one verse Kendrick reignited the competitive spirit of "beef" on wax on Control, GKMC is a classic album, there is no other album like TPAB you can name that has had the same theme or cultural impact it did articulated in the way it was. Lupe said on occasion that The Cool and FL were influenced by Illmatic and IWW to which he even said IWW was his favorite album ever.

    You also fail to address the other fallacy, if the best rapper entails all aspects of hip-hop then why is 50 Cent in the semi finals if this is entirely about lyricism ? Kendrick on deep water, song for me, Compton, control I can name a million records but your subjectivity will downplay and deflect by bringing up TDE members and making claims Q, Rock and Soul are "better" lyricists than him when they've even praises Kendrick as being the best out and view him as their standard to beat.

    What rappers has Lupe directly influenced ???? Cuz Logic, Vince Staples, Mac Miller and even Cole gave mad props to Kunta. Kendrick's TPAB also inspired these new rappers to take a jazzier approach to production (The Incredible Story, 4 Your Eyez Only, to name a few). While Cole's lyrical influence isn't Kendrick, you can't deny the similarities in music on his recent album to TPAB and you definitely can't deny Logic, Vince, Mac, Big Sean and others stylistically even (dare I say bite) mimic Kendrick's​ style.

    The contradiction and shying away is you trying to take away impact, albums and all other things to only single out lyricism which is all that Lupe has going for him. I'm not that case 50 Cent and T.I. have no business in the semis as there are far better lyricists than them.

    No one is looking at Kendrick to sell shoes or anything but to the new millennium Kendrick IS the better rapper and double lapped Lupe. And btw Lupe has duds - L@SERS, Drogas Lite are lukewarm, FL2 is lukewarm too. Kendrick even has the stronger discography in terms of acclaim.

    If this only has to boil down to lyricism then no one can be better because subjectivity will surely cloud judgement and there would be no end in sight. You can deflect but the truth can't be denied.

    idk if Im miscommunicating what I'm tryna say but you grossly misquoted me several times in your response man. I'll piece this together....

    Response to intro and paragraph 1:

    If my saying that Lupe is better than Dot bar for bar is downplaying Dot's lyricism then, idk what to tell you. I explicitly express my admiration for Dot and his skills. I simply state, that his rapping is not better than Lupe's. How do I make that assessment? By wagering anyone in the world put Dot's best rhymes against Lupe's. Quite simple I think. To your "control" verse...I only speak about it to certain individuals outside the net....but lemme tell you my friend....the ONLY thing Dot sparked in his verse was the hamster-esque attention of music listeners. If by him saying a list of names of folks he wants to be better than is "reigniting the spirit of beef" then you didn't listen close enough to other shit he's rapped, let alone other shit OTHER people have rapped. No rapper was in an uproar what Dot said, because he didn't say shit. GKMC, I'll give you that all day. As i said earlier, all his works range from solid to near perfect, GKMC is the latter. TPAB....you keep talking about some impact Im assuming black culture and black music that I have yet to see, hear or touch. The album was a really good album, dope concept, all that, but you speak of it as if it jettisoned anything regarding the topics he addressed on the album. You also interpreted what his intent was with the "message" of that album, but we won't get into that. And finally, I will VEHEMENTLY deny that those rappers tried biting his style or whatever you wanna call it. Especially Sean. And now you're saying Kendrick inspired 4 Your Eyez??? My nigga, you buggin. Just straight, plain buggin. Inspired new rappers to the take a jazzier approach to production? That doesn't even make sense, especially since more than half of these cats aint making their own beats....Dot included. But Cole's shit sounded like Cole shit, and has always. But, moving on.

    Response to para. 2:

    There's no fallacy, idc whats goin on the 50/TI thread because from jump, the brackets were fuckin retarded to me. And if anything, bringing up that round is a deflection if I've ever seen one. I still don't even see how you're tying it into this one. On top, I didn't mention TDE members to deflect, in fact, I wasn't even the first to bring them other niggas up, you were. I'll leave that there. You support your claims with statements like "rapper x says they want to better than rapper k, therefore, rapper x can never be better than rapper k if they're calling rapper k the bar." I don't know if you see how in so many ways that shits on your previous argument about Lupe saying he was inspired by another rappers music to make his.


    Response to para 3:

    See response number 1. I will VEHEMENTLY deny all of those claims. And prove it.


    Response to para 4:

    Again, the ONLY thing that should matter in a rapper vs rapper battle is.......drum roll......lyrics. Bars. Lines. Metaphors. Similies. Punchlines. Wordplay. Whatever you wanna call it. All that other shit is other shit. Bringing that up is the deflection my friend.

    Response to para 5 and 6:

    On the contrary, companies are indeed looking for Dot to sell shoes. There's a bunch of examples out there. Also, I notice how you just spoke for an entire millennia of folks.........yet, I'm not being objective, but you can objectively say what Kendrick is to the new millennium? Also, I will not debate albums in this thread. But I will even give you this and say, every one of Dot's albums > Lupe's albums overall. But like i said in a previous thread, albums don't solely represent the rapper. The sum of the parts is what make albums what they are. Don't give Kendrick all that credit because then we're getting back into fandom territory. And lastly....you are completely wrong man. If it is all about lyricism, the battle can be sorted objectively. The same way they're done today, the same way it was done in the 80s.....in a bar for bar showdown. If these cats will never go directly at one another, then the best way to field those type of results is to do like I been saying this entire time......take your best Dot lines, verses, stanzas, etc. Do the same thing for Lupe, then grade. Word for word, or line for line, or bar for bar. This is an easy distinction to make. Not saying it'll be an easy match between these two. They're both giants in their own right. But Lupe is the superior rapper.

    All that, again, with no deflection.....no sidebar. Straight to the topic at hand...."Who is the better rapper"






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  • Re: Best Rapper Of The New Millennium Final 4....#1 Kendrick Lamar vs #3 Lupe Fiasco (Lupe in the Final)

    Sion wrote: »
    @Roster Player #99

    If this tournament is about all of the things that define a rapper then Lupe shouldn't have made it out the pools. Is this about rap ability, impact or all of those things ? Because if it is based on bars 50 Cent shouldn't be beating T.I. and you can vouch I'm a 50 Cent stan and proud of it. Lupe is a great lyricist but he doesn't do well with coherence or constructing good albums. Kendrick Lamar has the most consistent discography I've seen since OutKast and Kanye West. Not only that but Kendrick has made a much larger footprint on culture and rap music than Lupe has.

    Lupe has a cult following because nerds love that he raps for them. But keeping it 100 Drogas Lite wasn't very good and neither was FL2. TY was a good album but was it more impactful than TPAB or GKMC ? No but was it a critically acclaimed piece of work I'm terms of quality ? Sure. At the same time the 2 have released equally as many albums but majority of Kendrick's have hit harder and been better received. Lupe is riding off the glory days of his first 2 albums and he's fallen off, not lyrically but in terms of status Lupe is not gonna be a first round draft pick compared to other names. The fact that Lupe goes out of his way to get Kendrick's attention when Kendrick came years after him speaks volumes as to how he sees himself because if not for Lupe being so emotional he'd be what Kendrick is to mainstream.

    So let's bring it back, is this about All the things that define a rapper or just lyrics ? Because Lupe isn't even the top Don in his city he'd proudly confess that distinction goes to Kanye with all due respect. Kendrick on the other hand got knighted, he birthed Logic, Big Sean (I'm sorry Sean but you can't say you wasn't influenced), Mac Miller, Tyler The Creator and even more. Kendrick shook up the fame with Control and killed the super friends shit reminding niggas it was a competition and it was verse of the year. Lupe has never had that type of effect or impact. Again that's not to take from him because he's a lyrical Messiah but he's not a good rapper in the context of comparing all the things that embody rap. He's a phenomenal MC, the same way Master P is a phenomenal businessman but not so much a lyricist. Kendrick on the other hand has mastered putting the medicine in the candy, being outspoken and consistently putting out quality music every time. You can't even name a bad Kendrick album. Not only that he's unapologetically black and puts it in a rap. He doesn't code or sugar coat ignore require you to have some deep intellect to be apart of his conversation the way Lupe implies sometimes. Even on a lyrical level, Kendrick is one of the best lyricists in rap and will get even better with time so I ask you again fam is this about lyricism ? Or EVERYTHING THAT EMBODIES WHAT A RAPPER IS ?? Because if this about lyrics 50 Cent shouldn't have made it this far, that tells me that people are subconsciously counting it but out of subjectivity, are voting for who they like better.

    Kendrick Lamar IS better than Lupe in this context and it is blatantly obvious. Shit even Kendrick's crew is nasty AF on the mic. Of the two both died today Kendrick would be hailed on the same tier as Biggie and Pac, Punisher and them. Lupe you know dayum well like I know they'll respect him and give him a statue but he's not going to be called top 5 DOA of he dies tomorrow. But like I said why bother debating this ? It's very obvious the better artist is Kendrick but you gotta let niggas have their favourites. You mean to tell me in your heart and soul if you had to choose between the two... Lupe is the BEST rapper of the new millennium of rappers ?????? Objectively I don't think he is and for the reasons I listed. You can't really say anything bad about Kendrick Lamar unless you have a personal dislike for dude for whatever reason or prejudices towards others and there's nothing wrong with that but it's not the objective truth between who is better between the two.

    I like it, I can dig it, I hear you. But I have to be clear on is: What is this impact you speak that Dot has made? He didn't change anything to my knowledge, he just existed where no one like him existed. Second, idk what you believe are the things that define a rapper because to my knowledge, rapping or defining rapper or rap is the easiest part......can the nigga rap or not. Nothing to do with how many sneaker endorsements, nothing to do with who met Farrakhan first, none of that shit.

    I think its almost hilarious that for the same reason one should laud a rapper, niggas slight Lupe for. High-brow lyrics that people tend to feel they need a high IQ to digest. Its insane. Its like niggas complaining about they steak being cooked too perfectly.

    To another one of your points...............catalogue......bruh, the nigga got three albums (not including section 80 but including the Untitled Unmastered shit). Tf catalogue is y'all really listening too? His demos? But i'll digress there. My thing is, y'all make a lot of good points, but never tend to elaborate. For example, you'll say that something is wack, but not say how. @Sion @JonnyRoccIT tell me, HOW. HOW did Dot birth Sean, Tyler and Mac...who was out before him? HOW did TPAB or GKMC impact the rap game? HOW does Lupe's presumed "status" impact who he is amongst niggas that rap? HOW did Dot out rap Jay on Kill My Vibe?

    Again, I like Dot, have nothing bad to say about him. All of his efforts range from solid to close to perfect for me. But this aint the "who can make a better concept album" tournament. This aint the "who is more popular AND can rap" tournament.

    And i'll keep it funky, Dot aint even the best rapper in his crew @Sion
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  • Re: New Kendrick Lamar - The Heart Part 4 (throws shots at Drake)

    i'll keep it funky, I got mad home team bias, but even objectively, I can say Sean and Dot are neck and neck when I put their raps side by side. You can like albums however much you want, because bodies of work speak towards more than just the rapper, but everyone involved. Is Sean relatable to me? Of course. Is Dot? Yea. I believe both them niggas are genuine and aint got a card you nobody can pull.

    Drake tho. Any nigga in here a fan of what he doin is sus and prolly got identity issues like that nigga. Good rapper or not.

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